Putting XP on my HDX Dragon.

its been a disaster, long story short, you need to boot with the XP disk in and a USB floppy disk with special drivers so that the computer recognizes the harddrives. Took about 2 days to figure that out.

Now that i am able to dual boot into XP comes the issue with drivers, or lack there of drivers. I was able to install ethernet and wireless drivers but im unable to get sound, video or quicklaunch drivers.

HP's first answer to me is that their computers are not to be running XP, they condone it. Then after they got an earful from me about how i cannot run Solidworks on their stupid Vista 64 OS and their top of the line laptop is nothing more than a $5000 paperweight to me. So all they can tell me is they are working on it.

I think its rediculous that they can realease these computers without having the drivers available to run XP on them. The entire world knows that Vista is having issues and that a large majority of programs cannot run on it.

 

Here's some HDX XP drivers for yah:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=228&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3547191&lang=en#

Everything else with the exception of the GPU shouldn't need a seperate driver. XP contains generic ones for most things.

 

don't kill me for this but in HP's defense, you should have researched drivers before buying. Especially if you know that some programs were not compatible with the pre-installed OS.

I did, and now I am only using Vista. no more XP (I just like Vista better).

 

Perhaps some research on your part should have been in order? Why did you order it with "stupid Vista 64"? If you're going to spend 5k (what did you add to it to get that high?) then you should do some legwork before blaming a company for building a system designed for the new OS.

The only people I know who are having issues with Vista are people who had problems with each OS before it, it doesn't matter if it's MAC or Windows, users are their own worst enemy and it's ALWAYS someone else to blame. I know, I have to support them...

I find it funny that you buy a top of the line machine, check the box that says 64bit Vista then complain about your programs not working, then blaiming someone else, maybe HP should have phoned you first to see if you did your homework prior to buying to save you from yourself.

If my post seems harsh, it's because I have to clean up after people like this everyday. I could write pages and 90% of the time I love my users, they keep me working, but the crap they pull and blame on others is legend.

I spent all of 5 seconds researching Solidworks, this was posted back in MARCH, guessed you missed it.

 

You're 100% right. By the way, how do you like that Acer Ferrari 5005WlMi?

 

I purchased the HDX because i really liked my previous HP, also i wanted to buy from an American company. I purchased it because it had a 20" screen, i knew that it came with Vista 64 and that Solidworks 2008 would not run on Vista 64. So i knew that i would need to spend the extra money on the XP software. I have no problem with Vista, its neat, but i cant be productive with it. Its cool for surfing the web and playing with multimedia.

Somebody asked why it was soo much money, because i got every optional upgrade you could get for it. 4G ram, 500GB HD, Intel 7900, ect.... it was an investment into my business.

I am upset because it is common knowledge that Vista is not widely accepted and there is alot of software that will not run on it. There are millions of people downgrading to XP (Microsoft must be making a killing off that alone). I beleive that HP should be aware of this and accomidate their customers that need to do business and use their machines to earn a living. The drivers should be immediately available for this reason, because it is costing people like myself money to not be able to do design work on it. If i knew that there would be this much of an issue i would have purchased the 20" Dell machine with XP already installed on it.

 

The machine was designed from the outset for Vista, your arguments are the exact arguments people had when XP came out and didn't have any more merit then.

It's not HP's fault you didn't do your homework on XP running on the Dragon however you can get XP working on it, I have a spare drive I installed XP on for testing and it is possible.

It just takes some time to find the right drivers to do it. People who use computers to make a living don't buy a tool that is very clearly advertised built for Vista when your software isn't designed for it, and funnier yet, you knew it and bought it anyway and make it HP's fault for building a kick ass computer with forward thinking, what was HP thinking? How you still don't get this is kind of strange...

 

Dear Sir,

I recommend that you look into virtualization products such as VmWare Workstation, that will allow you to run multiple operating systems at the same time. I believe Microsoft has a free product that does this, however, I believe VmWorkstation is a much better product, and if you really want to be productive, it is worth every cent.

I am currently running Vista 64 on my DV9500T, however, I am posting from a window running Windows XP. I am also running a copy of Ubuntu 64, and a copy of Windows 2000.

Simply install VmWorkstation, build an XP Virtural Machine, and install the software you need. VmWorkstation can even create a virtural machine from another PC (most of the time anyway).

Using VMWorstation, your productivity will soar. I do not run any software from my host (the DV9500T), except perahps to play a DVD. Everything else gets run for virtural machines. If you are carefull to isolate your host machine, you can even get by without antivirus software that will slow your machine down, as VMWorkstation has a snapshot capibility allowing you to save a given state of a virtural machine, and to take you back to a given snapshot point. Simply put, if you get a virus, you simply snapshot back. This feature is also great for installing software to test, since you do not have to uninstall to get rid it.

Sounds like VMWare Workstation will solve your problem, with no need to create a dual boot machine.

Joe

 

Viking sounds like a HP customer service rep to me, this must be your oppertunity to tell people to shove it.... ok, so its my fault that i wanted to stay loyal to a company that i had good luck with in the past. I guess i should have just gone with Dell because at least they live in the real world and understand that Vista is not yet practical for everybody, they offer their systems with XP. I am sure Vista will be fine down the road like XP was, but its not right now.

As far as running a Virtual Machine setup, its not practical for me because you are now consuming twice as much ram because you are running 2 Operating Systems at the same time. I need as much available RAM possible to run Solidworks to its best potential.

 

At least you get Vista 64 over there We British only get Vista 32 so even though we have 4gb ram we can only use 3gb Hmmmmmmmm go figure

 

No, I own a computer business and support users who constantly buy the wrong tool for the job, then blame the tool they bought instead of blaiming themselves for buying the wrong tool. This has nothing to do with the HDX and all to do with you not doing your homework. It doesn't surprise me however that you would say I must be an HP employee, thats much easier than admitting you bought the wrong machine.

You spent 5k to be loyal?!?!? Is that more important than buying the right machine for the job? Since you lack the ability to handle a switch to XP perhaps you should have bought the Dell since it does come with something easy for you to use. Yes, it is your fault for buying something you clearly aren't capable of using. Vista is fine right now, so now you'll say I'm a Microsoft employee, what you don't understand, and many others don't as well is that if you switch to a new OS, wether it be Vista, Leopard or at the time XP, you make sure FIRST that the software you bought for the previous OS works with the NEW OS, if it doesn't work make sure you can handle the switch to the older OS or buy something else.

I agree to a degree, you can't handle a simple switch to XP, having to dual boot or Virtualize would be beyond you, which you would then blame on someone else because they didn't make the task simpler.

Even now you blame HP for a mistake you made, astounding. I'm not sticking up for HP, I'm telling you only a moron would spend 5k to be loyal knowing the whole time it was the wrong choice, I mean holy crap man, I digress even after this you'll be unable to understand so I give up.

You're the type of guy who buys a Corvette with 4 kids to haul around then blames Chevy for not providing a real back seat for you.

Happy Thanksgiving by the way...

 

ROFLMAO! Three cheers for Viking! Happy turkey day.

 

ok, i guess im a moron because my primary buisness is not computer support, to each his own, i am an mechanical engineer not a computer wiz. Yes i will agree with you about buying the wrong system, for now, untill they come out with the right drivers or until Solidworks comes out with a version that is compatibale with Vista 64. There are many good reasons i bought the system, but i would not have known that i would have had these issues untill i already installed XP and ran into them. The reasearch that i did and the computer professionals that i know told me that this was possible. And they tell me the same thing, HP should have had the drivers for this already finished and tested.

You obviously have anger issues because you totaly took this far beyond our computer discussion. I personally take pleasure in your anger because i hear in your words that i am not alone out there, and you owning a buisness that deals with this crap on a daily basis must be extremely amusing to watch. I see all over the blogs that people are disgusted with Vista, i have read numerous articles about how buisness will not run it on their systems. Example:

http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?fc_c=1064508x2211925x55855465&id=58456

You can preach to me all you want about how Vista is superior but i am telling you as a business owner, it is useless to me. For computer manufactures to force it on their customers at this point is lunacy, and all of this goes back to my original point

"if HP is going to force Vista on you, and they know millions of people are switching back to XP immediately, then they should have the XP drivers ready when they launch their product."

but you will probably tell me that all of the people out there switching back are ignorant morons, like myself. haha.

 

That's the probelm when you buy something and wants it to perform in another way.

It's a Vista stick with it.

 

No, you're not a moron, your a person who just doesn't seem to "get it". You don't need to be a computer pro to research buying the right machine for the job.

If you know people who claim to be computer pro's and they expect HP to pony up drivers for an OS the HDX wasn't designed for, then THEY are morons and it starts to make sense why you seem to be clueless.

A person like you would take pleasure in someone's anger, and if they aren't angry you'll just tell yourself they are to make yourself feel better. In fact when I respond to you I'm laughing pretty good, I hope you're better at your job than you are at buying computers, because you suck at buying computers.
Me having to deal with users on a daily basis is sometimes a source for amusement but I take good care of them and thankfully many do call prior to making the kind of mistake you made but none of my customers have requested to go from Vista back to XP. Many issues with Vista is the person sitting at the keyboard, these same people hated XP when it came out, people don't like big change. I've been running Vista with no issues on more than 100 computers, but hey, it's so much easier to blame the OS than to look at one self as the cause for issues, so you're one of those, I get it.

I'm not angry at all, I find people like you a good source for income. So if you think I'm angry and that makes you happy you're just more clueless and ignorant than I thought when I read your first post. You are ALONE in buying the HP HDX which was designed for Vista and expecting a program that Solidworks states won't work with Vista 64 to work with Vista 64 and also expecting HP to make drivers for a machine they didn't design around XP. I don't take pleasure in your utter stupidity, I look at you like I look at a cat who keeps running into the wall chasing a laser light over and over again, kinda pathetic really but expected from a cat, you, I guess can't help it either.

Wow, you figured out how to find something, you put more effort into finding bad things with Vista than you spent researching the $5,000 computer you bought, congrats! Guess what, XP had driver issues and software compatibility issues when it was new as well, only thing is today people don't remember back 6 years or how many people complained online about how bad XP was, in fact prior to SP2 XP wasn’t much to brag about.

Um, where did I say Vista was better? I didn't, what I said and you seem incapable of getting is you bought a computer knowing it wouldn't run your software and you blame HP because they installed an OS you didn't have to buy it with. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy Vista, if the machine you're looking at only ships with Vista and you want XP, you have the ability to buy something else, if you don't then look in the mirror for the reason why you're stuck, not HP. Who FORCED you to buy the HDX, HP DESIGNED THE HDX FOR VISTA, you CAN install XP but you have to actually do some legwork to do so, why not ask one of your computer pro friends, that should be good for a laugh or two. Ask them why HP didn't intended to put out a complete set of drivers for XP, if they are indeed computer pro's they'll have an answer, if not, they don't know jack about hardware.

I think it's unfortunate that many people are switching back, but I bet they verified they could go back prior to buying, which you didn't. Makes them a tad smarter than you. Then again, many people were able to switch to XP on the HDX, this says something as well...

I never said anybody switching back are morons, I said someone who buys a computer that has Vista 64 on it then complains on a forum about how stupid Vista 64 is and HP is, must be a moron when he should have listened to Solidworks back in March when they said it won't work and even today state that it won't work, yet you bought it anyway and expect others to conform to you instead of you buying the right machine to begin with.

Don't mistake a lengthy response as anger, as much as that would please you, I had time to burn and was bored at work today and your inability to understand a simple thing as what has been discussed here is indeed, a great source of entertainment.

 

Totally agree, very well said there.....

 

Nicely said, enjoyed reading that.

 

I dont have the time for this anymore, if it makes you feel better inside and you feel like you accomplished something, you can believe you made a difference. You obviously have alot of time on yours hands.

If all 100 of your customers have not wanted to go back to XP then thats fine, you probably dont cater to many businesses. I did not hunt for that link, it was sent to my email in a weekly newsletter form SEMA.

I chose the HDX because it had the horsepower and the screen size that i wanted in a laptop. and, Yes i am still pissed that there are no drivers, nothing will change that.

 

HP can't help people with XP, they're not set up to do it.

After people beg and beg, they refer them to my guide below.

The concepts in the guide will work for any computer or laptop, it's just a question of getting all the drivers before you start, and backing up the \SWSETUP folder to a DVD. People immediately come back and ask if I can do it for them. No, I can't. The best idea is to download the free version of Everest and CPUID, find what hardware you have, then go looking for drivers.

 

cuseboy19,

As robvia suggested above, the best you can hope for is that someone with a similar setup to yours figured out how to setup XP. The best I can suggest other than returning the HDX and getting a system with XP would be post/start a new thread in the forums and hopefully anyone of us can help with the drivers. There are several guides on the forum from which you should be able to get the drivers. Plus HP offers some business notebooks like the 8510p with Win XP and ATi HD2600. Give those drivers a try since manufacturers usually use the same hardware across several series.

 

I hate to chime in here and beat a dead horse. But you did buy a Pavilion. In my understanding of HPs advertising Pavilion models are meant for home use, which is why they are not in the "Business" section of HP.com. Vista is perfectly fine for someone using a computer at home who isn't much of a wiz.
I needed a notebook with XP (because my companies VPN client has yet to successfully work with Vista) and I searched and searched. I found the perfect HP model to fit my needs, and oddly enough it even came with XP OR Vista as an option, so I went with the former.
I have a hard time understanding why 20.1" is even necessary for a notebook, the HDX to me is nothing more than an all-in-one desktop (much like the iMac or new XPS Desktop).
I understand the frustration I guess, but as everyone said, you should have properly done your research first. I was about to shell out money for a dv9500 until I saw how much trouble people were having getting XP running. So I went out and found my 8710p which was preconfigured with XP.
I love on the internet how things get personal, I must say you and Viking are both acting like children, and although his original post could have been a bit more civil, it is the way of internet message boards. It usually goes down like this
1) new poster either
a. asks a stupid question that is located in the FAQs
and/or
b. complains about something that is common knowledge to the frequent users of the forum.
then
2) The new poster gets the sh!t kicked out of them (verbally of course, no one who actually posts on the internet is that tough )
and finally
3) It gets personal, each person makes outrageous assumptions about the other, based off of what has been said thus far, they both conclude the other is an idiot and claim they are "finished with the thread"


But irregardless, I sure hope by being rude to each other over the internet helped out your egos enough to sustain another day.

 

I only set out to explain something to you, you are completely and utterly incapable of common sense so it's probably a good thing you give up, I expected nothing more from you at this point.

I should have figured you didn't search for the article, that would have been a change from the norm. I have plenty more than 100 customers, I said 100 computers, there is a difference. Who I cater to has nothing to do with the argument you make.

Well, lesson for the future, now try to remember, when a new OS comes out, companies will design and build systems around that new OS, without drivers for the previous OS, it happened with XP and it happened with Vista and it will happen with the next OS, which I'm sure you'll expect to buy without proper research either.

 

I have a seperate HD set with XP on my HDX so if I need to support XP I am ready for this type of situation and I mean no dis-respect to you or this forum when I say this, but hell will freeze over before I post how I did it for this guy to get his going. I agree with you he should be able to compile the drivers, but he expects others to do the work.

 

Agreed 100%

He could have done the same, unless he bought from a place that didn't allow for options.

You answered your own quandry, it's not really meant as a laptop even though it has the body. I use it as one because it has the mobility, screen size, brightness and resolution I need. HP had people like me in mind when they designed this laptop and it works like a charm. Quickplay for HD DVD could be improved, but that's another thread.

So, we have you to thank for not quite going to our level then, thanks.
I don't feel I responded to the original poster to be a dick, I honestly could not figure out how a guy could spend 5 large and not do any research then complain about how it's not working for him like he thinks it should. I do think he's an idiot and feel he did a good job of proving it, you want to be the internet cop who has to chime in but is above the fray. Clealry I have not "finished" with the thread.

My ego was fine to begin with, I feel I was trying to explain something to someone without common sense something that he simply couldn't understand. Had he actually posted a thread asking for help, he would be running XP right now because I would have helped. You are right that I didn't have to respond, just like if it bothered you so much you didn't have to read it or post about it, but you still did and while you did it in a way so you don't feel you were being rude, you still joined the fray. Do you feel better now?

 

I more added the last part to be funny, I guess it was missed I have no hard feelings whatsoever, I completely understand the "tone" of your first post. Again, I really don't think you two are that childish
I was just trying to make a point.

I am sure the HDX is a great machine, I dunno, I guess it just isn't for me. I like the portability (hell, I have a 17" notebook) but I guess that 20.1" is just too large for me to be lugging around.

But again, as for bashing HPs home line for not being productive in a business environment is beyond me.

 

Agreed, you brought up valid points and tone is hard to get when you can't hear the person. The biggest reason for me getting the HDX aside from just plain wanting it is my eyes are having issues, the screen size and WUXGA screen and its brightness (it will give you a tan by the way, holy crap it can be bright) make up for the issues of hauling it around.

I am going to document an XP build for a thread next week so this guy will be able to follow along and install his program.

 

Great, thanks in advance.

from a unhappy vista user

 

Nyko,

What issues have you been having? Sometimes the issues are easy to resolve with a little help. Post 'em all and if I can help I will.

 

Not a real problems but Vista is so less responsive compared to xp.
I installed xp and i like its velocity in ordinary tasks, but i cant find audio driver (and tv tuner).
Hope you can help me.

 

With just the info you've provided, I have to assume you installed Vista on older hardware. Can you provide system specs?

 

I originally posted in frustration because of the response that i received from HP when inquiring about drivers. I came to this blog in hopes that somebody might be able to point me in the right direction as to how i might get this computer up and running on XP. But the original responses from viking, just rubbed me the wrong way so i apoligise to everybody if i stooped to his level in some of my replies...........

Can anybody please assist me in finding the drivers for my HDX to run XP. I have managed to get the system to dual boot into XP, it is running. I found drivers for the network card but cannot find Video drivers or Sound drivers.

Can somebody please give me a civil answer. For the people questioning my thoughts behind purchasing the HDX for designing. I wanted the large screen, Memory and mobility of the system. I travel to customers, setup and design custom parts for them on site. Having the large screen is a huge plus for me.

Thank you, and if somebody could please help me it would be greatly appreciated.

 

sorry for misunderstanding, i installed xp on my HDX but i cant find audio driver for sigmatel stac 9271.

 

-for video driver you can try http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/
-for sound driver im in the same situation : there is no driver in all internet.

 

Thank You. It worked great. Now i need to find the sound drivers.

 

I sold my hard drive with the XP build to a customer and am not home to check where I got the sound driver.

A quick check got me this driver, I think it's the one I used.
http://www.driversplanet.com/device.php?id=73047

 

Hii @ll,

first, Im new on this board and wanted to say hello to everyone.

2. I have installed WinXP on my Hp Pavillion HDX 9130EG but have like all the others here the same problem with the sound drivers. The only one that works is from Intel ( motherboard with STAC9271 ). It only works over the Headset plug.

It would be very nice of you "viking396" if you could help to find the right drivers. Seems like you had one on your previos harddrive but sold it to a customer.

You are our last hope, so please find some spare time to look for it. We're about to get crazy with this Sound issue. Im on some other forums aswell and we are searching for a solution on this topic but no progress at all

Hope viking396 can help us out. Thx in advance

Bye

 

I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow night, should be able to post something by Wednesday.

 

Thanks viking396

Hope you will find something helpfull.

See you tomorrow then

bye

 

shot in the dark...

have you tried this one?

http://drivers.softpedia.com/progDownload/HP-Pavilion-HDX-CTO-Audio-Driver--A-Download-39391.html

 

Also, could somebody post exactly what the sound card / driver says in device manager on vista so its easier for people to look for?

 

while doing research, it looks like the sound card is a "sigmatel IDT STAC9271" (not sure if that last number is exactly right), I went to sigmatel's website but they say they sold off the sound part to a company called IDT, which has a website at idt.com but its a manufacturer page and has no drivers on it.

 

Hi kizzle,

The driver you mentioned is for Vista only. And it doesnt work in XP. You are right with the assumption that the Sound chip is an STAC9271 and that it is produced by IDT. The problem is that Sigmatel nor IDT has any drivers for this one. There are some drivers for Intel Main boards that do the job but only half-assed. The main problem is, that with this Intel Drivers we only have sound on the Headphones and not on the main speakers. I think that's due to some configuration file that links the pins of the chip to the specific functions. There is a Data sheet for that chip on the IDT site but that doesn't help us much. None of us are professional programmers and have any knowledge in driver programming for WindowsXP.
The only hope i have is Viking396, because it seems like he found the right drivers for the sound chip.
But If you need anything i surely will try to help you. So what specific data do you need. I don't have Vista any more on my HDX but I'm sure that someone else, maybe viking396 can look for the informations you need.
The more help we get the better. So thanks in advance to all of the people who are participating in this.

 

Can you link this drivers? Only Headphones is better than no sound.

 

Its the one already posted by viking396

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/det...&OSFullName=Windows* XP Professional&lang=eng

 

J_love, I did a search for IDT on Intel's website ( http://downloadcenter.intel.com ) and several different results came up for audio drivers... can you try them all?

 

I can but i think i have tried every last one of them So give me your list, or post it in here

 

I have tried about 3 different drivers that i have seen out there and nothing works for me.

 

There are more then 3 drivers I found and none of them works So hopefully viking396 has found something.

 

try searching for "idt" and "sigmatel" at http://drivers.softpedia.com ... there's more results here, so cuseboy and j-love, try it out, I found about 4-5 more possibilities.

for the "sigmatel" results, try the gateway drivers and see if they work, as the others are vista drivers. also try the one result that comes up for IDT.

 

ok I have tested all of them and it doesnt work