*HP dv6z AMD Llano (6XXX series) Owners Lounge*

That stinks. I think that ans SC2 would be the best games to test with. And the 6620G isn't that crappy, for the record. Its faster than the GT335M in my m11x, and thats discrete.

 

I'm gonna have to disagree with that. The majority of games utilize the GPU much more than the CPU and the CPU utilization is relatively small. Even in CPU-intensive games, the 2630qm will provide a dozen or so FPS over the A8-3530MX, at most. Just check out those numbers for BC2 with similar graphics cards from Notebookcheck,

AMD N930/5650M - 44FPS medium, 29.6 high

i5-2410/GT525M - 37.7 medium, 27.4 high

i7-2630qm/GT525M - 40 medium, 29 high

Given the same graphics card, the 2610qm is not going to make a big difference over the A8-3530MX in the vast majority of games but the 6620G is as powerful as a 5650M. Even if hybrid crossfire only adds 50% of the performance of the IGP, the stock 6755G2 will still beat the stock 6770M by about 10%. With overclocking and better driver support, it could increase to 30%. Even assuming the the hybrid crossfire doesn't get close to that, it would only need to add like 15% to the 6750 to reach the 6770.

 

Abbadon is 100% correct. Even though the A8's are slower than SB, and no one can argue wit that, most games are not going to be CPU bottlenecked. A faster GPU will help in almost all games, especially considering the 6620G and 6750M are not ridiculously powerful. Will an A8 bottleneck Xfire 6970's? Most likely. But these GPU's? No.

Xx, mind trying one last driver release? Their desktop modded drivers to work on mobile system, and I think they may work very well.

[email protected]

 

In all seriousness, someone going for Xfire 6970's won't even bother to look at Llano in the first place heck they probably don't even have an option but to got Intel and I'm pretty sure that same someone wants the best of everything.

PS. I think Xx is either at school or work. He'll how up later on today hopefully.

 

Very true, but you see my point. At this GPU level, and newer games that utilize 4 threads, your going to be GPU limited. We don't have benches on known CPU bound games yet, so this is speculation.

 

Why not compare fps from laptops with the same graphics card? The 5650 is superior to the GT525, clearly it would get more fps.

As what you posted shows, even using SB i7 over SB i5 improves performance in BC2. I would imagine that the difference would be even bigger for an SB i5 vs a llano A8.

But you're right, most games will not be bottlenecked by the CPU.

Keep in mind the performance will vary between games, so it will not always be a flat x% increase or decrease in power over the 6770m. It will perform better in some games and still be worse in others. I wouldn't say the 6755G2 is outright superior to the 6770m, even with improved drivers.

 

Here's my chart:

Intel + AMD/NVIDIA for people who have money to spare and want the best of everything.

AMD + APU for those who are students, on tight budget or for average Joe who wants a good all around system.

Intel + IGP for those who are students, on tight budget and still want to front like they have a rich mans laptop.

NVIDIA, well NVIDIA has PS3's...?

Edit:

@ R3d

The HD 5650M is the best compared with a GT 525M.

http://www.notebook4game.com/web/49610/preview-lenovo-ideapad-g770/4/

 

That is the driver I used last night that allowed for overclocking but wouldn't run anything IE: 3dmark vantage.

I found a demo of SC2 for anyone that's interested and it's downloading now. I'll report back on performance once I get a grip on how to play the game

 

The 5650M and GT525M are the closest I could find using Danube CPUs. And, the 5650M really isn't superior, they are pretty much equal with the 5650M winning in some cases and the GT525M in others.

That is why I gave the N930, which should actually be a little slower than the A8-3530MX even with no turbo.

But you're right, most games will not be bottlenecked by the CPU.

Agreed to some extent. But, with improved drivers, I can't imagine it being worse. It could range anywhere from the same to 25% better.

 

@ xxkinetikxx

Have you tried running the OC with MSI Kombuster?

 

I reverted back to drivers that worked but did not allow overclock as I'm looking to further test the machine at this point.

 

Cool.

I guess you planning on re-installing Windows and finding the latest drivers for all the devices?

I won't bother you any more requests, thanks for everything you've done here.

 

No one ever claimed a game would be CPU bottlenecked. Just like you admitted, it makes can make a difference of up to 10 FPS. But for mobile cards 10 FPS can mean quite a bit...

I hope you are right but judging from AMD and pretty much any technological company's history, stuff like a drive rewrite doesn't provide the kind of performance boosts you are looking for.

If you are right, and llano could make a 6750m into a GTX 460m (which is what a 30-40% boost is) then this would be a technological breakthrough in mobile computing. And I just don't see it... if AMD really had that in Llano there's no way they would sell it (the 6755g2) for what they are selling it for. You know companies - they want to charge as much $ as they can.

 

No reason to reinstall windows, just wanted stable drivers for the video card.

You're welcome, I enjoy helping out!

 

Can you do these tests with crossfire:

3dmark11
3dmark06
PCMark vantage
Unigine Heaven 2.1

I would really appreciate it! v

 

But I never spoke on behalf for 'jiggawhat'.

 

More people use their CPU's to the fullest than all the shaders in their GPU's to the fullest, so Intel + IGP combo would be good for the mainstream majority who'll never play a game more demanding than The Sims while their computer will be faster at everything else they do.

 

Haha, I never said Intel i3/i5/i7 I just said Intel cause they still make Pentiums and coming out with Celeron this generation.

These people are either AMD haters or just want to front with the Intel logo on their laptop.

 

Ya know what I think I'm going to buy this thing

The pricing is very good and you don't sacrifice much compared to the dv6t.

I'm hoping that it at least gets up on par with the 6770m

 

Lol those are some severely crippled CPU's without turbo boost, HT, etc. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. In fact, I wouldn't buy any Intel CPU below an i5 for myself

 

All this talk of benchmarks and I don't remember if anyone has asked one of the more important questions. How is the battery life?

 

I'm getting ready to head home and I plan on running SC2 demo on battery I'll update with my findings.

When I have time again I'll run a full charge to dead battery test just browsing the internet/email/youtube.

 

Can we get a SC2 benchmark too?

On max settings and resolution w/ crossfire?

 

Hi Kinetic, it would be great if you could test out SC2 with the same settings as the screen shot in
http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/588743-just-got-cooler-master-u2.html

so we can have a like for like comparison. Also, please be sure to have HP Cool sense on performance optimized mode, well coolest mode disables turbo boost on intel not sure how that figures in with the AMD processor.

Thanks again. Much appreciated sir.

 

Wondering when the DV7Z Llano's will be available off HP website?

 

Played a skirmish in SC2. Everything set to ultra at max res (1366) played fine but I know the real work comes from big games... This will have to do for now.

The temps were logged with HWmonitor into .CSV format and the FPS was recorded using Fraps.

FPS
fps.csv

Temps
temps.CSV

Sreenshot
SC2 2011-06-27 18-15-16-33.jpg

It did get hotter than it ever has, but it was sitting on my lap so think of this as a real world test

 

Apparently I uninstalled coolsense when I went crazy removing all of the bloatware on this thing. I'll try to find it on HP's website check temps again with it.

 

Played a quick match and the temps were the same with coolsense set to performance optimized mode. No impact on FPS either.

 

Run some benchmarks with hybrid crossfire enabled, would be interesting how that would turn out.

 

Going back to bulletstorm. I wasn't running crossfire first time around. With the res at 1366x768 and everything at medium I was getting between 30-40 fps

 

Everything I've done is with crossfire on... It's either on or no GPU at this point.

 

So the minimum is 21, the maximum is 41 and the mean is 34. I suspect it will become a bit slow in scenarios with a lot of stuff on the screen at once.

That's not bad. The CPU tops out at about 74C and the GPU at 78C.

 

Um not a request but more of a suggestion, try putting the shadows in Bullet Storm to low. My bro runs everything on medium except for shadows on his HD 4770 (desktop 1400x900).

 

I would imagine things would slow down in a big game as well. But with all the settings maxed it's pretty good imo.

 

I meant that run stuff like 3dmark vantage or 3G mark 11, for comparison with other GPUs.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/588705-dv6-now-shipping-amd-llano-9.html#post7641438

 

Anyone know the SC2 numbers for the dv6t offhand? Search hasn't worked for weeks and I don't want to look through the whole thread

 

I have no idea but SC2 is a CPU game and as such the dv6t has a 95% chance of beating the dv6z by a large margin

 

According to notebookcheck, 45-55 fps on high.

AMD Radeon HD 6770M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Kinetik can you play a bit on high so we can get a comparison? Thanks.

edit: I don't think SC2 has a built in demo, so I'm curious as to how the numbers were attained.

 

I went here installed the demo and played a skirmish against the CPU.

I'll play some on high later tonight for comparison.

 

Yeah I meant benchmark, oops.

I was thinking that the fps wouldn't exactly be comparable because of the variance of units and players in each game.

 

Hmmm I wonder how notebookcheck get their FPS. I used fraps?

 

Sorry, must have missed that, had just skimmed through the thread and did not find any benchmarks so i made the request.
Hmm that is extremely disappointing, the result is on par with any other machine running the 6750m, know that hybrid crossfire is not working properly yet but still expected a small gain atleast.

 

The performance gains are there, they just need to be realized via decent drivers

 

Yeah but that means the current drivers are not good thus AMD , I at least expected some sort of gain with current drivers.

 

DX11 games are currently showing some gains but hybrid graphics like this is a brand new technology, the first drivers aren't going to be perfect.

 

notebookcheck's benchmarks are fairly messed up tbh, like half of them aren't even accurate

I would check 3dmark's web site for accurate benchmarks - you can match up a CPU and GPU and get 3dmark11, vantage, 06 scores.

 

@ xxkinetikxx

Can you check what Wireless Card comes with the laptop Broadcom, Atheros, or Intel?

Control Panel > Device Manager > Network Adapters.

While you're there can you also kindly let me know the Gigabit Network Card.

Thanks,

Edit: Can the HD 6620G shared ram size be changed via BIOS eg: 256mb, 512mb, 1gb...?

 

btw, that data collection dealie is still open to anyone with the laptop

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...erstand-fix-dynamic-graphics-61xx-series.html

 

I'm choosing between AMD Llano dv6-6135dx and Intel dv6-6170us. With all the graphics switching issues of the 6770m and Intel HD, is the AMD Llano worth buying over the graphics switching issue?