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I was wondering if anyone out there has an idea or just a guess on when the new chip set will be available for HP notebooks. I know the platform comes out May 9 but when will I see this in notebooks? In particular, when will they be in the mainstream models (dv2000, dv6000, etc.)? I am going to send my 2000t back in to get an exchange because this heat and fan thing is just ridiculous, but I wan to wait until Santa Rosa is out.

 

you can expect new refreshed models out within a few weeks
a month or a month and half maybe
theyll discard C2D as soons a s santa rosa is out and will adopt the newer platform

 

C2D aka Core 2 Duo is still the name of the processor used in Santa Rosa.

The only noticeable difference will be that the laptops will be branded as either "Centrino Pro" (when vPro is included), and "Centrino Duo" for Santa Rosa-based systems without vPro.

 

I'm in the same boat. Just got a dv9000t, and I'm thinking of sending it back and seeing what new stuff they have. If it takes them a few months to get it out, I'll stick with this one though. I hope some rumors start to leak soon! Hoping for something with a 1920x1200 screen.

 

What is Santa Rosa?

 

Search this forum or Google for that! For a Google search try, Intel Santa Rosa, or click this link.

 

Santa Rosa is the new super turbo charger for the Core 2 Duo processor series, it turbo charges C2D CPU with turbo charger, which code named Santa Rosa. Current Intel based C2D processor owners should see significant turbo charging power from the CPU that is equipped with Santa Rosa. However it is still unknown just what is this turbo charging charger that will be coming this May. Therefore it is important for you to consider whether or not that the turbo charging charger will have any beneficial effects in your line of laptop, that is to say, is it worth the $500 to upgrade just to have the awesome turbo charing charger.

 

Bravo good sir!

 

Does anyone know how much of a difference it will really make?

 

We'll never know until models actually arrive and people can benchmark them.

For gaming at least though, the thing to consider is not just Santa Rosa itself, but the arrival of DX10 mobile GPU's like the GeForce 8400 and GeForce 8600, which will offer better performance than the comparable previous generation mobile cards.

 

Would you have to have Santa Rosa to get them?

 

Im looking at getting a asus G1 laptop and I want to get the best gaming I can get out of it, would it be worth it to get the Santa Rosa?

 

I'm hoping for features that companies will add to entice you to buy. Even though it's a chipset upgrade, they've probably been holding back some other cool stuff. This chipset includes 802.11n (draft). Hi-rez displays, standard webcams, faster bluetooth standards? built in EVDO or other wireless WAN stuff?

Don't forget, most consumers don't really care about the chipset, so there will need to be more features to get people to buy.

 

Technically, no. But companies tend to lump multiple upgrades together in the same product refresh. So Santa Rosa would be a good excuse to release new GPU's even if technically speaking they aren't related.

 

Is centrino pro going to be better for gaming?

 

Seems like everything i read that Santa Rosa is mostly for people who does gaming?? am i correct? As in faster wireless, better graphics....??

 

Santa Rosa again is the entire chipset. It's the replacement for the current Napa chipset. It will benefit everyone to some degree because it allows for more performance out of the CPU's, and things like the Intel Turbo Memory (Robson) will help performance and battery life as well.

For gaming though, as I mentioned above, outside of the Santa Rosa chipset, the real performance benefits could also come from DX10 GPU's, which will also show up on Santa Rosa-based systems.

-Zadillo

 

Somewhat, yes - but the big thing will be DX10 GPU's like the GeForce 8600.

Also, just to note, "Centrino Pro" is the name that will be used for Santa Rosa based systems that include vPro (a technology that allows people to remotely administer notebooks, etc.). "Centrino Duo" will be used as the name for Santa Rosa-based notebooks that don't include vPro, but will otherwise be the same.

Note also that not all features of the Santa Rosa platform will be on all systems; as I understand it, features like the Intel Turbo Memory (NAND Flash to increase bootup, etc. and improve battery life) are optional, so you'd want to check to make sure it had this.

 

When is this series of nVidia GPU's slated to be released?

 

Supposed to coincide with Santa Rosa from what I've seen - it seems like many of the Santa Rosa notebooks due in May/June/July with discreet graphics are using DX10 GPU's (GeForce 8400 and 8600 at least).

 

Even on 14.1" notebooks? The dv2000z used the 6150 and the dv2000t used the 7200. It would be nice if they bumped it up to a 7400 but I thought there'd be a basic class, like 7200 or something. I'm considering waiting for these new notebooks, but I am concerned about the premium you'd have to pay to get Centrino Pro.

 

Yes, the 8400 and 8600's were just examples.

I think I've seen at least one reference to an upcoming laptop with simply a "GeForce 8000", but I don't know if that's an actual part or was just a generic name because they didn't know exactly what it would be yet.

I imagine there will be something like a "GeForce 8200" too to replace the GeForce 7200.

And frankly, just as there are still laptops shipping now with a GeForce 6150, I wouldn't be surprised to see GeForce 7xxx parts used in lower end configs, etc.

 

There is a theory that the "consumer" line of notebooks that most of us have will not be going to the new chipset because it is designed for business users. I don't buy into this, but it makes me wonder if there will be a big delay in when I can get the 965 in my 2000t. Also I believe the graphics will be integrated only, probably the x3100 I'm guessing. Who knows ...

 

its not wise to beleive everything you hear
i dont buy into it either
just normal rumours designed to spread panic

 

Specs Leaked!!

hxxp://laptoping.com/hp-pavilion-dv2000-dv6000-dv9000-santa-rosa-specifications.html

 

i hope they solved cpu noise

 

It looks like the integrated video will be the X3100. Does anyone know how this will compare to the current discrete options? I now have the GeForce 7200, will I lose some video memory?

 

i dont think the latest discrete graphics solutions are gonna beat even the go7200

 

Huh? I don't get it.

 

Would anybody like to explain the whole 256MB NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) Go 7400 having 128mb on board and 271mb shared video graphics memory?

399mb?

 

The quick answer is that your video card has a certain amount of dedicated memory that is accessed only from the card, and the rest (when needed) is "borrowed" from your system memory. 399 MB is a weird number for a total amount of memory but I don't know much about why that would be so off. By the way, I talked to HP yesterday about a possible exchange from my current dv2000t to the Santa Rosa platform. They told me that I would only have to wait a few more weeks then I should call them back. I already have been referred to a case manager. I hope that is promising.

 

It depends. With all of the HP literature floating around the net about the dv2500t, the integrated GMA X3100 looks to be the only graphic solution launching with it. If you currently have the GMA950, I'd say go for it. If it is the Go 7200, I'd have to think hard about giving up the discrete graphics for a GMA (new or not).




Mike

 

What are some of the specs for the X3100? I have the 7200 now, but the integrated X3100 is "supposed" to be comparable. Any thoughts?

 

I don't remember who said it, but somewhere on these boards I heard someone say basically "even though the x3100 is DX10 capable, it is likely that the card will not even be able to run the actual games that utilize DX10 to its real potential."

Think about it.. even though it's DX10 capable, it's still only an integrated card *cough*pieceofjunk*cough*

This is just pure speculation, but I don't think that it will be able to outdo any discrete solutions.

 

Yeah, probably not. At least the Go 7200 has some memory of it's own, the GMA has none.

 

I don't know, I hadn't really seen anyone ever claim the GMAX3100 would outdo any discrete solutions; merely that it would offer better performance than the GMA950.

 

Does anyone know whether HP is only going to make the new Santa Rosa machines with integrated graphics cards or if they could still possible announce machines with discreet memory for graphics cards?

 

It is almost guaranteed that HP will offer models with discrete graphics as well; it is probably just this initial batch of models that have been unveiled with integrated graphics; there's no reason for HP to drop models with dedicated graphics options.

 

agreed and seconded

 

Taking an educated guess, I think HP is keeping the discrete cards under wraps until Nvidia officially announces them.

 

I've got to find out what is happening with the graphics before I go an do the exchange. I think it will be worth it to wait a few months but we'll see. Maybe there will be a discrete 8200(?) to replace the 7200. I don't know.

 

So has Nvidia still now officially announced their new GPU's yet?

 

for the desktops yes
for their laptop counterparts,no
they are set to officially announce and release them along with the release of the new santa rosa platform

 

After researching a bit and talking to a few people (some credible, some not) it looks like HP will release a whole slew of notebooks on May 9 or there abouts. They will be available from HP directly. I am still hoping they add a discrete graphics option to all the lineup, but I'm not holding my breath. Also there were some recent reviews,

http://computershopper.com/feature/200704_the_right_gpu_for_you

that say X3100 won't be as promising as I hoped. We'll see.

 

I was just thumbing through the HP mail catalog and noticed an exclaimer about all discounts on the current Pavilion/Presario notebooks ending May 8. That can't be a coincidence.

 

most online sites/stores are giveaways
one of the channels through which comapnies product plans are "leaked"
small things are the major giveaways usually
if the offers are ending on may 8th it doesnt seem like coincidence to me

 

So who's willing to bet that HP will discontinue the current line of notebooks and replace them entirely with the news DVx5xx's ?

 

With what happened when the Core 2 Duo came out (total lack of Core Duo), I would say that it is a guarantee there will be now DVxxxx series. All x5xx series from the 9th on. At least that is what I am banking on when I ask for an exchange. If they only have the x5xx series, I'll get one of those on the exchange. If I can make up my mind on the graphics card thing yet.

 

HP really will let you trade in your laptops for Santa Rosa? That sounds really odd to me. Do you receive a trade-in value and then purchase a new one?

I'm not doing it because i don't have one, but i'm just wondering.

But i'll check in with the new centrino pros and duos when they come out for HP.

 

My lappy has had the infamous "fan running constantly" problem. Recently it has overheated a few times and I am now getting weird lines and black flashes on the screen. I smell burning plastic at random moments. These are all the reasons why they will probably return it. That and it is only 4 months old or so. Atleast, I hope they allow the return. I have already been referred to a case manager who told me to call when my classes were done and I could arrange something. Keeping my fingers crossed that my dv2000t will hold out until the new ones come out.