New Pavilion DV7/DV6 available this spring unveiled!

Ranking will be because the clock speed is rated 650MHz on the HD 6570 vs 600MHz on the HD 6650, closing the gap. The HD 6650 will be faster by ~10% due to the extra streams on the core. But the HD 6570 will kick with GDDR5 support, which is double the bandwidth of GDDR3 in most cases.

I am hoping that HP will use GDDR5 with either the 6600 or 6700 series, as these use an extra 80 streams, for a total of 480. Has 24 Texture Units

vs

The current DV6 Sandy Bridge with 6500 series is quoted as this:
The AMD Radeon HD 6570M (or ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6570) is a renamed version of the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730, 5750, or 5770 with support for GDDR5. Has 400 streams and 20 Texture Units.


In theory, if both used GDDR5 then the 480 streams / will win out at equal clocks. The only other difference to note will be the clock speed.

400 streams @ 600MHz = 480 stream @ 500MHz

Therefore a 6600 or 6700 series card should be 20% faster clock for clock, if the memory is the same, type, bus, and speed.

From what I read, 6500, 6600, 6700, is still all old tech from the 5000 series.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for any kind for HD 6800 in a Pavilion.

One thing that HP has got wrong is (if I remember correctly, due to my HP being recalled), the HD 6570 in the DV6 and DV7 should actually be called a HD 6550M as it only has a stock speed of 600MHz!

 

Very nice explanation, T2050! Thank you! I've just been schooled

Then I put my hopes on the 6600/6700 w/ GDDR5 series over the 6500 series in the current DV6. Especially since I already am already using HD 5730 in my MSI laptop. So I'm looking to upgrade rather than just get a renamed GPU

 

Exactly, that what I am hoping for too. I don't think it much to ask for, we know already GDDR5 is confirmed.

So it either going to be the same HD 5570 with GDDR5

or with some luck

Any kind of HD 6600 / HD 6700 with GDDR5 support added by HP


Moving forwards, I would think it is possible, and a highly likely outcome.

 

Only the 6500M series is a rebrand (out of those three). There are no 480-core parts in the 5000 series.

And, after the various overheating issues this craptop (yep) has given me, which has forced me to stop playing games on it entirely, I'm pissed that they didn't think of this a year earlier. Now all I can do is send this piece of crap in for repairs, since I know I can't afford a new laptop right now (especially since I want the Quad Edition as I really need a quad core at this point).

 

The 480 Stream processors should be still based on the "old" 5D architecture similar to the 5000 series.

This text is direct from:

AMD Radeon HD 6650M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
AMD Radeon HD 6750M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

I think I rather take notebookchecks advice first, until it is proven otherwise conclusive, that it still the same architecture with an extra 80 streams added for the two new branded 6600M / 6700M names.

 

By that logic, the desktop 6900 series cards are the only new cards in the entire 6000 series, since those are the only ones that use the 4D arch, thus meaning that all 6000M cards are rebrands. If it has a different number of SPs, it doesn't use the same chip. There are no parts in the 5000 series with 480 SPs, but there are 6000 series GPUs with 480 SPs. It's a new chip which uses an old (but refined) architecture. You can't add SPs to a chip and still call it the same chip, unless you think that the extra 80 SPs were already there, but disabled. They may be "similar," but that would be in the way that the 5000 series is similar to the 4000 series (which was also 5D).

 

I was hoping that the mobile tech would be new, or should I say refined.

The desktop variants appear to be based on the newer series, and with 480 streams, that what one would think the same applys to the mobile with the same amount of stream.

The internet has conflicting information depending on where information is sourced.

The HD 6570 and the HD 6670 are both based on AMD's Turks chip that features 480 stream processors and 512MB or 1GB of GDDR5 memory paired up with a 128-bit memory interface. The faster, HD 6670 works at 800MHz for the GPU and 1000MHz (4.0Gbps) for the GDDR5 memory. These specs are enough for 768 GFLOPS of single precision compute power.

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Exactly. The 6600M/6700M series is based on that very same core (Turks). It's more or less the same chip. Notebookcheck has never been the best place for information, since they typically make assumptions when they aren't sure, or they make vague, misleading comments. What Notebookcheck said is simply that it uses the 5D arch AMD has been using for quite some time, rather than the 4D arch in the desktop 6970 series. Rest assured; the 6600M/6700M series is a true 6000 series chip and not a rebrand.

 

Me likey... if this comes with a stronger GPU 6850 at least- great alternative to the high end gaming notebooks! $1000+ vs $1500 at least to match Hp's configuration? For an additional 15-20% gain in GPU power? No thank you.

 

uber sexy woot woot!

 

Ok so I am pretty new to the laptop world and I was wondering if before the new laptops are released will you be able to pre-order one? And also how quickley do you normaly get the laptop after you order one when they just come out (is it the same or longer time than if you order one thats been out for a while like the current DV6's)?

 

usually takes 7 days- then shipping 2-3 days

 

When are the new 17.3 Pavilions with the fixed Sandy Bridge chips supposed to be available?

 

Spring... the initial release was planned for Feb 27th but this has been pushed back to March/April time frame. This really depends on how quickly Intel recovers from there "issues" and starts shipping the new chipsets to the vendors.

I am still hoping for a March release.

 

talked to an HP business sales rep- they will have a better pic on 2/28 due to having to take care of the recalls- but it would be mid/end-March

 

I do really hope they offer the 6850 with the dv series- it is confirmed for the envy! The article did mention that they would offer features for the envy for the dv series also.

 

There's no way this is getting the 6850M or even the 6830M. I really don't have a clue how you guys came to such a strange conclusion. It's a mid-range laptop, so it will use a mid-range GPU. Also, 15-20% compared to what?

At the risk of being even more of a downer, it's also not getting a higher resolution.

HD = 1366x768
HD+ = 1600x900
FHD = 1920x1080

So, nothing is changing there. I know we all want these changes, but stuff like this is being reserved for the Envy line. If the Pavillions get it, there will be no reason to buy an Envy.

 

Some features of the envy series, not all of it. If they did the all most important aspect of the envy, there's no point of the envy series ie better screen, dual band wireless, slightly better video card. split battery.

 

They started shipping the revised chipset on Monday.

 

what I wish we knew is (1) when Intel production will be ramped up to full volumes, (2) when motherboard mfg will be able to turn product around and ship to HP in full volumes, and (3) when HP will be able to ramp up their production with the new MBs.

 

QFT. As much as we all would love higher res screens and high-end GPUs, it just is not going to happen.

 

We will see- hope is always a nice thing to have

 

I just don't understand why they don't offer 1600x900. Almost no 15-inch non-business laptops offer it. Dell doesn't, Toshiba doesn't, Sony doesn't, and HP doesn't. Why is it so hard to put 1600x900 on a 15-inch?

 

It is cheaper to not offer it and the average user does not care at all.

 

The purpose is to push you to pay more for their higher end consumer laptop for those who does care.

 

Well, I guess if you want 1080p you're okay (Dell XPS 15, etc.) but all I want is a high-end 15-inch 1600x900 laptop and it doesn't exist outside of the business laptops which I am not interested in (IBM Thinkpad, Toshiba Tecra, DEll Latitude, etc).

I've decided that I'm fine to settle for 1366x768, but it would be nice if they offered it as all...

 

Well the writer who saw the new dv6s was pretty impressed with the features and said a lot of envy features were implemented-we will see how it plays out.

 

I believe that the Alienware 15in has a 1600x900 screen starting and that's pretty high end.

 

The screen part is confirmed from their wording. As for the graphics, that goes well beyond "hope" and really just dreaming. Even with the improved vent placement, there's no way that a 6850M could be properly cooled in such a thin 15.6" laptop with only one fan (and it's probably not even that great of a fan).

 

Ok,

So, I suspect since these won't be available to purchase until March? April? May? or even possibly June? (hopefully not that long) then we shouldn't expect any refreshes/updates additional updated features etc until OCT/NOV

Correct?

 

mid or late march -that is the unoffical word from HP. They will get a better picture after 2/28.

 

hp doesn't give unofficial words, but any random sales rep can give an opinion. is that where this estimate comes from? what is the source of the unofficial word?

 

Why are you guys still debating on the availability??

HP executives mention many times on the unveiling date that orders is set to begin February 27.

That ties perfectly nice with the availability of the new SB processors. Inter started shipping the redesign unit on February 14th.

Be patient is 10 more days hopefully they will manage meet this day.

 

+1
If price is their concern then just offer it as an upgrade option for the many who would want it on the DV6. I'd gladly pay $50-150 to upgrade to a HD+ screen.

The rest of the specs of this laptop is almost perfect.

 

I must have missed that. which executives? when did they say that, and in what form did they make this announcement? the official word,given back on 8 Feb is "spring" availability

 

I talked to a busines sales rep - we just have to wait and see come around 2/27 or March. If it does not have an improved GPU-not buying. What for? Might as well go for a sager np5160 - SB with GT540 with optimus. About $770 something. W/ OS $860. The 540's performance should range between a 5650 and 5730 ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html). It has OK looks but would not compete with the new DV6 aesthetically.

 

If it has GDDR5, then unless they went with one of the very low-end cards, it'll beat the 540M for sure. The quad editions used the 6570M, so it'll be at least that (though I think that 6670M is very likely as well).

 

Just because it isn't in the preview video, I wouldn't assume that they won't have it as an option. The video is for the DV6 and not the DV6 Select Edition. The current SE has the optional touchscreen and backlit keyboard. The backlit option wasn't in the video you linked, so one shouldn't assume that just because it isn't specifically mentioned in the video, that it won't be available as an option on the SE version.

 

It's for the regular version, the Select Edition, and even the Quad Edition. Don't get your hopes up.

 

I agree with @City Pig. They specifically mentioned the options of Simple Pass Fingerprint reader, Blu Ray and Max. Hard Drive Capacity in the Press Statement if not in the Video. So, i wonder why would they keep Backlit Keyboard and Touchscreen as an option and not mention it in the press release? As for the last year, it was all over the news and gadget sites about the first touchscreen Dv6? They removed the touchscreen considering the sales of it, most probably. Sad Enough! But how come Backlit Keyboard can be chucked out of the scene?

 

But they did talk about the backlit trackpad so idk why they would offer that without a backlit keyboard. The touchscreen I don't think will be offered but I can't say for sure.

 

I doubt the options are gone, just not specifically mentioned, just as the backlit keyboard was not mentioned in the previous video, but was an option. The way they are configurable, they can't mention all the options.

The ability to have the touchscreen is one of the only differences between the mainstream DV6 and the DV6 Select Edition. Besides, it would defy logic to take a options away, especially touchscreen since it was their only non-tablet notebook to have it and it just basically uses the same technology as their loarger touchscreen desktops.

Only time will tell and I can be hopeful. Those options were the reason why I began looking at the DV6 series to begin with. Since they are taking orders for the new lines ( HP® Official Store —Buy HP Laptops, Notebook PCs, Printers, Desktop Computers, Handhelds, Scanners, Monitors, and Calculators direct from HP), I have contacted Sales asking about available options.

 

That used to be be the case. Look at them now.

 

The drivers and software for these notebooks are starting to get posted and it looks like these new notebooks will have the following graphics configurations:

Code:

[B]PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6760= "AMD Radeon HD 6470M"
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0116= "Mobile Intel(R) HD Graphics"
PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6740= "AMD Radeon HD 6770M"
PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0126= "Mobile Intel(R) HD Graphics"[/B]

[System Information]
SysId01=0x1659
SysName01=HP Pavilion dv7
SysId02=0x165A
SysName02=HP Pavilion dv7
SysId03=0x1656
SysName03=HP Pavilion dv6
SysId04=0x1657
SysName04=HP Pavilion dv6
SysId05=0x1658
SysName05=HP Pavilion dv6
SysId06=0x3581
SysName06=HP Pavilion dv6
SysId07=0x3582
SysName07=HP Pavilion dv6
SysId08=0x3583
SysName08=HP Pavilion dv6

Switchable graphics also seems to be available in these notebooks.

ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp51501-52000/sp51585.cva
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp51501-52000/sp51585.html

 

So it looks like ATI 6770M is the one. Now we need a confirmation of a full 1080p display, that will make many, many people very happy.

I wonder how much of a performance difference is between the 6770 and the 6850 that should be in the upcoming Envy 17.

 

The 6770 is a decent jump from the 5650/6550 I suppose. Still doesn't touch the 6850, though.

 

I hope that the HD 6770M is available for the DV6 (not just the DV7)!!! That's a very decent upgrade from my current HD 5730M! Switchable graphics? FTW!

With HD+ (900) or FHD (1080) display, I would be sold instantly. For now, it is still very likely this will be my laptop though.

 

I'm beginning to consider saving for this and selling my current dv6, since I could really use a quad core for some things I do and I can't OC my 5650. Though, I'm not sure it's worth it...

 

You can't OC your 5650?

 

Nope. No matter how little I push the core, it becomes unstable, and my cooling ststem was obviously put together by a blind child with the most severe case of ADD this word has ever known. The memory can get fairly high (about 950), but the GPU already reaches 90C when gaming on stock clocks so that OC is unusable in the first place. Not only that, but it's getting worse and worse, and I can't send it for repair right now because I got for school and need it now, and they'd probably say that my warranty is void after seeing the slightly dented corner of the lid caused by it dropping. I wanna smash this thing to pieces sometimes...

/angry rant

Seriously, though, I didn't think that any laptop would ever actually use the 6770M. Not bad, HP, not bad at all. A 6830M would have been nicer, though.