Hp Pavilion with AMD TURION processors...your take on it?

HOT OR WHAT?

..people with INTEL based procies are complaining already about their notebooks' heat,
i am a little worried bec. im getting a dv6750 with AMD TURION 64x...

anyone who has an AMD TURION running on Hp Pavilion? (dv6000 series at least)

Does it get really hot, to the point that you cannot leave your notebook overnight? and too hot for your lap?

Thanks.

 

With the latest BIOS update, mine runs around 47C at idle. Has gone into the low sixties under full load (dv6400). It is much better than it was before......

 

I would go with the Intel. At the moment, Intel has better processors and AMD is trying to catch up to their technology. I would go with the Intel if I were you.

 

id go with amd they are quiet have had intels and will never go back after using amd

 

Go with Intel.....hp laptops with amd processors are the ones having problems with the motherboards...

 

i was like that 4 years ago but things have changed. intel seems to be coming out with the faster chips now

 

A couple of years ago I'd agree with you. Now it's different. The C2D chips run more efficient and "better" than the AMD chips. They run cooler, better on the battery as well. A 2.0 Ghz C2D will beat the 2.0 Ghz AMD X2 in most or all tests.

I have both so I do not have an allegiance to one over the other. I rebuilt my desktop and used the AMD X2 chip because MB, Chip, fan and memory was $110....a comparable C2D was $230..... My kids use this most of the time and it's more than enough for the light gaming, internet and reports that they use it for.

However, on both laptops I have and I prefer the Intel C2D chip for the reasons I mentioned above....cooler and battery life being at the top of the list!! Don't get me wrong, the AMD is a good chip but I feel the Intel C2D is that much better...faster, cooler and uses less energy. If the AMD is ALLOT cheaper then maybe I'd suggest it, but if it's 10% more or so, then get the C2D.

 

I would go with Intel, I was quite unhappy with the Turion X2 processor in my Compaq V3000 (DV2000's cousin). It got burning hot on the bottom when even doing simple tasks as playing SimCity 3000 or running a couple of YouTube videos at once. The fan would also keep running constantly.

I bought it in August 06 and it died/fried this February, another DV2000 user with the same processor reported the same thing on another forum.

I was very happy with the Athlon processor in my 2001 HP desktop but this experience has really soured me on AMD.

 

Yep, which was why HP released a BIOS update to make the fan run at high speed constantly to deter overheat........

 

I have the new BIOS and I can tell you that the fan does not run all the time...I can't even tell the difference from before...I have had the new BIOS before I even sent it in for its first repair and it is still blazing hot doing the simplest of tasks...

 

Hmm...that cannot be the dv2000z and the V3000z share the same BIOS and the latest verion F.39 will set the fant to run always. If yours doesnt then either you still have the older version or there is something else amiss. As far a difference is concerned the idle temps on the cpu decreased by around 5C, the chipset/GPU stayed the same. Although overall, not much of a difference in terms of cooling but it should keep constant airflow which helps the system keep cool.

IMHO, its not really the cpu temps which are killing these systems. Its the chipset/GPU's which dont seemt to have necessary cooling.

 

Well I have F3D and the fan noise is a big difference than before. On the flipside, my idle temp is down by about 10C.......

 

My dv6000z has a Turion 64 X2, and it ran really warm all the time. It constantly ran at around 60°C, even when idle. That's most likely why my wireless LAN died, then eventually graphics adapter or motherboard just the other day. I'm getting it repaired by HP (it's still under warranty). When they fix it, will it have the new BIOS update or will they leave the old one?

 

I would assume it will have the newest BIOS as your system board will likely be replaced.....

 

You might have a point but not totally.....let me explain. My "home built" system has an AMD 3800+ running 32-38 deg C and the video card is running at 50-52 deg c. I have a fan on the chip, case and video card. so a GPU could cause extra heat that the chassis can not handle.

However, I had the F572US (TK-57 AMD Athlon X2) with IGP and that ran HOT....about 47-55 idle as where my "C2D" is 35 deg c idle and 42 def C at full load. So the mobile version of AMD seem to run ALLOT hotter.

Something weird there. The case, fans, etc are identical on the F572 and C700T which makes me believe the AMD mobile throws off more heat than the C2D and the chassis on these lap tops are engineering for certain heat dispersal efficiently to a certain temperature.....which the extra AMD throws off.

 

Ditto what miner said. I'm hoping that HP comes out with AMD Puma platform notebooks using the very power efficient new AMD/ATI chipset and GPUs. That will help, but given that HP Intel notebooks are also having problems, just at a lower rate, HP really needs to work on their cooling systems.

FWIW my dv9000z with the current BIOS stays reasonably cool, usually under 40C idle, and the fan isn't very noticeable. I've stuffed it with 4GB of Crucial DDR2-667 RAM and a 7200RPM HD. I sit it on my lap too, being careful not to block the fan intake. The older BIOSes that didn't let the fan kick in until 55C were way too lenient. I don't think the Intel notebooks have their fan target set nearly that high.

 

Well, but this is what I have observed consistently on my system - the cpu idles around 38C and the max is around 60C which is quite normal for a mobile cpu. On the other hand the GPU consistently idles around 68 - 70C and under stress will hit >100C which might be OK for the GPU itself but not good for the rest of the surrounding components. Even the chipset seems to cook relatively compared to the cpu. it is usually around 55 - 60C and will hit 68C under consistent use. I have had my MB replaced due to the GPU/chipset overheating and the temps are now back to what they were before with the new MB, so I dont think its just my system. Plus, I have noticed the similar temps on a dv2000z my neighbor owns. Idling at 68C is not good no matter what other component you have.

Here's a typical screencap I took right now. The system has been on for around 2hrs and the power setting is on balanced. The ambient temp is ~70F.

 

Ok....here are my temps after turning on my computer from having it off for two hours.....

 

I deff think I have another problem that I need to contact HP about.... :-(

 

Wow, those are idle temps? You could use that as a space heater or a grill....send it back...NOW!!!

 

You should see it when it actually does something....it heats up so much it burns my wrists hardcore...btw I'm waiting for my case manager to contact me back...

 

so this means that Pavilion's that come up with AMD are pretty much hotter than intel's? AMD or not, the fans in hp units (as what ive read) tends to be configured to run faster if the bios was updated.. i mean hell, HP shud work stress more on their thermoregulation! a matter of intergrating the parts inside the laptop! My GoD HP delivers teh BEST look and feel when it comes to laptop styles and finishes but regarding NOISE and thermoregulation, INTEL/AMD or not, they really do SUCK!!!

 

For those who have Hp Pavilion notebooks with AMD's are the ones who are having the heat problems. Intel processors run much cooler therefor they don't fry out the laptop's motherboard or nearby components. But to be sure techincal support said that every laptop in their line will have the fan running all the time to prevent further complications.

 

Hi ncstate11, are you using HP 2700t as replacement? intel right? how's the heat downstairs? cooler now with the intel chip onboard? what about the noise? btw, 2700t has a special edition right? all black? thanks.

 

don't know havent gotten it yet....hp is replacing my dv2310us with a dv2700t because I have sent the 2310us in for repair 3 times and has come back from repair with the same problems

 

HP Pavilion DV9612ca here with TL-58 AMD X2 processor. Happy with the laptop 100% Idle at 48-50deg. When my son play games, the temps might reach the high 60. This is not bad at all.

Like all the laptops, be sure you clean the fan that use to run to cool the cpu, i will come dusty faster than you imagine.

So keep it clean an you wont have problems.

AMD all the way.

 

NCstate11....Replacement: Hp Pavilion 2700t: Intel Core 2 Duo T5550, 128MB NVIDIA Geforce 8400M, 2 GB Ram, 160 GB-SATA, 14.1 Brightview, 6 Cell Battery

Nice specs on that unit...I could play flight Sim X at a decent clip on that. even though I have AMD and C2D chips, the C2D is REALLY a good chip. Intel really left AMD "in the dust" with the C2D and Quad chips.

Did HP simply switch you to that computer at no cost to you? If so, that's a great deal and upgrade!!!

 

yeah I called them about my broken laptop and how it is yet again broken and my case manager ordered me that upgrade...put some faith back into hp for me...

 

Double the ram, Dedicated graphics and better CPU....enjoy it!!! I'm sure you'll see a difference right away.

 

I'm sure both AMD and Intel processors each have their advantages, but in the end they do the same thing. AMD based notebooks tend to cost less, perform great and in my opinion come with a better graphics card.

Comparison of two comparably specd and priced 14" HP notebooks:
HP dv2890 $949 after mail-in rebate
LINK
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 SOURCE

• 1.66GHz
  667 MHz Front Side Bus
  2MB L2 Cache
  65nm
  34W

• 250GB hard drive
• Built-in wireless 802.11agn
• 3GB of DDR2 memory
• Burns DVDs and CDs
• Built-in webcam


HP dv2810us $679.99 after mail-in rebate
LINK
AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60 SOURCE

• 2.0GHz
  1600MHz HyperTransport Bus
  1MB L2 Cache
  65nm
  35W

• 250GB hard drive
• Built-in wireless 802.11b/g
• 3GB of DDR2 memory
• Burns DVDs and CDs
• Built-in webcam


Are there differences? Sure. Are the differences worth $270? Your call.


I've had my AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-56 (HP dv6225us) 1.8GHz for over a year and I'm happy with the purchase.

 

+1 for AMD here.

Also been able to OC to 2.4ghz using ntune.

 

The Pentium 4 era was the time to get AMD... Now there's no question about it... Get Intel for sure!!

 

Great......i'm going to try and not start a flame war. But AMD isn't all that bad. I mean for most users (if it weren't for the dreaded motherboard soldering problem) there will be not much difference in performance between AMD and Intel processors, mainly mobile, clock for clock.

 

Correct...Intel pushes AMD and AMD pushes Intel to design better, more efficient and lower cost chips.

I have both Amd and C2D chips and both are good. The C2D can be overclocked by quite a bit compared to the AMD. The C2D throws off less heat and is more efficient. Like someone mentioned price is a big factor and AMD wins that battle hands down. I rebuilt my home computer and it was over half the price for AMD chip so I went for the AMD and am pleased by it's performance....both are good chips, but if battery life is your main concern and speed per task I'd have to say C2D....in a notebook, that is my choice.

My F572 compared to my C700 (AMD vs "C2D") I got 1:50 mins (about 9% left) battery life on the AMD and 2:30 (about 12% left) mins on the Intel....6 cell battery on both.

Bottom line, as consumers,we need AMD and Intel to "fight it out" because competition is great for the consumer.

$50 for a AMD X2 4000+
$150 for a comparable C2D.....

Pluses and minuses for each.

 

Exactly, I agree with you 100%

 

I think AMD will make a comeback against intel soon...Back in my hometown of Albany, NY they just got their funding from the state to build a huge microchip factory there...see link http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/microchip_1254527___article.html/build_help.html

 

From a few of those posts it looked like the Nvidia graphics was the real culprit of heat in the AMD systems. The Intel may run better because it has the Intel graphics or some discrete solution that doesnt affect the rest of the board so much.

I think AMD has a great product coming out in June with the Puma platform, and it will blow away an Intel budget notebook in all aspects until Intel updates their memory controller to use faster DDR-2 and puts the AMD integrated graphics inside.

There really is no need to bash either brand, they both are good, but I applaud AMD for competing, when you have a rich, and once lazy Intel taking all of your money. I also have no doubt Intel has been making shady deals to keep their cpus almost exclusive to retailers. Thats business

It is exciting news that there are 100 designs with the new Puma launching in June. This must mean the retailers saw something they liked. I thought about getting an Intel laptop this month, but decided to wait for the Puma.

 

Montevina will have support for DDR3-800 and a 1066 FSB and should roll out around the same time as Puma. It will also scale higher than what will be available on Puma, so I don't think there is much of a chance of a top-performance head-to-head. As for as budget rankings go, we'll see. Up to now, there is really not a wide margin in price between a slower X2 and much faster Penryn. I expect this trend to continue........

I'm unsure about your "AMD integrated graphics" reference towards Intel. A Centrino-badged model will never sport an AMD/ATI chipset, period.

 

Yeah, that was more a joke with Intel using ATI graphics.

AMD memory performance has been pretty bad though, and if they actually get it running at speed/throughput compared to 50-70% its potential then it is going to narrow the gap in performance, since Intel utilizes RAM more like 95% and up.

If you can watch an entire Blu-Ray movie and have battery left over I am impressed with the Puma architecture, and they claim it can.

Amd is a step behind Intel in some respects, but that is not surprising since Intel has a lot more resources. Montevina will assuredly outperform Puma, but which will be in my price range is the question.

I'm still using dual Athlon XPs with a 266Mhz FSB, so I'm not too picky about the latest technology, but I'm now in the market and I think Puma will be more in my "value" range than the Intel Montevina, and I think Puma will outperform Intel's current Santa Rosa. I think that is exactly where AMD expects to be at this point.

 

If Puma can keep the heat down and battery savings up, I'm all for it.

 

Using AMD turionX2 here, not a problem at all, no heat issue neither. Using Vista X64 and quite satisfied of it.

Cant wait for the puma though.