NOW AVAILABLE - Updated ENVY 15, ENVY 17 / ENVY 17 3D

the lcd panel was made in oct 2010?!

 

According to this image a few pages back:

http://img.pconline.com.cn/images/upload/upc/tx/itbbs/1111/16/c0/9628447_1321412852302_1024x1024.jpg

The 7690m XT is IDENTICAL to the 7690m if that GPU-z is correct.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...2xxx-series-owners-lounge-47.html#post7282558

according to the post 4th down in the thread for hte old Envy 17, the total score for 3dmark06 was also 12,000. This thing isn't "much better" than the 6850m. It's not better at all.

 

Like a bunch of little kids screaming "Is it Christmas yet?"

I log on to check my order status several time a day... and I'm a 50 yr old geezer

 

Well unlike in the States, his Envy 17 came with a 1600x900 resolution panel. So I'm not surprised.

 

The switching works like this:

- whenever the power cable is pulled/connected it asks if you want to use the 7690 or the intel

- you can also set it as default to switch to the 7690 when on power and intel when on battery (no q asked all automatic switching)

- lastly you can lock it to one of the gpu's (no switching at all)

All switching settings are done in software (ccc).

 

Thanks!

The way they have implemented it sounds good

 

CMN 1727? Could that be a Chi Mei panel?

 

Okay, this thunderbolt icon is driving me nuts. I feel like there's a deep mysterious secret about it. There's no info on it in the manual. I've never seen anything like it because its not a true thunderbolt (minidisplay) port. I would maybe expect it to be able to charge while being in standby but there's no mention of that anywhere. Plus Thunderbolt is coming out next year and HP debated implementing it this year months ago.. Sony actually made a Thunderbolt Hybrid Port that is Identical to USB 3.0 for their Ultraportable Z laptop.. but it used an older optical light peak technology.

Here's some interesting links if you want to read.

HP Passes on Thunderbolt in Favor of USB 3.0
Sony will implement Thunderbolt via USB? (Updated)

 

Now that was a surprise from the HD 7690M XT.

 

Just to make sure, could you try to lock it to AMD graphics and then run something using Opengl, minecraft for example? (Yeah i'm paranoid)

 

So there's literally no change in performance between the 7690M and the 7690M XT? What's the point then..? I'm sure that they wouldn't change them name if it's the exact same thing, plus, it got better FPS in the tests run on the Bench...

What do you all think..? I think there had to at least be some kind of performance increase, considering it's a mature process and all that..

 

You mean how they are calling the same thing 2 different names and defrauding consumers? Yeah, that's certainly pretty shocking.

 

Might just be a 1 Amp usb charging port.

 

Is it possible that the pre-configured machines came with the same GPU as the 15 and the customized ones have the XT? It's a stretch... but there may still be a chance they're not the same (in the ones we get).

Or it could be the XT is only in the 17 3D models? Not sure if Stefan's is 3D or not.

 

I think it's pretty obvious we should STOP citing those earlier benchmarks as having anything to do with anything at this point.

 

GPU-z that Stefan pasted says "7690m XT"

If it's not actually the true XT, they are lying to him.

If it is the true XT, they are lying to all of us.

 

I guess, but this still is not making me happy..

 

One minor different between the GPU-Z pics we have for the XT vs non-XT is the default clocks. Possibly just a glitch or a change from the different revisions of GPU-Z used... but the default 3D clocks listed are different (725MHz vs 400MHz). Even though the non-XT current clocks in the screen cap seem to be identicle... maybe they were overclocking it or something

 

Sorry, I missed that part. You're right.

Well that blows.

 

I'm confused about the max resolution. According to Stefan's screen shot its shows maximus resolution 1600x1200, I thought all Envy 17 were 1920x1080? Or did I miss something?

 

The European models only have 1600x1200 screen. All US models will have 1920x1080.

 

He isn't in the U.S.

Some other countries have an option for a 1600x resolution screen.

 

The pre-build models are 1600x900 as far as I can remember, but honestly, this is crap...

 

for all those who have an Envy 15 with a shipped status and due to arrive on the 22nd, where is the origin of the shipment from?

 

Those bloody B A S T A R D S at HP!.......no wonder they never released what graphics card would be used........(1GB Discrete Graphics AMD Radeon).

As long as the overall performance of the laptop is great.....I'll be happy with my purchase, I guess that's what we get for buying something without knowing w t f we get......

 

Shanghai, CN

 

SHANGHAI, CN

 

Can you tell me what the Windows Experience scores look like ?

 

In transit
SHANGHAI CN

Ship date

Dec 19, 2011

Estimated delivery

Dec 22, 2011 by 10:30 AM

Weight
4.8 kg/10.6 lbs (I got the 15 inch)

Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM
Picked up
SHANGHAI CN
Package received after FedEx cutoff
Dec 19, 2011 5:56 AM
Shipment information sent to FedEx

 

Wasn't it already confirmed that the graphics card is the 7690m XT?

 

I'm not sure. I'm just bored & being stupid.

 

if the 7690m XT performs anywhere near the 6850m and battery life is anywhere near what HP claims, I think it is a great achievement and I gladly for one welcome it

 

Yes, but it wasn't confirmed what the 7690m XT was the same thing as the non XT.

 

Since no one has the 15" model how was it confirmed?

 

It was.

The 15 was confirmed to get the regular 7690M. The 17 and 17 3D were confirmed to get the 7690M XT.

Point is, what they didn't say, is that the two cards are seemingly the exact same. If you look at the information posted in an earlier screenshot, the XT matches the regular 7690M. Until we get a comparison and fps tests from games using both cards, we won't be able to tell the difference between the two, if there is any. Hopefully there is...

I didn't think HP would pull something like this..

 

The GPu-z image linked a few pages back that I then relinked a page back, that shows 7690m (non XT) with identical specs to the 7690m XT that Stefan posted.

Many were also convinced that the XT would not simply be a rebadged Whistler core and that it would be something more powerful, which turned out to be untrue.

 

There was an article dated Dec. 15, saying that HP has finally put an end to the speculation and cleared the confusion as to what AMD graphics card comes on board the new Envy 15 and Envy 17, drum roll please…
•The Envy 15 has the AMD Radeon 7690M
•The Envy 17 has the AMD Radeon 7690M XT
In general it seems that the 7690M XT is going to have nearly double the performance of the 7690m in the Envy 15, so if you’re really into gaming the Envy 17 is definitely the way to go.

I don't know what to believe just yet.

 

You mean the article written by an HP employee, that was done on "late prototype" hardware, well before Dec. 7, and then edited a few days ago to change the names to 7690m and 7690m XT from names that were previously different?

If the 7690m is actually weaker than this 7690m XT, then HP just took a (dump) all over everyone who bought a 15". There is no reason anything slower than that Whistler core should be in the 15.

 

Here's the 3dmark vantage score:

 

Here is the link: HP Confirms AMD Radeon 7690M Graphics for New Envy 15 and Envy 17

 

Except the 6770m gets a 9000 score in 3dmark06 in most cases and sometimes a 10000. The 7690m XT gets 12000. There is a difference between the 6770m and the 7690m XT

 

Yes, and that review says the info comes from the post by Darren, the Hp employee who recently made an account and posted in this thread. It even links to it:

HP Communities - AMD?s Radeon 7600M Graphics for New ENVY Laptops - HP Communities

Notice it says it was updated to change the names of the cards.

"Now, while I haven’t had quality time with the FINAL hardware (I was playing with late prototype units) here’s what I had for a little testing"

 

oops read it wrong. Yeah it seems that there's some slight increase here in some situations, but this is still a Whistler card.

The "difference" is 900 MHz ram vs 800 MHz. Plus the total score includes both CPU and GPU scores. Find me pure gpu scores comparing the 6770m and 7690m "XT" so we can see.

 

Look again... it's 10k

 

Yeah i accidentally looked at 05 at first. I changed it though.

 

Maybe it's a Whistler

Low-end Radeon HD 7000 series; AMD re-brands | SemiAccurate

We don't even know if GPU-Z reads these cards correctly.

edit: nevermind, just realized that is for desktop versions

 

That's seriously abysmal Vantage scores.

 

All I know is the documented GPU-z data we have, and that is what I will trust, seeing as HP refuses to give us anything.

 

I don't know if these are good. Lol.

Edit: and isn't this the wrong card? 6770m? Also won't it run differently inside of the new Envys due to the fact that they will have newer drivers and most likely be overclocked.

 

So pretty much:

1. First off, both cards in these new ENVYs (15/17/17 3D) are better than the 6770M - that's a good first step.
   
2. Second, the 7690M is better than the 6770M by about 10-15%.
   
3. Thirdly, the 7690M "XT" is inexplicably a bit stronger than the regular 7690M by about 50% - even though it is read to be the same under GPU-Z.

Do we have any way to explain why the "XT" is giving better results than the regular 7690M? Are we sure there's nothing we might be over looking?