Noisy dv6000z, will dv6000t do better?

Hello guys,

I've got a little issue with my brand new HP Dv6000z. It's a cool piece apart from one issue that bothers me so much that I am thinking of truly returning it back and 1)get a DV6000t instead or 2)go for ASUS F3F Ap007H.

Now it seems that some other "z" users have had problems with noise(excessive fan activity...every 2-3 minutes the second fan would spin for around 30-40 seconds even if I do not work on the computer at all). Do you think that an Intel processor would do better? It's really crucial to me that the notebook is really silent - I work in the library everyday.

Second, my battery lasts for only 1,5 hour on average - again that so when I browse the web or use the word processor. Is the typical for the new 6000series? (yes I have only the 6cell battery and do not intend to buy the protruding 12 cell battery).

I've had some terrible experiences with HP service centre now and I am on the verge of not really dealing with them anymore in my life.Should I give them a chance with the DV6000t or is this a lost cause?

thank you everyone for your opinion,

christina

 

i dont think that it would bother anyone in library cause its not that loud but it does come on alot i know that much. but if you want to spend the extra dough on the t go for it whatever you thinks best for you.

 

Well, the computer in my sig, is similar to the dv600z, except for the smaller screen, and it is whisper quiet.

 

Thank you Lappy,
well the trouble is that it's not really comparable for yours has got a much smaller LCD - ie. the issue of overheating is not as likely.
anyhow, I appreciate your feedback.
would you tell me just one thing: do you get to hear the first fan constantly spinning? and what about the second one, how often do you get to hear it? (once in an hour, once in 10 minutes)?
thank you, christina

 

I would think a smaller screen would give you a bigger chance of overheating, as there is not much space in the case for the components.

 

How do you use your laptop? Do you use it on your bed or on some sort of soft cover? If so, it could be that you are blocking your air intakes and therefore causing the fan to have to run constantly. If that is not the problem it may be a faulty fan or something of that nature. I would think that this problem is not really so much to do with it being a "z" model as opposed to the "T" model. The temps I have seen for both models are pretty close to the same so I don't think that is your problem.

 

A double-post is one thing, but did you really need to post six separate threads for the same ****ing issue? I don't know whether that is more stupid than the idea that HP will let you return a laptop because it is "too noisy".

 

I agree that double posting is a no-no, but at some times it may be needed... You need to cut her some slack as she's only got 6 posts to her name, she's new and doesn't know where to post and she's freaking out about this. In addtion I bet she's running out of time to return the thing and needs some info FAST. Also consider she's had terrible experiences with HP service centre in the past.


On the idea that Hp may let you return a laptop because it's too noisy...

Well if a unit is ordered via the web, you can't test it in person you have every right to return it.

Even if you test it at a "store" you have a right to return it because at the store unless you're paying close attention you might overlook such an issue.... addtionally at allot of stores they may have the REAR of the unit raised, which is going to help cooling, make the fan run at low speed, compared to if the unit is level.


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To christina,

1: You might try raising the rear of the unit.
2: They may not have applied the thermo pad between the cpu and the heatsink evenly. One issue may be the seating of the CPU, or should I say the seating of the thermo pad that connects the cpu to the heatsink..
3: On Laphappy's input... on the screen /case size...

Two points
A: A bigger case it going to be easier to design a cooling system for.
B: The fans coming on are not really affected to any large degree by the larger screen... The screen is seperate from the housing that contains the fans. There may be a slight more bit of heat generated by the gpu if it's running at a higher resolution.. and maybe a little extra heat generated by the lamp itself.. but not much.

4: This may be debateble to some people, but during the "break in period" the machine is going to run slightly hotter than normal...

5: I had wrote up a bunch of other thoughts, but screwed up doing an edit and lost them all..

In a nutshell, there are programs that allow you to monitor the cpu temps, adjust the SPEED of the cpu, adjust the voltage... Both the Intel and AMD chips throttle BACK when cpu usage is low, and raise the speed when needed.

You need to make sure the cpu isnt' running at FULL speed all the time...


You need to snag a copy of CPU-Z, RM CLOCK? and Notebook Hardware Control.... to "see" eaxctly what temps you're running.
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Another thing, go into your power settings and make sure Laptop/mobile is selected instead of "Desktop /Server"... (Desktop /Server should make it run at full speed)

 

I've had a virtually identical issue with my second DV2000t (see specs in my signature). I thought it very annoying at first, especially given that my first DV2000t did not have that problem. I sort of got accustomed to the fan noise after a while, but am still exchanging the laptop again, though for a different issue (malfunctioning firewire port).

 

To answer the question... my fan is constantly on, but I can't hear it. It never starts up and spins. It just constantly is on working, and as I said it is whisper quiet. And mugen, you didn't need to be so harsh on her. She is new, don't be a prick.

 

Man, so many issues with these HP's. Im lucky I got a perfect one, except for my screen which is an SEC. And I think it is of pretty good quality. Better than X-brite Eco's.

 

Christina80,

Another thing to check is to do the three finger salute

Ctrl, Alt, Delete... and see if there is a "process' that is running the cpu speed up.... If the cpu speed goes to MAX, of course the fan speed is going to increase.

 

the intel based 6000t will give you better battery life than the amd based 6000z. im not sure about the noisy bit......but yea the amd does get pretty hot.

 

I would say the heat mostly coming from the Go 7200. AMD is actually sometimes cooler than Core Duo. All hot machine comparison went to MAC book and Dell that all use Intel. For HP, if you compare 6150 and 7200 powermizer, you will find temp different, sometimes 63 C vs. 72 C.

 

no, I did not post 6 threads for the same issue. I agree that there is a some overlap between my recent posts, but that is still ver far from posting posting identical posts in different subsections of the forum.
And I don't know what is worse: someone who's sincerely in need of help and asking questions or someone like you who is of no help at all - your reply has been useles...as useless as identical posts...it did not really help me solve my questions, nor did it help solve questions of others who might be potentially facing the same issue.

 

WeAreNotAlone,
thank you for that. This proves there are people who think before they rant about others. Yes, it's exactly my situation! And I didn't want to bother others with my story about HP service centre, but can tell you it's been really horrific. Just to let others know: it came to a conclusion that one of their quality manager gave a phone call to me today advising me to return the whole thing! No kidding!

that's how i got it and I have very limited time to make use of my return policy.

 

I have already done that. Nothing works.

I am not as experienced a notebook user as others, but this has been my 5th. So I do know how laptops work generally. My previous ones were from Toshiba, IBM, HP and Dell. I've had the best experience with IBM but don't have enough money to buy a new one again. HP was very good for me too..the older versions seem not to overheat at all. It was a very silent computer.

okay, these points are well taken. Thank you for that.

well I have not tried that yet. Would you know what type of software should I use for it? Honestly though even if I tried, I still do not like the idea too much. Besides, my fan is on and cooling even if I work on the battery.

My GPU is now 47 degrees...the power level is set at balanced performance (not the best!)
My power scheme is set to: Portable/laptop
Can't tell you about my CPU temperature as i don't know where I could get this information from. Most likely would have to download some software to meassure it.

 

im getting around 2 hours from my notebook if set for power saving and used in order to conserve power.....dull screen....low processor setting etc......

so incase ur keeping ur notebook you can try this...

 

Also please post your experience with HP on the HP customer woes thread......im sure many potential customers can use it in their descission

 

I see, so there have been others experiencing this issue?

 

I did that and it seems that the CPU usage varies between 2-4% of usage up to 33% .
guess one can hardly call this extensive use of a computer . well as I mentioned before, I basically only browse the web and word process. that is all I do.

 

Rockharder,
thank you for that info. Where did you learn about this? I'd be happy to get exposed to some of the discussions about heat issues etc. if you know some good sources or threads, pls. let me know.
well if you theory holds, than my new laptop (if I order it) Asus F3F should not have problems with overheating since it'll use only an integrated graphic card. ie. it'll much weaker than what I have now - Nividia.

 

Khanak, thank you for that information.
would you know how much more would I get out of a 6 cell battery if I run on Intel?

 

it should be a bit more....everyone says tht intel is more power efficient...

if you upgrade to a 12 cell battery both your problems should be solved. there will be better air circulation due to which the fan wont be on that much as well as youd get better battery life..

however if you exchange your laptop for an intel it would mean even MORE battery life with the 12 cell battery

the choice is yours....

 

you dont have to worry about it over heating miner told me that the amd can take temps up to 125c and told me to start worrying when it got to 80c but im pretty sure yours is not even close to that mine runs at idle 46 to 48c and the fan cuts in around 50c so i wouldnt worry

 

Christina,
You need to snag a copy of CPU-Z, RM CLOCK? and Notebook Hardware Control.... to "see" eaxctly what temps you're running.

Try Google...:

CPU-Z is a freeware that gathers information on some of the main devices of your system.
CPU

* Name and number.
* Core stepping and process.
* Package.
* Core voltage.
* Internal and external clocks, clock multiplier.
* Supported instructions sets.
* Cache information.

Mainboard

* Vendor, model and revision.
* BIOS model and date.
* Chipset (northbridge and southbridge) and sensor.
* Graphic interface.

Memory

* Frequency and timings.
* Module(s) specification using SPD (Serial Presence Detect) : vendor, serial number, timings table.

System

* Windows and DirectX versio
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php


Notebook Hardware Control helps you to:

- control the hardware and system power management
- prolong the battery lifetime
- cool down the system and reduce power consumption
- monitor the hardware to avoid system failure
- make your Notebook quiet

http://www.pbus-167.com/chc.htm


RightMark CPU Clock Utility (RMClock) is a small GUI application designed for real-time CPU frequency, throttling and load level monitoring and on-the-fly adjustment of the CPU performance level on supported CPU models via processor's power management model-specific registers (MSRs). In automatic management mode it continuously monitors the CPU usage level and dynamically adjusts the CPU frequency, throttle and/or voltage level as needed, realizing the "Performance on Demand" concept.

http://cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml

Unknown Device Identifier 5.02


Freeware

Unknown Device Identifier enables you to identify the yellow question mark labeled Unknown Devices in Device Manager. And reports you a detailed summary for the manufacturer name, OEM name, device type, device model and even the exact name of the unknown devices. With the collected information, you might contact your hardware manufacturer for support or search the Internet for the corresponding driver with a simple click. With this utility, you might immediately convert your unidentified unknown devices into identified known devices and find proper driver on the Internet and contact the hardware device manufacturer or vender. Known devices recognized by Microsoft Windows will also be analyzed independent of the operating system.

Monitoring mobile ATI & nVidia Video Card Temps - Do your temps worry you?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=81690

http://www.zhangduo.com/udi.html
Heres a site with all kinds of stuff you may want to bookmark:

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best_46_free_utilities.htm#3

 

I also has the same comp. I used to have a DV5000Z model and my old comp is quieter than 6000z. However, this model is much thinner also the video card requires more power to run. You can set your power to battery optimal, I heard that will make it to almost 3 hours. Trust me the fan is on more often this is not consider noisy, I check few dell ones... they are truly Hot and Noisy. And they manage won't 80% of the time the dell comp won't break. Suck for dell buyers.
P.S I heard T model is about the same!

 

I would assume you got it thru HP Directly?

If so you have VERY little time indeed (21-days)

While I can't give an info on the other machine you're talking about, I'll give you this tidbit of info:

The best place to buy is www.COSTCO.com ,

Buying thru Costco gives you a 180 day NO hassle, get ALL your money back in minutes, on the spot, no need to box it back up (if returned to any Costco store) return window.

During that time IF their is a problem, you can either mess with sending if into repair, just like if you had purchased thru HP after your 21 day return window....

OR just return the whole thing, get all your money back, and re-order a totally new machine (with all the latest hardware revisions btw)..... and have it in about 7-10 days... Order something else they offer, or get your money back and buy something else elsewhere.


NOTE People, Don't abuse the return policy... If you don't like the unit, return it within 21-days so Costco gets a FULL credit back from HP..

Addtionally (and this is a important point!!!) When returning a unit AFTER the 21st day, thru the 180th day be SURE to state there IS a problem with the unit !!!!!!

Otherwise Costco eats the loss... IF an item is returned that is not defective in some way... Items that are returned NOT marked defective and labled "resaleable" and everything (in most parts of the country) is sold off to salvage compaines for 30 cents on the dollar.... the Salvage company agreeing to take everything, the good, the bad and the ugly so to speak.

You return a $1,500 laptop with no problems means Costco takes a HUGE loss.... You return it and it's marked resaleable and the mfg takes the loss as Costco has "agreements" in place with the mfg's (AFAIK)


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