NOW AVAILABLE - Updated ENVY 15, ENVY 17 / ENVY 17 3D

Having ordered the HP Envy 14 the day that it came out ... I wouldn't count on it arriving before December 7th ... that is, if you do not order the quick ship model. I ordered a custom HP Envy 14 and I remember the whole process taking about 2-3 weeks from ordering to receiving the product.

If you order the quick ship model, it should come to you before Christmas I'd say.

 

hope hp releases a 30% off coupon shortly after!!

 

I am guessing that this deal is for the OLD Envy, not the newest one?
Get 30% Coupon HP ENVY 17 Laptop + Envy 17 Review - LogicBUY

I had configured one on their website, and the "ship date" indicated 12/7, which corresponds to the release of the new line ... so I was wondering/hoping

 

Outdoors, indoors where sunlight comes in, or even in a classroom with no windows. It doesn't kill off readability, but it can be annoying. As weird as this may sound, I've been able to use the reflection on my screen to confirm whether someone behind me is looking in my direction all the time as I suspect. Yeah, it's that bad.

 

And that's with the screen brightness all the way up? Wow.

 

This is important.

I want to confirm a couple things (though HP may have no released these details)

On the Envy 15 Display

1) Is it an IPS panel?
2) Does it have a 95% color gamut like the Envy 14 radiance?
3) Is it really only 5.8 pounds?

If the answer to these question is yes, I'm buying it.

 

I just noticed something, ivy bridge (3rd gen cpu) is coming out next year. Isnt it a bit early for hp to release a redesign?

 

Maybe the redesign is to bring Ivy Bridge compatibility? Hasn't the Ivy Bridge release slipped to March '12? Guess we will know by January.

 

I thought the exact same thing. Maybe the 14" ENVY will be the first to get the Ivy Bridge treatment.

 

I hope HP offers a matte screen option. I refuse to buy laptops with the mirror like reflections off the screen.

And the black lid is going to show fingerprints very easily. Even the picture on Engadget showed fingerprints on the black lid.

HP Envy 15 and 17 (2011) - Engadget Galleries

 

Here is a description in Swedish from the HP site. I did not see it in the US site..translated it as well: This is the ENVY 3010

HP ENVY says - inside and out - who you are and reflects your vision, creativity and personal taste, but also meets your requirements for performance, comfort and an unparalleled ownership experience.

With Windows ® 7 Home Premium 64 for superior digital entertainment
Intel ® Core ™ i7 2670QM (2.2 GHz) processor - Visibly smart performance at its best
8 GB of DDR3 memory for high performance and stable operation.
750GB SATA hard drive (7200 rpm) to store all your digital files.
43.9 cm (17.3 inch) Radiance LED backlit Full HD Infinity (1920 x 1080)
Experience High-Definition with the AMD Radeon HD 7690M XT Graphics (1GB DDR5 dedicated)
Housing in Nero Black interior in Natural Silver, aluminum
Watch movies and much more with Blu-ray ROM with SuperMulti DVD ± R / RW with Double Layer
1 year, carry in, parts and workmanship
Beats ™ Audio with HP Triple Bass Reflex subwoofer and six speakers; Prepared for the HP wireless audio
Includes W-Fi, Bluetooth, HDMI, USB 3.0, HD Webcam with integrated digital microphone, ideal for social networking and communication
ENERGY STAR ® qualified, EPEAT ® Silver
HP Notebook protection sleeve

 

WHAT IS THAT GRAPHICS CARD!!

AMD Radeon HD 7690M XT Graphics (1GB DDR5 dedicated)

Someone said it was a rebranded 6770 which I am told is a rough equivalent and maybe better than the 6850? Anyways I was just wondering if anyone had a clue.

 

It could well be just on par or worse performing compared to 6850M.

 

so the 17 inch will have the 6770m equivalent? i thought the 15 inch would have that and the 17 something more powerfull! Please give 6770m on the envy 15!

 

Gosh I hope not. Let's hope they have learned lessons from the past. Obviously buyers want an upgrade from generation to generation. I really don't have a choice but to buy this or an MBP. I went to 10 stores yesterday and every computer was just so uninspiring. I have bought so many cheap laptops in the past 10 years and I just want something that feels nice in my hands. I even looked at the DV7 and don't get me wrong for the price it is a nice machine. I just still walked away like bleh. I was hoping for something more (if that makes sense). I don't want to pay for a downgrade from the current envy gen which I think are quite nice (still though the 2630qm is a tad bit slower).

 

Both Envy 15 & Envy 17 should have HD 7690M XT.

 

It is NOT better than the 6850. The 6850 has more pipelines than the 6770. The main difference is that to compensate for fewer pipelines...the 6770 is clocked higher...I have a machine with each...and the 6770 cannot beat the 6850 when the resolutions are the same.

 

Huh, looks like AMD's bringing back the monikers for their cards, this should be an interesting lineup of cards if a 7690 is better than a 6770m, hoping it's the next gen and die shrunken allowing for higher performance and less heat. I imagine there's multiple versions of cards then, 7690 and 7690 XT, guess we'll find out everything when AMD unveils their cards.

 

I cant believe both laptops will have the same graphic card. in the website is says performace graphics for the envy 15 and enthusiast graphics for the 17, so there has to be a difference!!

 

Agree. And the benchmarks of the Envy 17 show far higher fps than on the Envy 15. They won't be the same.

Maybe in some countries they will, HP ships different configurations to different countries.

Found something which would be at least a wishful thought: detail.zol.com.cn/notebook/index305285.shtml <- it says 6850M, but I doubt that considering what we know so far

 

Where are the benchmarks you're speaking of?

 

HP Communities - Hands On: New Envy 15, 17 ? And A New Look - HP Communities

 

Those 1080p benches kind of disappoint for both of the video cards. I was expecting higher performance out of the Envy 15, let alone Envy 17. Maybe if it really is a brand new arch (not a rebrand) that would mean performance will improve greatly with driver improvements, and even better if we can update direct with Catalyst drivers and not inf modified ones.

Edit: Even better, AMD switchable (hopefully the separate MUX type so it can switch properly in Linux too)

 

The Windows experience score for graphics on the Envy 15 really doesn't make any sense to me. My Sony Vaio SA with a Radeon 6630M gets a 6.7 in both graphics and gaming graphics.

 

AMD switchable graphics means that we'll have to rely on HP for graphics driver updates

Edit: Those benchmarks are sometimes different by around 2x between the Envy 15 and 17. This should mean that either the 15 is throttling or there is significantly different gfx hardware in them.

 

No, it is in the driver by now, like Nvidia Optimus.

 

So HD 7690M XT in Envy 15 and rebranded (or not) HD 6850M in Envy 17?

 

Not according to this article which went in-depth with both Optimus and AMD's switchable gfx.

AnandTech - Mobile GPU Faceoff: AMD Dynamic Switchable Graphics vs. NVIDIA Optimus Technology

 

First of all, I learned the original Envy 14 radiance had an 82% color gamut.

Second, the new Envy line radiance displays have a 72% color gamut according to
HP ENVY New Generation | Ubergizmo


I'm very dissapointed.

 

That 72% color gamut is listed for the panel on the Envy 17. The panel on the Envy 15 is supposed to be superior.

 

So much disinformation, we need a proper review site to get their hands on an Envy 15, preferably Anandtech who will do a proper display review on it and we'll find out everything then.

I really hope HP didn't drop the ball on the Envy 15 at all, that score for the Envy 15 has to be wrong (the WEI). Considering it's a brand new GPU drivers can't be finalized yet.

 

I hope this is the case. I am really looking forward to an ACTUAL radiance display.

I was close to buying the m4600 or w520 to get the screen

 

Is it just me or does it look like the Envy 15 is directly competing with the high end MBP15? 6770m equivalent w/ switchable graphics, quad core, higher resolution display, .19 pounds heavier.. $2199 vs $1099 + that IPS screen cost... I really hope it competes favorably..

 

will the display on the envy 15 be better than a macbook pro? (15 or 17" mbp)

how does the current nv14 w/ radiance compare to a MBP? (i have the 14 but cant do a side by side test)

 

MBP is 1440x900 default 1680x1050 upgrade. Envy 15 is 1366x768 default 1920x1080 (IPS?) upgrade. In theory it will be a better panel in the Envy than the MBP 15, the 17 is probably comparable to each other. No idea about the Radiance Envy 14.

 

Looks great but not to impressed with gaming results at all found here
HP Communities - Hands On: New Envy 15, 17 ? And A New Look - HP Communities


Quick Gaming Tests:
Just Cause 2: “Dark Sunrise” Test
1920 x 1080, settings at high – to – ultra:14.72 fps
1600 x 900,settings at medium to high:28.79 fps



Resident Evil 5 “Fixed” Test
1920 x 1080,settings at high – to – ultra: 25.2 fps
1600 x 900,settings at medium to high:58.5 fps



Total War: Shogun 2
720p Balanced, DirectX 11 Benchmark:15.93 fps

Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War II – Retribution
1920 x 1080, settings at high – to – ultra: 31.65 fps
1600 x 900,settings at medium to high:41.9 fps

Now it might be imature drivers for a new GPU but still not good at all

 

All new AMD GPU models leaked:
Details zu anstehenden 28-nm-Grafiklösungen von AMD - 21.11.2011 - ComputerBase

 

That post with the leaked details on AMD's Radeon GPU plans makes me believe the following:

1. The Envy 17 will come out with one default GPU initially: perhaps the previously mentioned AMD 7690 XT OR (according to the other leak) some other new but NOT top-end 28nm chip. This would probably be the fastest new generation 28nm gpu available at that time
1a. It may have the option to upgrade to the 6850, but I'm guessing the benchmarks for the new GPU will be comparable to the 6850 AND with better power usage
2. When AMD releases their higher performance chips (codenamed from the german website: Chelsea, Heathrow, Wimbledon), the HP Envy 17 line will be updated to provide one ore more options from that line
3. I also assume that someone will have a youtube video of how to self-upgrade from the 7690 XT to a better graphics card at that time... so "early adopters" with enough ability will be able to buy it Dec 7 AND still eventually take FULL advantage of AMD's new architecture.

 

Any idea what this test is or how to run it? I have Just Cause 2, and an older envy 15 w/5830 I'd like to run it on for comparison. But I can't find anything called the "dark sunrise test" on google.

 

Looks like it was named incorrectly? Desert Sunrise is the only test I could find like that, along with Dark Tower.. I am not putting much faith into these benches right now.

 

That was my feeling as well. And I'm cynical enough to believe they intentionally picked an ambiguous name that could appear to be an honest mistake that leaves us with no way to make comparisons with other hardware.

 

I don't have the game myself but it's more than likely the in game benchmark tool that the game has.
Sorry but I'm going with what I read but until I see some real benchmarks I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Your results would be great idea to see how they might compare.

 

I'll see if I can find the two in-game tests ("dark tower" and "desert sunrise") and run them when I get home. It's anybody's guess which of these two is the test called "dark sunrise" in the article, but we'll at least have both numbers to look at.

 

Okay, just got done running these on my current Envy 15 with the 5830. There are two tests in Just Cause 2 that might be the one he used-- "Dark Tower" and "Desert Sunrise". I've included both tests, one run with the settings I play with (medium to high) and one with everything but vsync turned on and maxed out. Then I did everything again overclocked to 530/1140.

Make of it what you will. It's impossible to know which of the two benchmarks he was running, since he got the name wrong-- but it doesn't look great either way. The *slowest* framerate I got out of the two-year-old Envy 15 is only a tiny bit slower. 12.2fps vs his 14.72 fps for the "Dark Tower" test with settings maxed out and stock clock speed. Which means that in two years, it's a meager 20% improvement. It's worse if he meant "Desert Sunrise"-- if that's the case, the old Envy 15 beats the new one by nearly 30%. And I don't even want to do the math on comparing the OC'd 5830 to the new Envy 15. That's a bloodbath.

Dark Tower, Max Settings, stock clock:

1920x1080: 12.2
1600x900: 15.87

Desert Sunrise, Max, stock:

1920x1080: 18.75
1600x900: 23.65

Dark Tower, Normal, stock:

1920x1080: 20.52
1600x900: 26.62

Desert Sunrise, Normal, stock:

1920x1010: 35.81
1600x900: 45.02

Dark Tower, Max Settings, OC:

1920x1080: 15.61
1600x900: 20.19

Desert Sunrise, Max, OC:

1920x1080: 22.54
1600x900: 28.46

Dark Tower, Normal, OC:

1920x1080: 26.71
1600x900: 34.30

Desert Sunrise, Normal, OC:

1920x1010: 44.55
1600x900: 55.24

 

Hmmm just finished catching up on the last few pages of this thread. All the talk about the radeon card has me worried that the new Envy won't launch with a card that's at LEAST comparable to the one that's within the current model. One would hope that spec for spec they would at least match the previous generation....

The more I see of the new Envy though the more I'm worried about the whole black top and silver bottom look that HP has going with it. I'd rather if they go black they go ALL black like the dv6/dv7 QE laptops...

Like another member said its so early in the game and way too much speculation. A proper review should help set things straight. However I'm happy that it will have one more USB 3.0 port (2 3.0's from what I've read) and longer battery life.

 

Looks like the GPU int he new envy is just a rebranded 6770m then.

 

I'd be surprised if AMD rebranded something that high up in their mobile GPU's, I'm hoping for at least 28nm.

 

I love glossy screens for he better color reproduction. A bit of the anti-glare coating that was available on the 2nd gen Envy 15 would've made things sweet.

 

Same, I too like glossy screens since the screen color is better in quality. I always use laptops indoors so I never have the glare problem.

However, a matte screen upgrade option wouldn't hurt.

So... the GPU on the new Envy 17 would be about the same as the current one (6850m)? And the GPU on the new Envy 15 would be about the same as the dv6t (6770m)? That sound about right?

 

Those FPS's posted on the HP site (promo site I guess) are better than the same frames on Notebookcheck for the 6850. I guess it will be a slight upgrade but it is too soon to tell. I did not want a 6770m but my guess is that the heat problems with the 6850 seemed to force their hand a bit.

Do those of you running the 6850 on the 17 experience heat problems?