*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

Question on K10Stat.

How are you guys "activating" the speed on the CPU? If I use the system tray icon and set "Enable Clock Control", then choose a P-state, should the CPU speed assume that immediately? My CPU (3530MX) stays at 800MHz, and ramps up to that speed on load, and will fluctuate to something in between on occasion too. I thought it was supposed to just lock the CPU at that speed? I have the "boost" checkbox deselected.

Only way I can get it to work is if I set my power profile to Min/Max CPU at 100%. Sometimes I even have to select, then deselect the "boost" button and click "apply" before it will set the clock speed.

 

The A8 has a faster iGPU, and the 1920x1080 display is the most significant upgrade it's not recommended to skip.

 

When you did your fresh install where did you find the SM bus driver? I Dowloaded the drivers for the usb3 from hp, but I could not find the others.

The driver section of their site is absolutely awful btw.

 

Its in your swsetup file that hopefully you saved before you did your clean install. If you didn't you might have to restore to factory then copy the swsetup file and start your clean install again. And yeah the drivers page is not very helpful.

 

All you need is the video drivers in the SWSetup folder. It contains all the drivers you need for motherboard and USB.

 

Its well documented that crossfire (dual graphics) on these Llano setups either works great (for some applications), non-functioning or in some cases it actually degrades performance ... dont forget, you are x-firing two asynchronous (in terms of speed, shaders etc) cards - this is new tech, so there will be some needed work done before most major bugs are sorted out.

For now I would suggest leaving Crossfire off (except maybe for the few games that benefit).. the discreet on this laptop is more then enough IMO

 

when you hit apply, it applies the settings immediately.. If you want to 'lock' a p-state, then you have to click all 4 of the speed buttons (where the speed is in MHz) of the speed you want (notice the auto buttons at the bottom will turn off)

take a screenshot of your K10stat window and post it here...

 

That's what he's saying. Turning off crossfire doesn't actually turn off crossfire.

 

How far do you guys think these things can go? I dont want to push it too far.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'd say that since it appears to be the same silicon as the desktop apu's, just a much lower TDP envelope, that anything short of their speeds is doable.

If you want to go for the moon, you might want get or borrow someone's Killowatt meter or something similar so you don't blow your powersupply and ruin the board. I know supposedly the chip is supposed to self throttle before that happens, but I'm a "best laid plans of mice and men' kindof guy and just because something was designed that way, is not the same as saying its actually going to do it in a timely fashion.

Oh, and I too am becoming more enamored of this thing the more time I spend on it. Construction is very very good, I really like where they put the metal, and the speakers can get LOUD!! oh, one other thing, no more needing a headset to skype or teamspeak or whatever. Try it, you won't believe it. Those stereo mics and speakers make it sound like whomever you're talking to is sitting right in front of you. FAR better than my six hundred cell phone!!. AMAZING, no feedback, no cutting off...I've owned maybe 20 plus laptops, most of em high end including my latest Envy15 and this 700.00 box TRASHES em. Most of my gaming lappies feel like they're going to burn your hand, this one felt cool to the touch. And I can tell the bang for buck graphic performance is in there just waiting for the drivers to let us pull it out. You see glimpses of it in first one app then another.
When we get these all sorted out, going to be awhile before something better comes along to tempt us away LOL.

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had I copied those off before installing my SSD that would not be a problem....

however I neglected to do that, and I don't have an external enclosure to put the old drive in.

 

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Yeah this is by far the best laptop I have owned. Soo much bang for the buck. And the more I think about it, the more I think I can push it to 2.2ghz. According to HW monitor it was using 68.25w when gaming, and around 15 just browsing. I think HWmonitor said the max was 76w, but the power supply is rated at 120w IIRC. Any idea which is the correct load cap these boards can handle?

 

Mine tells me good to go to 82.5w. we'd have to go to HP to find out how much power the box is safe to provide. Only takes one component in the chain to smoke the board so I'd b very careful. Still, you're right, that is a 120w brick down there LOL. come to think of it, there should be a sticker on or in this thing somewhere laying out the power requirements.

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Did you get Windows updated yet? You try that and see if that will find it. Or if you didn't format the old hard drive swap them back and save the file. I do believe someone else on here tried to do a restore from the discs from HP to an SSD and it wouldn't work. Someone else on here might have a better idea.

 

Yeah, ill see if I can run 2.2ghz on the voltage I have set in k10stat, or maybe undervolt it at 2ghz. Ill try keeping it at or under 70w, I definitely dont wanna fry anything. I should be content at 2ghz, but what fun would that be?? LOL

 

At the stock voltage for my A8-3530mx P0, 1.075, I can run at 2.4GHz. Just fyi.

 

Thanks for the heads up, abaddon. That is the voltage I am currently running at 2ghz. Ill probably up it to 2.2ghz or drop the voltage a hair. Also, did you OC the B0 state? If so, how far did you get at the stock 1.3v?

 

I just kept the boost state at 2.6GHz, but lowered the voltage to 1.15V, which I tested at 2.6GHz on P0. At 1.3V I wouldn't be surprised if the boost state can be set to 3GHz. It doesn't matter all that much, though, as it rarely boosts anyway and it doesn't sustain it very long even with only 1 core active.

 

Awesome, thank you! Now, architectually the A8-3500 and 3530mx are the same except the 3530 is just clocked higher, correct?

 

Try here: AMD High-Definition Graphics Driver HP Pavilion dv6z-6100 CTO Entertainment Notebook PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

Yeah, I was running at 2.6GHz at 1.15V, but temps seem to go up quickly after 2.4GHz. With HP Coolsense active (still not sure what that does), I am running 77-80C at 2.4GHz. With 2.6GHz 84C, 2.8GHz 89C, 3.0GHz 95C I can run 1.3GHz at 1.2V though, so there's headroom if temperatures weren't such an issue. More I play with this laptop the more I think I'm going to keep it over the Sager NP8130, mainly on price, but also on battery life. It's proving to be a decent performer and I have hope for even better performance with improved drivers with crossfire.

 

The 3500M has a 35W TDP and only allows DDR3 speeds up to 1333Mhz - while the MX has a 45W and allows up to 1600Mhz... besides that and the frequencies, architecturally they are the same.

I would personally recommend the 3530MX, 3510MX or A6-3410MX because of these (as they can all safely reach 3530MX freq's with K10STAT)...


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All of the APUs can probably overclock to the same speed, though the voltage needed might differ a little. Knowing this the A8-3510mx is probably the best buy. The A6-3410mx might be better, if AMD's graphics naming scheme is any indication, if you are getting the 6750m with it. According to AMD the A6 and A8 APUs both combine with the 6750m to make the 6755g2 and if the A8's aren't going to make a performance difference, by AMD's naming, then the A6-3410mx is the better buy. The reason the MX ones are better is because they support, supposedly, 1600 RAM which reviews have shown offer a nice increase over 1333 for the IGP.

 

Guys, do we have a consensus on the best video driver for the moment?

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For overclocking 11.6 only works, if it is up to performance: A score of 10500 in 3Dmark06. (with CPU and GPU-OC)

 

So you can overclock with K10stat? AMD stopped blocking laptop CPU's?

I have the M520 Caspian and can't. When i put over the 2300mhz default's to 2200mhz and the voltage return to default too.

 

Hey Guys,

Could someone please point me to the official K10 Stat download page? I'm doing some google searching and all the websites looks somewhat sketchy? Thanks a lot.

 

Here you have K10stat

 

Thanks 7.
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7Words and anyone else that have installed 11.6, are there any "gotchas" to look out for in the install? anything special involved? and what about the 11.6 "hotfix" I see references too.

thanx in advance

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I am hoping the A6-3410mx is the better buy. I know the apu graphics is a little weaker but paired with the 6750m it prolly will not be noticable. Especially if the 6750 can be oc to the 6770 speed. I am hoping the reduced graphics power of the apu will allow more cpu overclocking headroom than the a8 models. Once I get mine I will have to test it out and post some benchmarks.

 

my little a6 can do 2.1 easy.

 

To be honest, I have seen little real world benefit from overclocking the GPU. From my opinion, part of it is due to coolsense. It's great because it does keep your machine < 80C for the most part, but I think part of that is downclocking the CPU and GPU a bit to maintain temperatures. If I turn off coolsense, temps easily reach 95-96C, but performance is better, only marginally as measured by FPS from Bad Company 2, maybe 2-3 FPS on average. IMHO, not worth overclocking and running such high temperatures.

 

Has anyone tried using rivatuner to overclock the discrete cards?

 

A few pages back: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...6-now-shipping-amd-llano-129.html#post7759785

 

well, wingnut, I have seen a wee bit of difference

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now where's those 't' guys with the 6770's ......
heheheheh

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Wow. Even at 2.8GHz and 1.2V I can't get my temps that high, in an 80F room.

 

Yeah wing, during that 3dmark06 run my temps topped at about 68C.

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I tried K10Stat on my Athlon II M320 laptop and its locked at a max of 2000Mhz, you can't go any higher (unless you can figure out how to up multi). If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure PhII/AthII parts are all locked.

The Llano mobile platform, on the other hand, is unlocked to a max of 4000Mhz

 

I've been exploring on the other end of the power spectrum with undervolting the A6-3400M. I used K10stat and the AMD Engine Vision Control Center to restrict the processor to each individual P-state as its max and min. Then, I did an Intel Burn Test to check for stability. As you'll see, the results are nothing short of staggering:

B0: 2300Mhz 1.3375V ---> 1.0375V
P0: 1400Mhz 1.0750V ---> 0.8125V
P1: 1300Mhz 1.0375V ---> 0.7875V
P2: 1200Mhz 1.0125V ---> 0.7625V
P3: 1100Mhz 0.9875V ---> 0.7500V
P4: 1000Mhz 0.9750V ---> 0.7375V
P5: 900Mhz -> 800Mhz 0.9625V ---> 0.6875V
P6: 800Mhz -> 600Mhz 0.9500V ---> 0.6625V

Coming from a last year's Arrandale Pavilion model that struggled to last a complete 3 hours, the battery life seems legendary. With the stock minimal install, 30% brightness, 78% CPU throttling, and no undervolting or underclocking, I logged ~5.5 hours with just Office and casual web reading. This undervolting should push this well beyond six.

I know it lies, but for comparison's sake, Windows before told be I had about 6.5hrs of battery at 100%. After undervolting, it's telling me 7 hours 52 minutes. That's just with a 6-cell (albeit the high capacity one) battery! After sprinkling my grain of salt, I expect at least 6.5 hours.

 

just got off the phone with HP.. well it looks like ill have to return my Laptop. i asked if they could send me a replacement so that i could use this computer while im waiting to receive the other one but they wouldn't do that for me... the only other way would have me waiting several weeks to get a new one after shipping this one back so im just returning it... i think im going to get a dv6t quad next time there is a 30% coupon going on... this one though is a pretty awesome laptop though besides the stuck and flickering pixels issues i have .

i also have 2 issues i would like to bring up... first in crossfire mode it looks way more choppy but has higher frame rates in games and benchmarks like heaven and 3dmark 11 but when you switch it off it get twice as smooth but the frame rate drops. im going to guess this is maybe micro stuttering.. does anyone else experience this.. what the heck is the use of higher frame rates when it just looks like junk? maybe im missing something?

the second issue i had is that whether it be exiting from a game or a benchmark for some reason it shuts my computer off or puts it in some type of sleep mode... im not sure whats going on but it only happens when i exit the program.... though 3dmark 11 does it some time when switching between tests.. maybe its some kinda display issue? idk

what are your thoughts

 

What are you running? It really depends on the load.

 

Ok, now what's going on here? Didn't anyone even LOOK at the 3dmark06 screen caps i put up? er uh, unless it went whoooooosh right by everyone...look at the histogram of all the 6750 guys scores......you see em all around 7, 8, up to 9k? Then you see that one score waaaaaaay the hell over to the right? All by its lonesome? the 11,100 plus one? ...

Geez, thought I'd at least get a 'gee that's nice seer' ....

rflmao. AND, its Directx9 3dmark06. scroll down and look at the frame rate on the flying boat scene....we're talking a pretty big 'whoop der it ISSS'
here. LOL.

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3DMark06 means nothing though. Heck, Vantage scores higher than GTX 460m yet there is a clearly night and day difference between the two in actual games.

With coolsense on or off? With it off, it will always go to 95C no matter what. Maybe my thermal paste job is faulty. I guess I can return it and exchange for another or just do the job myself. Just not sure what it'd take? Although I'd be willing to

3DMark06 doesn't stress my system much either. Again, try running at 2.8GHz with coolsense off and you can sear your hand with the heat coming out of the side of that laptop.

Phenomenal. When I get done toying around, I will be testing each P state as well to lowest voltage. Battery life should be phenomenal with the 9-cell, although over 5 would be more than enough for me!

Make sure your power profile is set to "high performance". I had a similar issue with stuttering until I realized my power profile was "balanced" and switching it to "high performance" fixed it.

 

Tell you what Wing why don't you post an 11 grander at a little over 1800mghz, hell its 'easy' right?

hehehehe
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The max temps I have gotten while gaming, which seems to give the max temps, in an 80F room, with CoolSense set to performance mode, Crossfire enabled, and the processor at 2.8GHz and 1.2V are around 87-88C. Lowering the processor to 2.6GHz and 1.15V lowers it to around 80-82C and going to 2.4GHz and 1.075V puts it around 77-79C.

 

Gaming earlier today at 2.2ghz @ 1.075v, the highest temp I saw was 70C. Not too bad!

 

Ok, with coolsense on coolest I can get about 77C, but it will downclock my CPU to 1.4GHz after some gaming time! . With CoolSense at performance mode it runs 87C at 2.4GHz 1.075V. Maybe mine just runs hot, or needs a thermal paste job. I dunno. My ambient room temp is about 78F. I hate to exchange it only to get the same result.

I'm assuming you mean 2800MHz? I'm just saying, I just recorded two 15 minute sessions in BFBC2, same server, 32-man, one at stock GPU speed, and one at overclocked GPU. Avg FPS was identical, 40fps.

 

What games are you playing?

 

Could you guys clarify the switchable graphics issue for me? The fix was for Intel processors, so what about for AMD processors? Will we get a fix? Or has this issue never been a problem for us?

 

The basic problem is different. The dv6z appears to default to the lower performing on die igp instead of to the discreet 6750- the opposite of what we want and what you'd expect. word is that its not what the engineers expected or intended either LOL. At the moment you can tell the driver that if you run program A, you want it to run on the discrete or the integrated card.

Problem is, because of all sorts of other settings, it may or may not do what you ask it to LOL. It will be sorted out in time. Further, the xfire 'dual graphics' thing is kind of hit or miss. Works only on dx11 and 10 at the moment but newer drivers should fix that. It also doesnt always do what you think its going to do But This whole fusion/dualgraphics-xfire thing is the basis of AMD's future so you can bet they'll get it *right*.
and probably pretty quickly LOL.

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Now, Wing...nope it wasn't 2800, it was I think 1808 to be precise. Take a look at the details of the run. THAT's what in my opinion makes the 11180 run a bit impressive. We're talking about essentially 5850-5870 scores on a dx9 graphics bench. Look at the score for the flying boat, 70fps!!!!!

My point is that if you can fight your way thru these drivers there is some serious performance hiding under there. Tonight I was screwing with some Kumbustor runs (you can set for dx9, dx10, dx11 and a bunch of open gl's.
On the ten's and the dx11 runs, i'm starting to see the 6750 running at 90 percent plus with the igp starting to really pile on.

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