Query Regarding AMD Turion X2 RM-72

I am in a dilemma now and hence i am posting in here. This is my first posting in this forum, and i hope i get some replies

AMD Turion X2 RM-72 - How does it fare in the notebook arena? I had decided to invest on a laptop with the above processor, but many are advising against opting for the laptop, because according to them "AMD heats up pretty fast and will ruin the laptop"

I am completely new into the field of laptops, hence i am confused.

The laptop is question is HP Pavilion dv5-1203ax ( http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/in/en/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-3744212-3864529.html)

 

If you can get Intel, go for it man.

The Intel's run cooler and faster- it's just a superior chip. Now, the performance advantages probably won't be seen on a daily basis if all you're doing is just internet browsing and simple tasks, but the heat/battery life will be noticeable consistently and constantly.

I had a DV2000 that had an AMD chip and I regretted opting for AMD- the battery life was pretty bad and it was hot. It eventually melted the bloody motherboard. I then got a DV2500 with an Intel chip and it was noticeably cooler... I won't buy AMD again, but that's just me.

Nothing really has changed since then, except that the Intel chips have gotten even more efficient. Opt for a P-series Intel chip if you can as they only use 25 watts as opposed to 35 watts in the T-series Intel chips, which equates to a cooler CPU and more battery life.

 

Well I am not going to get into the whole AMD vs Intel debate but I will tell you that the HP pavilion dv5 series; irregardless of whether it comes with an Intel processor or AMD processor will run hotter than average. HP have designed a poor cooling system which means that the dv5 pavilions are always "warmer" than they should be.

 

Actually the current Turion has the same power consumption as Intel's T-series. So in terms of heat and power consumption it should be similar. The older AMD notebook processors were kinda of crap.

As in terms of performance, an AMD processor at 2.1 Ghz will behave similar to an intels 1.8 Ghz pocessor.

 

My dv5 has turion zm processor and is not so hot. During common use (websurfing, mailing, etc...) the keyboard is just a bit warm. It never goes really hot, even with higher workloads. The 6 cell battery lasts around 2 hours.

About the cooling system actually I really preferred a more efficient design, because during sinthetic stress tests (prime95) the processor easily reaches 80°C and goes even above to 83-84°C

edit: about the cooling system design, I complain even because if I disable the "fan always on" option in the bios, even while idling, sometimes the fan spins up to cool the processor. This is not so great because my processor idles at 525 Mhz, and any 525 Mhz processor built with actual fabrication process consumes so little power that doesn't need active dissipation.

 

It was the NVIDIA chipset that melted, not the CPU. Intel motherboards with NVIDIA GPUs have had the same problem. ATI never had this problem and HP has largely switched over to them. No wonder AMD bought ATI, AMD's dependence on NVIDIA for chipsets was causing problems. The current AMD/ATI chipsets are excellent and very power efficient. ATI makes the best notebook GPUs today too.

 

Na... this was before that. We're talking about an Nvidia 6150 I believe, long before the 8xxx series debacle- which I personally witnessed in my DV2500.

CPU fried the motherboard... trust me.

Power efficient? I haven't heard AMD and power efficiency in the same sentence since the Athlon was stomping on the P4.

I am sorry, but Intel chips are more power efficient than AMDs. They are simply better guys. They are faster. More efficient. And run cooler.

The question is simple.. how does the AMD cpu fare in the CPU arena? Well, simply put, it gets outclassed by Intel CPUs rather easily. There are 101 different benchmarks and charts out there that prove that Intel > AMD. I am not a fanboy by any stretch of the imagination... but I mean.... it is what it is man.

AMD chips run hotter guys..... I mean.... they just do.

 

Yes it's true, but actually amd chips aren't so bad as you are describing. TDP is at most 35W, that's it. If your motherboard melted blame HP that probably used poor cooling system and/or insufficient power regulators.
The fact is that AMD chips worth their pricepoint. Probably next 45nm platform will be on par about efficiency with core 2 architecture.

 

Man. I ain't blaming anyone. I just wrote a personal experience of mine, that's all. If it came off as sounding like AMD chips will kill your laptop, and I honestly can't see how it did, it surely wasn't my intention.

All I am saying is that the Intel chips are better than the AMD chips.... that's it. They will run cooler and faster. And like I stated initially, odds are, you won't notice the performance increase unless you do CPU intensive tasks.

But when I say the Intel chips will be cooler and faster than the AMD chips... I really don't think I am saying anything inaccurate or beyond the truth.

 

Actually, the Go 6150 was afffected as well. I still have one(V3019US) which HP replaced under the limited warranty...that tGPU used to idle at 90C and top at 115C. No wonder people had issues. The supposedly replaced motherboard does the same as well!

 

Well, that's news to me. I personally didn't have any GPU issues to be honest. Whenever I would do anything CPU intensive, man..... it would literally burn me if I touched the bottom under the CPU. All I can say is in MY case, the CPU was the primary reason for my system tanking. There were no graphical anomalies.... I literally had no issues with the GPU. If I ran anything CPU intensive, the temps would skyrocket like crazy....... and eventually the motherboard died.

Anyway. I am done debating what happened to my bloody laptop man. CPU boned my motherboard. Believe what you want.... I was there... I tested it out..... I witnessed it.....F it man.

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Intels are faster and run cooler than AMD chips my man. G'luk.

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AMD/ATI chipsets are very power efficient, being built on TSMC's 55nm process. AMD CPUs are a little less power efficient than Intel CPUs, for now, as you said.

As miner noted, the NVIDIA 6150 chipset was most definitely one of the problem NVIDIA chips. Your old notebook is probably on this list:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01087277&lc=en&cc=us
NVIDIA was selling defective chips for years. Awful mess. NVIDIA's defective, power inefficient chipsets gave AMD a bad reputation that AMD doesn't deserve.

 

It's not on the list. Listen, alright, it was a bloody CPU issue. I don't know what I have to do to get this through to you guys. I know my OWN bloody laptop. I troubleshooted it. I lived with it. I saw the problems.. the heat..... the temps..... IN MY PERSONAL... PERSONALLY... MY OWN... MINE.... MY F'N CASE... it was a cpu issue. There is a bloody reason they sent me a new laptop with an Intel chipset and they didn't just exchange the motherboard............ F me man.

My man, you don't need to bold chipsets, I am not remedial. The poster was asking about the bloody CPU, which is what I have been talking about since post uno. In regard to the CPU, Intel's are faster and run cooler.

I am surprised there is so much f'n debate over this.... I thought like, Intel's being faster/cooler has been proven about 10948232454342432432432432423000999999999934343 times so far. Oh well.

And don't get me started on Nvidia.......

I am officially done with this thread.

 

nu_D
I dont think anyone is disputing the fact that AMD's do run hotter and less efficiently than comparable Intels but just the fact that not every AMD based system is going to overheat and destroy itself.

BTW, better watch your language. No need to circumvent the language filter.

 

Guys Relax!!!

I just wanted to know about the processor and seems like i have started a flame-war

I would like to thank all the esteemed members for replying.

 

To answer your question, I would believe that a Turion is acceptable - as is pretty much any processor these days for basic web surfing, word processing, email, spreadsheets, music, and watching movies.

Personally, I have a RM-70 processor in a HP and unfortunately it is having heating related issues. If you only have basic computing needs, I'd opt for Intel over AMD between now and the near future.

Since AMD has spun off its fabrication plant operations, I'm sure they will start to improve in due time. For now, you can't really go wrong with Intel based notebooks.

To AMD's credit, I have a 1st generation HP Turion 64 laptop that is working quite well for basic computing tasks.

 

Advantage of Turion
1)Cheap
2)Decent Performance
3)VT 100% available
Disadvantage of Turion
1)Hot (Undervolt as solution)
2)Less powerful than Intel Core 2 Duo counterparts.

 

There really nothing wrong with AMD processors is just the bad cooling in these HP units My DV6408nr before it died of a failed motherboard ran cooler than my DV5z i think we now know why that HP dropped the Dv5 series so fast maybe because of the bad cooling with these notebooks even the DV5T intels with a 9600GT card are having heating problems i tried about everything to keep my DV5Z cool, undervolting, notebook cooler but the battery life is still horrible and my old battery wore out so quickly less than 10 months because of heat so i had to buy a new battery but still i only get like 1hr and 30mins on power saver well my Dv5z has been out of waranty and i have had it for for like a year and a one month now but im just about to sell it and use that cash to buy this tosihba from best buy at a cheap price for the specs of it
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9371556&type=product&id=1218093379440

Until HP step their game up im staying away from HP consumer notebooks

 

Agree. The problem is not really related to AMD chips, since there are people on this board claiming overheating problems with dv5 models with intel chips too. They are not hotter than Intel T-series chips, but they are someway slower at the same clock frequency.

edit: here is the post related to intel processor overheating on dv5:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=394180

and the processor in that case is a P-series (a 25W TDP processor) not a 35W TDP T-series processor!