*HP dv8 Owners Lounge*

Well my DV8 that is only a couple of weeks old came with the "Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 AGN." I believe those are designed to attach to the two antennas the DV8 has.

If you want to find them on EBAY, simply go to Ebay's site and do a search for it using the quoted words above. That should bring up many auctions and just pick one that has a good price and is being sold by a seller with lots of great feedback and little or no negative feedback.

 

I guess I am interested as well, Peter. I got my Dv8t back in Dec. '09 and it has an Intel Wi-Fi Link 5100 AGN. It seems to work quite well but I'm now curious what's been improved in the newer versions?

 

I know that cards come in differnt form factors. Same card, different factors. I do know how to use ebay, duh. My question was a little more complex than what it was taken as. Can you please post your model number for the wifi 6200?

 

I think the Intel model code is 622ANHMW.

I'd welcome any other descriptive info on your card that you can find, Peter.

I've searched online at Ebay and found MANY variations on the "Advanced-N 6200 AGN"

 

Everest Ultimate and Device Manager don't report any other information about the wireless network adapter aside from:

Field Value
Device Properties
Device Description Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 AGN
Bus Type PCI Express 1.0 x1
Bus / Device / Function 2 / 0 / 0
Device ID 8086-4239
Subsystem ID 8086-1311
Device Class 0280 (Network Controller)
Revision 35
Fast Back-to-Back Transactions Not Supported

Device Features
66 MHz Operation Not Supported
Bus Mastering Enabled

I don't know anything special about it, except to say it seems to perform better than the Intel wireless adapter in my T61p which is about 2.5 years old (forget the model) and got poor reception and dropped network connections more frequently than I liked.

In contrast, this 6200 seems very stable and gets very strong reception.

HP must list part numbers for these things. http://www.partsurfer.hp.com/

http://h20141.www2.hp.com/Hpparts/Default.aspx?mscssid=F8FF6D1CDE0F462EA458F2156C0E8648

 

Can you read anything from the back of the card itself?

 

I called HP shopping today and they won't even sell solitary Hardrives...regardless of type.

Sounds like if I buy another drive.. it will have trim support anyway..... something HP doesn't have.

 

Did you try the HP Parts Store using the HP Part Number? I looked up the Samsung SSD in the parts documentation and ordered it that way. Hope this helps.

 

thanks for the idea, but I expect the reason he didn't steer me that way was I was inquiring about the possibility of a faster drive they may have in stock... I know.. a dumb question to ask.

I think a drive with trim is the way to go since it will keep the drive fresh.

 

I wouldn't pass judgment on what you asked, Alan. You never know what you may learn by asking till you ask.

I think that may be a good way to go if you can't wait (indefinitely) for HP to offer the TRIM upgrade for the Samsung SSD. I guess you can get the Intel 80Gb that I posted a question to FamilyGuy about earlier as it is clearly TRIM supported and much faster than our TRIM-less Samsungs. I checked online and they're readily available for about $205 plus shipping.

 

Wow!.... It kinda takes away lots of the advantage for buying a larger drive if its supported with trim.... "if I understand trim properly".

I don't need a large drive as my primary for space sake.. but larger non trim drives have more drive to "wear out" to help with longevity... but trim seems to remove that need for a larger drive?

Is that the way you see it?

 

well, i bought this
Intel half Advanced-N 6200 pci-e wireless card 622ANHMW - eBay (item 140407797515 end time Jun-12-10 22:31:33 PDT)

i guess we'll find out in 10-20 days

 

I don't know how much of your current SSD is being used. I have too much "stuff" on my SSD to be able to manage with an 80Gb SSD (probably less than 70Gb after NTFS formatting) but perhaps you can. I could live with 160Gb SSD but not an 80Gb because I need space more than speed.

The TRIM feature allows sustained performance over the SSD's life but a larger drive may have a longer life.... I guess everything's a tradeoff.

Here's how I see it: at least, if you can live with 80Gb for a few months, you can update the 256Gb when HP makes the firmware upgrade available and replace the 80Gb with it after the upgrade. Best of both worlds!

 

My only concern would be that the seller didn't list it as compatible with HP or IBM laptops... other vendors who list theirs as compatible with Dell laptops specifically exclude theirs from being compatible with IBM and HP ... hope you luck out!

I'm still hoping that Peter (pae77) will open the back of his laptop and provide us all info on the label of his Advanced-N 6200 AGN card.

 

Its the best answer I've read. Now if you could, let us know what utility software you use to monitor the CPU and GPU temps.
This is my first HP DV8T Quad and it made a long trip from Shanghai, stop over in Anchorage, then Oakland and finally Honolulu May 13, 2010. I've used Dell's in the past. Hope to check out other HP laptops.

 

Still something I"m missing about Trim, or at least the reason Family Guys drive scores so high..... Unless Family Guys drive is just inherently fast, I"m not inclined to think the high score of 7.7 is due to trim.
While his processor is a tad stronger than mine, its the same as Phil's which also had a much lower score.. "I think 7.1 or so?"

Trim keeps the drive in a "new" state.
My drive per se has never been any faster than it is now....
Meaning either the intel drive is inherently faster "and" has trim or trim also does something for speed besides keeping the drive fresh?

Anyone know any clues about that?

 

Fair question and one I can't answer. Here's my 2 cents worth: I have figured that TRIM would greatly improve performance (better than new on a non-TRIM drive like you and I have) because the Windows Performance benchmark includes writing (which TRIM addresses).

I guess we won't know for sure until you or I have a TRIM-supported drive to compare.

P.S. The people I told you about yesterday on the phone report Crystal Mark scores of Sequential write 220/ Sequential read 182.6 with their TRIM-enabled 256Gb Samsung SSD - how that compare to yours without TRIM? The write score struck me as smokin' fast ... mine is only 136! Think that difference lowers my Windows Performance scores!?

 

I use SpeedFan and CoreTemp. Google them to locate download sites.

 

Wow!.. no kiddin!.... Seems trim will be a feature all drives have "SSD" making everything else archaic. The ability to keep the drive in a non aged state is a powerful breakthrough everyone will seek after.

It stands to reason that any technology that reduces wear implies it also reduces time.

Here is the place to download the crystaldisk benchmarking and disk info tool.

Good discussions about trim here.

After many pages, here is a copy and paste of some of the final comments:

 

Thought you'd be impressed, Alan. I told you TRIM on a 256Gb Samsung SSD would satisfy your cravings for speed... Now, if we could only get HP to release an update package to support TRIM on our Samsung SSDs!

Also, it may explain more than you previously realized why FamilyGuy gets such high Win Perf scores for his SSD which is TRIM enabled.

Not sure why you put this here ...

 

Just getting ready for trim and thought familyguy might need it.... I know you posted it some time back but I doubt anyone would trip upon it that far back.. thought it needed a bump.

 

Hi, I was wondering does turbo boost on the dv8t quad really have any realistic performance gain? or is it all advertising? From my understand turbo boost only occurs when the CPU is "Under" Specs like Power consumption and heat. I would think a laptop with a core i7 in it would become hot quickly. HP is advertising "up to 3.06ghz" from turbo boost. Will this really ever occur or will heat and power consumption prevent the CPU from boosting the clocks that high. Thanks in advance.

Edit: Also is it possible to overclock the GT 230M?

 

My opinion is that its really good for laptops "and" heat.. why run at full blast when you can idle down and in a moment be at full throttle only if needed?

Seems mostly a powersaving and heat preventing feature... both good ideas on laptops especially.

Maybe with the idea in mind also that it could not sustain the heat for the top clocking speeds continuously.... so this way you get it .. the alternative would be to sell us the same processor but be forced to clock it downward to conserve longevity.

 

I guess I figured anyone looking for CrystalDiskMark would just Google for it.

 

I have the 820-QM CPU that runs at 1.73 GHz minimum. When I am using a multithreaded app or multiple apps, it stays down near 1.73 to 2.0 GHz. When I am using only a single threaded app that becomes intense, I've seen the CPU speed increase up to 3.06 GHz to expedite that processing.
TurboBoost is a clever and worthwhile means to pump up the CPU speed when multiple threads or multiple cores are not needed. Very worthwhile!
Hope this answers your question.

 

Hey I tried it out, and quickly uninstalled it. My computer quickly felt like the speed of an early Packard Bell (16mhz). Went back to normal though after the uninstall.

thanks though for the research

 

LOL!.. remember the Comodor 64's?.... you boot it up.. go fix a sandwich, watch a 30 tv program and walla!... its up!

Weird Al Yankovich said it ran off of a Dorito Chip!.... LOL!

That was my first exposure to computers... never was thrilled with no gui to play with... seemed too boring to play with letters and numbers alone....

 

But did you ever play Jumpman? Coolest computer game from 1982 - 1990! I would love to find one that runs under Windows 7, just for the nostalgia of it. Can't mention that machine without recalling the CASSETTE TAPE storage system. Then they introduced an external floppy drive: something like 160KB capacity and about 10KB/min. access time, lol Do you know it's considered a classic, and is in the Smithsonian?

 

Glad it helped. Seems like I know more about cooling pads and the dv8 than I know about anything else of value in this thread! Probably should change my sig line.

I use CPUZ-Hardware Monitor the most.

Also use SIW, a few others.

 

Thanks Phil. High praise indeed coming from you
(BTW, feel free to refer to me as Jeff - it happens to be my name

 

Yes, I know, Jeff. I used LoveLaptops since that would let browsers find an earlier post using 'search'.

 

I don't believe it is compatible, I would cancel it if you can...

For those looking for the 622ANHMW:

HP Part # = 572509-001 It is $57.00 from HP

And an ebay link would be: HP 802.11 A/G/N WLAN HF MINICARD 572509-001 - eBay (item 370379582789 end time Jun-10-10 11:59:18 PDT)

Or just google the part #...

 

Here are all of the part #'s.

Item Description Spare part number
(1) Hard drive (includes left and right brackets, Mylar sleeve, connector, and 4 isolators):
500-GB, 7200-rpm 577607-001
500-GB, 5400-rpm 501911-001
320-GB, 7200-rpm 507553-001
320-GB, 5400-rpm 503485-001
250-GB, 7200-rpm 507552-001
250-GB, 5400-rpm 503484-001


(2) Optical drive (includes optical drive bezel and bracket):
Blu-ray ROM with LightScribe DVD±RW SuperMulti DL Drive 503488-001
Blu-ray ROM DVD±RW SuperMulti DL Drive 503487-001


(3) Solid-state drive (includes left and right brackets, Mylar sleeve, connector, and 4 isolators):
256-GB 577609-001
128-GB 577608-001

Enter the part # here:
HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts

An even easier way is to navigate to:
HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts

Keyword search 'drive'.... Gives you everything you can order through HP as well as the part #'s

 

Fairly good breakdown:

http://download.intel.com/network/connectivity/products/prodbrf/323016.pdf

 

Did you reboot after you installed it?

Have you experienced it lately?

 

Over 300 + pages? Hope you guys don't expect me to navigate through that without proper search functions!

Assuming that, I also assume another has asked this question before, but I cant seem to find it (got discouraged after 10 pgs):

Can I reverse the display of the 1080p screen so I can play my PS3 or Xbox360 via HDMI? Wanna know if this is possible before I pick it up.

 

Nope, output only...same for the VGA output.

You can get a capture card or tv tuner with break-out cables, but it won't be in HD.

 

Thanks - I have compared it to a corresponding breakdown for the 5100 AGN and I could find very little that has changed. Mostly, it seems to include the final "802.11n" compliant hardware.

Is anyone aware of any other significant enhancements over the earlier 5100 AGN? I would appreciate the clarification.

 

Really good information for those who might want to upgrade their Dv8t Wi-Fi Link hardware! Thanks!!

 

Hi Jeff.. I"m terrible at names.. so anything the sig would help for sure!

This thread has taken on a life of its own.. pretty cool how everything and anything related to getting these machines tweaked is here..... kind a like a speedshop!

 

IMO the most significant difference is speed and signal strength (especially on an 'N' network now that it has the finalized standard).

Centrino Advanced-N 6200:
2x2 spatial streams wireless card
Theoretical max connection speed up to 300Mbps upstream and downstream

WiFi Link 5100:
Only capable of 1x2 spatial streams
Theoretical max connection speed up to 150Mbps upstream, but is capable of up to 300Mbps downstream.

If you don't know what a spatial stream or 'MIMO' is then this is a good read on the subject:
Wireless Networking — What is Multiple-Input/Multiple-Output (MIMO)?

(Just a generality, not directed towards you Phil).
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I can see that as a significant benefit that I overlooked in my quick comparative perusal, particularly as "N" proliferates. I'm sold and just placed an order for the Advanced-N 6200 this afternoon.

 

Alan, it is certainly a great place to "shake out" any issues in our machines and get them working as they should (or how we wish they would!). And one doesn't have to read every one of the 300+ pages of posts so far. Generally, the issues are raised chronologically - new issues are current ones arising from new Dv8t hardwares or new drivers. Reading the last week or two will get you pretty much up-to-date in rather short order.

 

Alan, I know what you mean. I feel like I got the stock Mustang GT with all OEM parts in use, and everyone else is reprogramming engine controls, installing special exhaust systems, putting in supercharges, lol! Thank goodness I have my cooling pad "expertise" lol! In the speedshop metaphor, it's like I know a great deal about car wax!

BTW, your "tutorials" are fantastic! Finally got my Firefox issue resolved. Next project: SSD! With all the chatter, it's sounding incredibly complicated. Tell me, can you buy the right product (say Intel, G2) and install it and move files between HD and SSD in a manageable number of steps and without having to know more than I do about RAID or TRIM? This can be a short answer - I'll hit you up for the step-by-step when I get it

Cheers, Jeff

 

Jeff, it seems that you can buy an Intel SSD and use a cloning program (DriveImage or Ghost) to duplicate your current primary disk onto the SSD. The problem, IMO, is finding an SSD that's big enough to hold all of it. The Samsung PM800 (sold by HP in its DV7 and DV8 lines) is big enough but HP doesn't support updating it to use TRIM so its performance is inferior to other SSDs that can use TRIM. Having fun yet? I spent half an hour talking with Alan about that very issue yesterday. If you can strip away enough stuff from your primary HDD, one of the 80Gb Intel SSDs might be the ticket.

 

Congrats!

Seems you made a great choice!

 

Yes I rebooted after installing it. Haven't really experienced lately but I think that's more to having a ssd and shutting down/booting up rather than waking up out of hibernation/sleep.

 

Is there even ANY laptop that can do this?

 

Good enough...

Keep us posted about the issue if/when you experience it again please.

 

None that I am aware of...

There are expresscards in the works for hdmi input though (you know it will have DRM slapped all over it).