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    Solid State Drive (advantage v disadvantage)

    Discussion in 'HP' started by ghost305, Aug 18, 2010.

  1. ghost305

    ghost305 Notebook Consultant

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    can somebody who has an SSD on their core i7 laptop tell me how much faster their computer is? is it a significant improvement over an 7,200 RPM HDD?

    is it a good idea to spend 99 dollars on a 40GB SSD drive from intel?
     
  2. moviemarketing

    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    I don't know which specific Intel drive you are referring to - there are varying levels of performance and durability among SSD drives, but in general an SSD drastically improves bootup, shutdown and load times for applications. If you work a lot with large files, for example in photoshop, creative suite, video editing applications, it can significantly improve your working experience.

    Here are the benchmark results I get for the the dual Intel X18-M G2's in Raid0 which came with my laptop:

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    CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
    Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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    * MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

    Sequential Read : 522.459 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 218.955 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 257.704 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 170.739 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 10.747 MB/s [ 2623.8 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 53.788 MB/s [ 13131.7 IOPS]
    Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 250.638 MB/s [ 61190.9 IOPS]
    Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 145.501 MB/s [ 35522.7 IOPS]

    Test : 1000 MB [C: 18.7% (53.0/282.9 GB)] (x5)
    Date : 2010/04/30 15:20:52
    OS : Windows 7 Home Premium Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)
     
  3. ghost305

    ghost305 Notebook Consultant

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    specs:
    General
    Brand Intel
    Series X25-V
    Model SSDSA2MP040G2R5
    Device Type Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
    Architecture MLC
    Dimensions
    Height 9.5mm
    Expansion / Connectivity
    Form Factor 2.5"
    Capacity 40GB
    Interface Type SATA II
    Features Random 4 KB reads up to 25 K IOPS, random 4 KB writes up to 2.5 K IOPS
    Read Latency: 65 microseconds, write Latency: 110 microseconds
    Performance
    Max Shock Resistance 1,500 G/0.5 msec
    Max Vibration Resistance Operating: 2.17 GRMS (5-700 Hz)
    Non-operating: 3.13 GRMS (5-800 Hz)
    Power Consumption (Active) 150 mW Typical
    Power Consumption (Idle) 75 mW Typical
    Sequential Access - Read up to 170MB/s
    Sequential Access - Write up to 35MB/s
    MTBF 1,200,000 hours
    Manufacturer Warranty
    Parts 3 years limited
    Labor 3 years limited

    Thing is, is only 40 GB but i would still use my 500GB HD to store applications and things like that. Since the SSD would only be used for the OS and System apps, is that really an improvement?
     
  4. moviemarketing

    moviemarketing Milk Drinker

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    Is 40GB large enough to keep all your applications and windows files with some space left over?

    Newegg is selling the WD SiliconEdge Blue 128GB SSD for $199 and 64GB SSD for $139
     
  5. erple2

    erple2 Notebook Geek

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    SSD's smaller than about 80 gigs, and you have to start seriously considering what you put on them. You definitely want your applications on the SSD, but all of the data can go on the external drive.

    Is the price worth it? I paid ~300 dollars for a 160 gig SSD (+250 gig spindle) over a single 500 gig 7200 RPM drive, and I'd have paid significantly more knowing what I know now. It was probably the single best purchase that I've made in the last 7 years.

    I'd count that as one of the monstrously noticeable improvements in performance of my computer.
    1. AGP video card ca. 1994
    2. The 3dfx Voodoo addin card for my desktop in early 1997.
    3. ATI 9700Pro in early 2003.
    4. The nvidia 8800GTX 768MB card in late 2006.
    5. The SSD in early 2010

    I've done plenty of other upgrades between those points, but those were the "highlight" ones where I REALLY noticed a substantial jump in the computing experience.

    My laptop (which has the SSD) is substantially "snappier" than my desktop (which has the WD Black 7200 RPM drive - one of the "fastest" 7200 RPM desktop drives around). The next drive I buy for any computer is more than likely going to be an SSD.

    Hopefully, that answers some of your "concerns".

    edit: Note that all of the performance improvements I've noticed with the SSD are only visible when the computer would normally be accessing the hard drive. This affects gaming load (and level load) times (but not performance while the drive is relatively static), starting applications, opening a file on the disk (whether from opening that file in an application, or double clicking a file to launch an application), or the huge saver I've noticed, Virus Scanning. I can now actually use the computer while a full virus scan is in progress. It's also had a substantial improvement on the performance of Subversion (more specifically, the beast known as "TortoiseSVN")...
     
  6. papalazarou

    papalazarou Notebook Consultant

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    No if it's your only drive. It's kinda small.

    You won't see a performance increase in for example, gaming, but a smoother more responsive OS and applications. SSDs are all about access time (although their read and write speeds are handy).

    There is a very visible improvement though. Makes the computer 'feels sharper'.

    If you want capacity, good general performance and affordable price, look into the Momentus XT. It's a good trade-off.
     
  7. Blindsay

    Blindsay Notebook Enthusiast

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    other things to keep in mind with SSD's is since they have no moving parts they are very durable :D and very low power consumption
     
  8. Rustican

    Rustican Notebook Consultant

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    I just recently upgraded my envy 14 with a Crucial 128GB SSD.

    Performance is excellent on the SSD. My boot times and application load times are much faster. I purchased the Crucial drive for $200 with a coupon code from their main site. So i paid $1.56 per GB.

    It is housed in a plastic enclosure and conforms to the 2.5" SATA drive size. The SSD was significantly lighter than the HDD, so i considered the plastic enclosure a pro. The drive also supports Trim garbage collection to maintain performance over time.

    I use an external drive for all my storage. The ESATA port on the envy is an excellent feature for being able to move bulk files back and forth when i need them.

    Pros:
    Faster load times of applications
    No HDD vibrations or noise caused by spinning platters.
    Less Weight
    No moving parts, less prone to failure caused by bumps or drops

    Cons:
    Expense: Still expensive vs HDD storage options
    Size limited
     
  9. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    Just to be a little nit-picky, you went the wrong way. It's actually $1.56 per GB. Still a very good price, though.
     
  10. Rustican

    Rustican Notebook Consultant

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    Doh! Thanks for the catch.
     
  11. HookemAZ

    HookemAZ Notebook Consultant

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    Nothing techy to offer. Just experience. I recently went to a 256 SSD and it was the most amazing upgrade I have ever had in a computer. Load times are amazing, as well as heat reduction.
     
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    atc9001 Notebook Consultant

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    I think you're best off trying to find a used 80GB drive. You can ebay them for 150-175 bucks. 40GB is a chore to keep programs and OS on. I was able to do it, but it definitly detrated from the experience!

    But the only disadvantage of an SSD is cost...Read and Write speads are orders of magnatitue quicker (Access times) and bandwidth is typicaly 3-5x greater for sequential reads (and for small read/writes again significantly faster).

    As stated an SSD just makes everything snappier and smooth. Open the start menu...it pops open, same with firefox and every other program on the SSD. Windows boots up and shuts down extremely quick. It's well worth the cash IMO.

    Games will not run faster but they'll load faster. I just recently bought a new 120GB SSD for my main machine (I've had the 40GB value drive and also an 80GB Intel)....I spent 260 for the 120GB drive but it's the fastest available if you don't have Sata 3!
     
  13. Blindsay

    Blindsay Notebook Enthusiast

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    yeah i have my o/s on 64GB (2 intel 32GB SSD's) and it was just barely enough
     
  14. Pitabred

    Pitabred Linux geek con rat flail!

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    Aye. I'll routinely start a game of L4D2 after my friends, but get into the game before them. And I'll be loaded and waiting in the next level before they even join. Lets me get a jump on swiping the medkits :p