NOW AVAILABLE - Updated ENVY 15, ENVY 17 / ENVY 17 3D

If they still have a god-awful cooling system (100 C or more gaming), I wouldn't even look at it.
And I don't think they're improving the GPU that much.

 

I've just read about the IPS panels through articles on the web. I don't recall whether HP's reps themselves claimed they were using IPS panels in the youtube vids, but I may rewatch the vids during break to confirm.


And yes, IPS panels traditionally consume a lot of power. It's no coincidence IPS monitors in general tend to be bigger and clunkier. My unscientific assessment is there tends to be more parts that go into rendering higher quality images.

 

In what games and with which Envy did you experience 100C+ gaming? My Envy 14 runs quite cool. Chalk it up to a variety of engineering tweaks they implemented after the 1st gen Envy was shown to have problems.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the first Envy 15's had horrible cooling, but the second-generation was much better.

@amdme127 - A higher-powered GPU will have little to no impact on battery life unless you're doing graphics-intensive work/play on battery. If you're not using a lot of GPU power, you can just use the integrated graphics on battery, so it won't matter what discrete GPU you have.

 

Correct. Switchable graphics should be available with this iteration.

 

I believe you're confusing power draw here, the reason IPS monitors tend to be 'bigger and clunkier' is the higher quality backlight, chances are this is just going to be a standard edge-lit eIPS panel if it is IPS and it's going to have normal power draw, nothing extravagant. The IPS technology alone doesn't automatically mean higher power draw.

Edit: Also what I saw was on theverge/engadget they were quoting 9 hours for the 15 and 9.5 for the 17.. Which makes perfect sense when you consider the 17 has a larger battery.

 

Go look at HP's Envy site for the new Envy's, HP claims 8 hours for the Envy 17 and claims 6.5 hours for the Envy 15 (I say claims, because we all know the reality can be different).

Link: Premium Laptop, Professional Audio Laptop | HP Envy

The difference in battery is not enough to make the Envy 17, which will draw more power than a normal 15, have better battery life than the Envy 15. I guarantee that the IPS screen is the culprit for the shorter battery life of the Envy 15.

In regards to more powerful graphics card, when I use Photoshop and other software, that are GPU accelerated, the discrete card will be used. Higher End GPUs produced more heat and also needs more power to cool it (more advanced cooling system uses more power even in low operation modes), also they don't have as low power usage at idle. For what I do, a medium line discrete GPU in the 7700 range would do (I don't need the trade off of power usage and heat from a higher end to shave a couple seconds off my work due to a higher performance card), but for those who do need the horsepower, I hope they offer the option of an upgrade.

Edited/Addition:
With laptops, I prefer to undervolt CPU and GPU over overclocking them (I overclock too, but undervolt is more important to me). I get an extra 30-45 mins of battery life on my HDX16t with the 12 cell since I undervolted the T6600 from 1.15V down to .9250V. From there I overclock the parts to the point that they can maintain the lowest undervolt or is closest to it. That is my habits with laptops, which I presume puts me in a different category from most people who desire the Envy lineup, I do mostly content creation from programming, web design, graphic design, photography, to video. The premium build quality of the Envy's (also the better screens naturally attract me also) and premium support that comes with HP's top lineup appeal to me and make the Envy more of a consideration than the DV6 and DV7 (good enough CPUs, good discrete graphics, and great battery life) which specs closer to some of my needs.

 

Thanks for that....I'm just gonna go with it and be satisfied knowing I got the latest Envy.

 

HP should use nvidia gpu's

 

Really at this point they (ATI/AMD and nVidia) are both about the same in performance and quality of drivers. Currently I have two nVidia GPUs (one in laptop and one custom built desktop), I have no qualms switching to AMD/ATI in my next desktop build and laptop (I alternate between both of them each time I buy a laptop and/or build a desktop usually).

At this point it doesn't really make a huge difference since performance and driver quality are so close.

 

The paisley etching is subdued and gives it character, IMO. I love that the current Envy has such a metallic look. The two-tone look of the new one is not as elegant to me. I'd kind of want my top cover painted to mirror the silver on the bottom. They are both very well-designed computers, though. The new one seems to do a better job at affecting a unibody appearance. (It also may go just a bit too far in its mimicry of the MBP.)

 

Bottom of the Envy is black, so the top cover does mirror the bottom.

 

The new ENVY 17 will have dual fans/heatsinks; one for the CPU and one for the GPU. Not sure about the 15.

If it still runs hot with dual cooling, then HP is hopeless in regard to proper thermal management design.

 

Too similar to the MBP IMO. Taking styling hints is no bad thing in moderation, but this just a complete copy, and so has lost its identity. At least the old Envys were a darker shade to put them apart from the Apples.

 

I just don't see the whole MBP comparison. They look different to me....

 

I agree they are different , but the mbp with a hardcase that gets the black is quite similar. Additionally though I don't see the issue with it looking like a macbook. If it's durable and well styled so be it.

 

Why would you put your laptop in a *case* when you're using it?

 

Well one of these https://www.speckproducts.com/macbook-cases.html , I'm just saying the new Envy does resemble a MBP with one of these.

 

Even if I were to agree does it truly matter? At the end of the day I respect Apple and I think they makes wonderful products. If HP is trying to attain that level of quality I wish them all the luck in the world so long as they don't resort to HTC/Samsung like tactics and the sort.

However there's all the OS to consider. At the end of the day the Envy comes with Windows which is what I want so I'm gonna always want a PC over a Mac. Mac OSX is just not my cup of tea but the laptops themselves are definitely solid. And they cost a lot too when you compare them to the PCs so I'm looking forward to this new Envy for sure....

I just want the trackpad to be significantly improved. The one on this current Envy I'm using is an absolute joke.

 

Absolutely nothing matters about it. Read my first post. If its well styled and durable so be it if it looks like a macbook.
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According to the rumors the 2012 MBP's are scheduled to be redesigned so these Envy's may look totally different from those if that happens.

 

AMD never said anything about having true next-gen mobile 28nm chips out this year.

Don't be shocked if the Envy 15 is indeed sporting what is simply a die shrunk 6770M. The 17... I dunno. I wonder how much juice a 28nm 6950M would require.

 

Has anybody heard anything solid about the pricing yet for these models. I am looking for the 15 inch with the 1080p screen and atleast a 6750m or more capable GPU (since there are rumors that there may be more then one GPU). and possibly an i7 (i5 will be acceptable if it means the price is way less). Do you guys thing that this thing will possibly come out to be in the 1200$ or so range. 1300 is about the max I can possibly hope to go.

 

Starting prices:

Envy 15 - $1099
Envy 17 - $1249

Details on what the starting SKUs hold, as far as CPU and GPU, are still under NDA.

 

Hmm, I hope to god the 1080p is 100 dollars or less and I don't need to upgrade GPU. This thing could get pricey quickly.

Edit: Does anybody know how much they asked for the Radiance upgrade on the Envy 14. I can't imagine that itll be much if any more then that since it was such an uncommon size.

 

the pricing history on the envy 14 from what I can remember is...

original price


1099.99 with radiance display by default. I think this was the only option at the start. Later on, the radiance screen was a 200 dollar addon but the base price for the 720p ish screen was 999 instead, still, effectively a 100 price increase for the radiance panel. Later the radiance display cost 300 dollars to add.

Then it was gone, returned for a bit, then was gone forever.


I think the price increase for the radiance was due to scarcity though, that should be less of an issue with the more standard 15.6" display size. Though the 15 is the first to get an ips display on the consumer line in god knows how long. To add the dreamcolor 1080p ips display on the elitebooks, hps business class line, they charge over 400 dollars for the privelage. That is probably an even higher end ips panel though with the whole 1 billion colors and essentially ~180 degree viewing angles though.


But who knows. I am typing on a black friday special hp dv6 notebook now, but am going to return this notebook and try out the envy 15, it'll be my first higher end notebook, this normal fare is no longer cutting it for me.

In my case I don't need the graphics to be super high, it just needs to be able to handle league of legends at 1080p, and star wars TOR, I think it will be able to do that just fine.

 

Hoping for some coupons or discounts at the time of roll out, I just don't feel like paying $1500 for 17". Still using my Envy 14 that go with 30% Bing cashback deal.

 

whats the likelihood of a 30% coupon at launch, or any coupon for that matter?

does HP typically offer them?

 

My hunch is don't count on it. December is prime holiday sales time, not discount season, and curiously take a look at a series of expiring hp coupon dates.

HP® Coupon Code, HP® Coupons, HP® Promo Codes



now maybe we will see a whole new series of discounts, or maybe there will be a large black hole of bargains until January as the suck the early adopters those extra drops of cash. The price of being first.

 

HP offers a bunch of them but they're usually for the non-envy notebooks (e.g. dv6/dv7). I can only remember them offering a 30% coupon for the envy once.

 

There have been around 4 of not 5 since Ive been looking for a new laptop....all for the Envy that is. And this is since February of this year...

 

They say that the Envy 15 will start at $1099 but what can we expect at this price, performance-wise? Are we gonna need to upgrade everything in order to have a high performance laptop and is it gonna end up at $1600?

 

Apparently the HP envy 15 (new) will come with a ATI Radeon 7670m....According to this source.

HP Envy 15-3000 Notebook PC series specifications - HP Home & Home Office products

 

15.6" FHD HP BrightView LED Display (1920x1080)

This tells a lot...

 

one of the two has an error ( Details zu anstehenden 28-nm-Grafiklösungen von AMD - 21.11.2011 - ComputerBase)
HP: 1GB GDDR5
COMPUTERBASE: 1GB GDDR3

 

The new Envy 15 line looks like the perfect laptop , although we still don't know how much battery life it has, claims to have 6.5 hours (aprrox.) but probably will be much less :/.

 

Yea lol, although you would trust HP's website more, because it is it's official website? But wouldn't it be Gddr5 (because of it being release in a later year)? Unless the envy's gfx card is going primitive lol

 

GDDR5 would make sense by now, but those lower range products often have slower RAM. We'll see

 

It's suppose to be a premium laptop, so hopefully it will have GDDR5

 

claim is 9 hours for the 15 and 9.5 for the 17.

dont know where you read 6.5

 

I think I read it from another thread so it might be wrong, but 9 hours! Sounds very exaggerated......

Edit: I got the 6.5 hours from a video on YouTube about the HP envy 15 2011 from their channel.

 

HP told different numbers in their announcment and on their website, again, we'll see ^^

 

Anyone know when and which stores will be selling this awesome laptop in Australia?

 

A coupon deal would be nice but I doubt this will happen. HP will likely try to bleed early adopters for as much cash as they can. Early adopters almost always pay a premium.

 

When the Envy 14 was released, there was a 25% discount if I recall correctly.

 

nah. the envy 14 on release (gen 1 anyway) had no discounts beyond the 10% student discount you could get.

'course the moment the cto-1100 came out they put out some stuff (though around this time they were running out of radiance screens as well)

 

Found this link when searching for disassembly instructions for my ENVY 17t 2100

This is HP's end of life disassembly guide for the Next Gen ENVY 17 coming in December. Notice the volume control nob on page 33. This is what confirmed for me that we are definitely looking at the next-gen ENVY 17. They have definitely done some major re-engineering. There are still two 2.5" slots. The whole internal structure looks to be made of aluminum. The battery is proprietary and not removable unless you take the bottom cover off. There are only two RAM slots and it may have an option of an AMD A-Series processor ( page 32 )
Cooling is now done via two fans and both blow out the rear of the case.

Just passing along info.

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalciti...iCountry/disassembly_notebo_2010510131456.pdf

 

Could you find the same one for the 15" model ? thanks for your digging

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/globalciti...Country/disassembly_notebo_20111116213653.pdf

Seems legit ?

Looks like theres one envy 15 with aluminium unibody bottom ? And another one with black plastic bottom ? What the heck.

 

Wow! Have the Envy's always been like this to take apart. By comparison the DV7t 6000 cto is a breeze!!

 

I wonder if that means the battery will be part of the machine's warranty.