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    Terrible HP Support experience (Apologies in advance -Long)

    Discussion in 'HP' started by stonecoldtx, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    Hi, All--

    I'm new here, and found this forum as a result of my struggles with my new laptop. Here is the sequence of events in dealing with HP "Support"

    1.) On Thursday, June 24th 2010, Fry's had an HP G62-147NR laptop on sale for $599.99, and since it had an i5 processor, it was about the best deal I found.
    Since Fry's has a new weekly special ad that comes out every Friday, I decided to wait until then to open it, in the event that a better deal was advertised. There wasn't a better deal, so I went ahead and opened it that day.

    I spent nearly ALL DAY trying to configure the laptop unsuccessfully. I finally figured out that there was a problem with the Video card or something--I would only intermittently get something displayed on the screen, so I took it back on Saturday (June 26th), got a replacement, and IT WORKED, so I took it home and started configuring it.

    2.) I downgraded to XP, but not before completing the setup for Windows 7, so I could go through the creation of the recovery disks. The first disk was created fine, but after three attempts to create the second disk, and having it fail each time near the end of the "Validation" process, I gave up.

    I had created an image of my existing laptop, fully configured with XP Pro with all the updates and software installed, so I stuck the HDD into another machine, and used an imaging program to place the image onto the new drive. After some configuration changes in the registry and dropping the appropriate file for the controller in the correct location, I installed the HDD back into the laptop and it booted up. I had previously downloaded all the XP drivers for the new machine onto the old laptop, so I installed all of them and everything worked fine.

    HOWEVER--it did not have Bluetooth. PLEASE NOTE: There is NO documentation anywhere stating that this laptop came with Bluetooth, so I started searching for whatever module was required to add it to the machine.

    What I found on the HP Parts website is that, for this specific model, there is an Atherose 802.11 a/b/g/n miniPCI-e card that has Bluetooth integrated into it, and it is the ONLY wireless card available for this particular product.

    3.) On TUESDAY, June 29th, I created an account on the HP Forums website, and posed a question, asking to verify if this indeed is true, that this is truly the only wireless card installed in this machine, and if so, what I needed to do to enable it. I got NO response whatsoever (even through today).

    4.) Yesterday, July 1st, I called HP Parts to try and find an answer to this question.

    The HP Rep was so bad, even after repeating the question THREE TIMES, they still did not understand it, (her response was, "So, you are telling me that you cannot connect to the Internet?") so I asked to be transferred to someone who could speak English.

    She then transferred me back into the SAME QUEUE, where I got ANOTHER person who barely spoke English, and after posing the question to them TWO times, I demanded to speak to someone whose native tongue was English. I did get transferred to someone in the US, who told me they could not guarantee that I would get someone from the US.

    5.) So, after that call, I called HP Tech Support, and this time posed my question to the person, HOPING that they would be able to understand me; yet again, the question was not understood. After repeatedly demanding to speak to someone whose native tongue was English, and after the rep refused, while begging me to give him a chance, I blew up and hung up the phone.

    I called back, and after discussing the issue with the customer service representative, I was transferred to the Canadian site, where I spoke to yet another person who was from either India or the Middle East.

    The ONLY WAY I could make him understand my question was to walk him through going to the product page on the HP site, have him click the "Order Parts" link and then enter my serial number to bring up the list of parts available for my machine. THEN he was able to understand what I was asking.

    6.) The tech support agent in Canada assigned my ticket to a "Case Manager" who called me back, and after a few minutes of clarifying the details of the case, he puts a "Tech Support" representative on the phone who didn't understand that if a hardware device doesn't appear in Device Manager, no amount of drivers in the WORLD are going to allow it to work!

    The "Case Manager" tells me that I can send my BRAND NEW laptop in to have them work on it to "make it work", to which I responded that there was no way I was going to send my new machine to them and be without it for 3-4 weeks and then have them tell me, "It doesn't come with Bluetooth", so I told him he could send me the card, and I would install it myself.

    7.) HOWEVER--my question *STILL* was not answered!! I still have no idea whether when they built my laptop, they put in some other Atheros card that DOESN'T have the bluetooth module installed on it, or if there is some BIOS setting to enable the radio that is "hidden", so as to not allow it to be enabled.

    I asked the "Case Manager" if I could speak to someone who actually has some depth of knowledge of how Windows works with hardware, (and has deep knowledge of this specific model of machine) and he kept telling me that he had already engaged a "Tech Support" engineer who said that the reason it didn't work is because I downgraded to XP, EVEN AFTER I told the idiot that the issue occurs REGARDLESS of what version of Windows is installed!!!

    After that, I finally just gave up and hung up on the guy, and decided to see if I could find some way to modify the BIOS so that I could check for a setting to enable the bluetooth radio . . . which led me to this site.

    8.) One other thing: During the telephone call with the rep in Canada, he told me that I had 70 days left on my warranty!! How can there only be 70 days left on a brand new laptop?!?!? In the BIOS, the "In Warranty Date" even shows to be 4-23-10, which is, I'm assuming, the date the Laptop was built, so how is it that HP could screw THAT up?!?!?

    At least I have information on where to send my receipt so that they can get THAT part fixed, but still, it shouldn't have happened in the first place! Seems to me that HP is doing something shady, because I found the same thing had happened on the FIRST laptop when I called HP Tech support about the problems I was having with it.

    IN ANY EVENT--I wanted to first post about what a terrible support experience I've had with HP over the last week or so, AND to see if I perhaps could figure out how to modify my BIOS to "un-hide" any settings that will allow me to enable the bluetooth radio.

    Sorry for the rant, and thanks for reading . . .
     
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    2.0 Former NBR Macro-Mod®

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    You have to reflash the BIOS in order for it to recognize the new bluetooth that was installed.
     
  3. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    Hi, 2.0--

    Not sure exactly what you mean . . . there is no BIOS setting available to enable the Bluetooth radio anywhere in the standard HP BIOS, including the latest ones available from the website--F.15A and F.16A.

    If you mean that the BIOS needs to be modified to "un-hide" those settings, and THEN flashed to the machine, yes, I agree. So far, I have not yet done that, as I just discovered the link to the Insyde BIOS stuff on this site yesterday.
     
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    What I mean is you should download the latest BIOS and install it... again. You don't need a BIOS setting. When you install the BIOS it will check to see if there's a bluetooth radio that's on the approved list(whitelist) and enable it. Before you install it again, make sure that the wifi radio is on.

    Then after installing the BIOS, use HP wireless assistant to turn on the bluetooth radio on. Afterward you can install the drivers.
     
  5. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    Thanks, 2.0, but I've already done all that . . . I've got both the BIOS versions I listed in my previous post downloaded. I flashed F15.A yesterday within Windows, while connected to my Linksys router. HP Wireless Assistant does not show Bluetooth at all.

    Again, the only card listed for this machine on the HP Parts website shows to have Bluetooth integrated into it, and that was verified by the HP Tech in Canada yesterday, but as I mentioned in my original post, there is no mention in any documentation anywhere I can find that states this laptop comes with Bluetooth.

    That means that either HP built the laptop using a card with the Atheros chipset that does NOT include bluetooth (something different than what is listed on the HP Parts website), OR there is a BIOS setting that turns on the Bluetooth radio on the existing card, and that BIOS setting is hidden intentionally.
     
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    I misread your first post. Thought you had the module. There is no wifi card with integrated bluetooth. (Figures HP wouldn't know). The bluetooth module with built in antenna is separate and has a product number of 537921-001 (and 602538-001 for module plus cable) for the G62-147NR.

    See page 4-34 of the service manual: http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01997877.pdf

    After you acquire and install the BT module, you will have to reflash your BIOS with the latest and then it will work.
     
  7. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    Hi, 2.0--

    That conflicts with what the HP Parts site has to say:

    HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts

    Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you will see that the ONLY reference to Bluetooth anywhere is also the ONLY wireless NIC listed . . .
     
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    It's a separate module with the part number 537921-001. (But be sure to get the cable that goes with it. hard to tell if the 537921 comes with the cable. Doubt it though.). I've upgrade a few HP notebooks (Dv5 being the latest) and it's always been this way. It even shows it in the illustration. Also, look it up in the parts store and you will see a picture of it.

    There's no such thing as a wifi card with integrated bluetooth. At least not for the wifi manufacturers listed.

    HP is sort of mislabeling things. What they mean is that the wifi card that is compatible with bluetooth installed as per various governmental commincation protocols is so-and-so. So they go ahead and label it as wifi w.bluetooth. But for sure, there's no bluetooth on the wifi card. For instance, an Intel 5100 with integrated bluetooth? No way.
     
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    2.0 is spot on. HP has always had a wifi card and a separate Blutooth module connected to the board.

    Dont be fooled when HP says wifi with integrated bluetooth. It just means it has wifi and bluetooth inside the notebook

    I understand your frustration, i hope you get it ironed out.
     
  10. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    No, I believe that this is the card they are installing:

    Atheros releases first Wireless-N/Bluetooth combo minicard | Crave - CNET

    Please take another look at the description of the card on the HP Parts website, and you will agree . . .
     
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    It's not. This is what they are installing: http://www.atheros.com/pt/bulletins/AR9285Bulletin.pdf

    The actual manufacturer part number is listed in the parts store as: AR9285. The one in the CNet areticle is the AR9002WB-1NGB

    Moreover, you would be able to see the bluetooth chip on your card as it would be a 2nd smaller chip with numbers starting with 30xx.
     
  12. stonecoldtx

    stonecoldtx Newbie

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    OK, let's back up for a minute

    The HP Website says that the ONLY card available is the one that has Bluetooth INTEGRATED into it:

    HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts

    This is the ONLY Atheros card I'm aware of that contains an INTEGRATED Bluetooth module:

    Atheros releases first Wireless-N/Bluetooth combo minicard | Crave - CNET

    And you're saying that the HP Parts Website is wrong, and the NIC being used is this one:

    http://www.atheros.com/pt/bulletins/AR9285Bulletin.pdf

    With all due respect, but on what basis are you stating that?

    The HP Parts Website is pretty clear about which device is being used (Part number 580101-001) and this is the description:

    "Atheros AR9285 802.11 a/b/g/n 2x2 WiFi adapter - HP Integrated Module with Bluetooth 2.1 wireless technology"

    I don't know what that tells you, but it tells me that there is a Bluetooth module on that card.
     
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    See emphasis above. Now compare that manufacturer model number to the Cnet article and the PDF I supplied.

    Yes, the HP part store is mislabeling it in that the labeling is NOT for public consumption. They are notorious for this. Also, it is not the only card available. You're going by the parts store for determination. You have to go by part numbers and the service manual.

    If you don't believe me, take the wifi card out, take a picture and I'll show you what I mean. It may be possible to leave it in the notebook with the wifi cover off and take a picture. Make sure it's a close up (macro) so that the chip identification code is legible.
     
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    stonecoldtx,

    Take a step back and look at the evidence:

    - There is only one place that lists the card is integrated with Bluetooth, in the product description on the HP Parts store (the wording is tenuous at best)
    - The manual does not state it is bluetooth enabled.
    - 2.0 is telling you this card is not integrated with Bluetooth
    - The parts number listed indicates a wireless card without bluetooth
    - You have not found a way to enable bluetooth
    - If it was bluetooth enabled, don't you think they would be listing that everywhere on their ads, stores, etc? That is an important feature that would persuade consumers to buy that particular laptop. To exclude it would be a big marketing mistake on their end.
    - What's the more likely scenario - all of these facts are wrong, and the one place you found it saying it is bluetooth enabled is right? Or that one place you found it saying it is bluetooth enabled is wrong, and all other facts are right?
     
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    I'm sure you realize that AR9285 is the chip Atheros uses on the card, and not the model of the card, right?

    As far as this not being the only part available, Yesterday, the HP tech in Canada verified that the part listed on the HP Parts website is indeed the only part available for use in this laptop. I'm assuming that they have access to the HP parts manual, and verified that information there.

    As to checking the card itself for a second chip--I already tried to do that (yesterday); there is a sheetmetal "tray" (if you will) soldered over the chip(s), and no way to see what's underneath without removing it.

    I appreciate your effort 2.0, but first you misread my original post and provided innaccurate information; then, you stated that there was no such thing as a WLAN card with bluetooth integrated into it, which we know was not correct as well.

    As a matter of fact, every single post response anyone has made in this thread has been to tell me I'm wrong, but there isn't any proof anywhere so far that I am--nobody has provided an alternate part number from HP documentation stating that some different card was installed. Nobody has opened up the HP BIOS and checked to see if there are any settings in there for Bluetooth or not (something I intend to do as soon as I read up enough on the Insyde BIOS stuff here).

    That's all fine and good . . . I ordered one of the parts listed on the HP Website yesterday and when the it arrives in a few days, we will know for sure.

    If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'll be the first to admit it, but if I install that card I bought from the HP Parts website, and it then also does not have bluetooth, what then?

    My whole point of posting wasn't to debate whether or not this device has a bluetooth chip on it or not (I am already 99% convinced that it does, and am not interested in arguing the point.), my point was as is outlined in the title of the thread--to tell people about how terrible an experience I had just trying to get the information to determine that!! I spent over two hours on the phone and the MOST I got was them telling me that "they could fix it" and that I didn't have a one year warranty when I should have had!
     
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    e14 Notebook Evangelist

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    Dude, open the laptop and look on the card for the bluetooth module, why are you wasting your time arguing about being 99% sure, just go look, if its in a tray then remove the tray, desolder it. Might as well do it, you ordered a new one anyhow.
     
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    Just wanted to shed a little more light on this, the reason that the bluetooth module parts are not listed at the HP parts store is because bluetooth was not installed on that specific model (G62-147NR) therefore its not on the parts list. If you look up the parts lists for the G62t-100 CTO (Custom To Order, i.e Pick and choose your options, mix and match, one that COULD be equipped with bluetooth as an option), here is the link HP Parts Store - HP Computer Parts - HP Printer Parts - Compaq Parts ) you will notice the bluetooth module is listed there. 2.0 is correct, and those are the parts you need to get an install in order to have integrated (within the laptop, not the WLAN card) bluetooth. As for your warranty, only hazarding a guess here but, the guy could have been talking about SW support. Most mainstream systems (like the Gseries) only have 90 days for initial setup questions and phone-support of the preloaded SW. There is probably some sort of mistake on HP's end which they should be able to clear up (you will probably end up having to Email a copy of your receipt to them).


    EDIT: That HP link just asks you to choose a specific product ect, use PN#VU667AV to get the parts list for the G62t-100 CTO