Trinity has dropped

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Just ordered one from Staples to play with, arriving tomorrow.
Gonna try to overclock. But that 65w adapter may hold me back.

$699 is too damned expensive.

Needs to be $425 or less.

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HP isn't selling dual graphics.

 

Great, I'm looking forward to see your tests . Do not worry about 65W adapter, it won't hold back anything. I have been also using 65W adapter with 45W Llano and the only way to reach 65W limit is Prime95 and Furmark together with overclocking. Measured from connector.

 

I had a Llano HP DV6z, it's sad to see that the turbo clock is put first before the real clock speed once again, this sucks.
Although I do like the processor and no doubt the new one too, if I could horde another notebook.

 

Link, did you order one with the A10-4600m?
You really are being a paving the way for the rest of us, thank you for being the guinea pig while everyone else discusses performance lol.

Benchmark benchmark benchmark! Gotta see if Trinity can outperform its expectations.

 

I'm hoping the A10 gets put in the M6, that would be a nice little machine.

 

nah. I was considering ordering the A10, but I really just wanted to see how high the A8 would overclock (or if it's multiplier locked, haha ), as this should be the one that will be priced at $400-450 soon.

I don't plan on keeping the A8. I have 15 days to play with it.

After that, I may order the A10 from Walmart.com

dammit. Staples hasn't shipped the laptop yet. I'm getting anxious. If UPS doesn't deliver tomorrow, I have to wait till monday.

all the staples stores around me have this laptop, but low stock. Probably 1 or 2.

 

HP DV6-7002AX

A10-4600M with 7730M

No word if it is ddr5 or not, notebook check is listing as ddr3

They have them here in New Zealand, I could buy one tomorrow if I wanted to, at the below link from a local retail store.
http://www.harveynorman.co.nz/hp-dv6-7002ax-laptop.html

Australia link:
HP Pavilion 15" Notebook - Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Ultrabook, iPad, Tablet & Netbook Computers - JB Hi-Fi - Smashing Prices!

 

damn. Over $1000 for that is a rip off.

You can get a loaded i7 gt650 for that price in the US

 

Yeah we get ripped of majorly here in NZ. I use a currency convertor and it works out to $1035usd
Even more disturbing is that price is with 30% off, as it is currently on sale here! Otherwise it would be $1478 when the sale finishes. We get ripped off here

Bad news about the 7730M it really is only DDR3. That will make it slower than an aged 6770M or last years DV6z which offen had a 6750M with DDR5
http://www8.hp.com/nz/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=5269595

One other thing, there is likely no way to overclock trinity even if the multiplier is unlocked (which I am sure AMD would have locked this time around). I doubt the old K10STAT will not work with the new architecture.

Just to confirm the 7730M has a weak 28.8 GB/s memory bandwidth. Core clocks are also low. Scroll down to the 7730M section.
http://www.amd.com/us/products/notebook/graphics/7000m/7700m/Pages/radeon-7700m-series.aspx#2

 

pscheck supports trinity, according to the release notes.

my trinity is on the ups truck right now, and will be delivered today.

that's the first thing I will check.

I am excited because either it will be a huge overclocker, or it will be un-OC'able, and I will majorly LOL if it is.

 

I am thinking about picking up a DV6-7002AX in the next few hours. Even though the price is high in USD, for this country it really is about as cheap as it gets. Considering this is a brand new release and the specs are really good for a pre-built shop model, well at least over here anyway.

Putting the price aside, then what do you people think of the main spec I would be getting with it:

A10-4600M
8 GB RAM
1 TB HDD
ATI Radeon HD 7730M (2GB DDR3)
Blu Ray & DVD +/- & CD Player
1366x768 (I have no choice about this)

Oh I found the driver page for the DV6-7002AX, but have not found a spec sheet yet anywhere on HP. Can anyone find the specs sheet for the model?

 

my trinity is here.

will post benchmarks and crap later.

All tests done with High Performance Power Options setting.

Only stock tests, since AMD locked down the cpu. No overclocking allowed:


Has ddr 1600



7640g 3dmark11 score higher than notebookcheck.
Slightly better than 6620g, except in Physics.








Cinebench score.... Clock speed was jumping between 1.9-2.3ghz, so it was running at full capacity.....
23.49fps for opengl test.
580 points and 9fps for furmark @ 800x600



Compare that crap to my A6 clocked at just 2ghz....

 

Cool post, I am about half an hour away to pick one of these up. I too want to overclock. Can you please do a quick check to verify if the mutliplier is unlocked or not?

The FX badge says unlocked in your hwinfo screenshot!

 

the suspense.......

k10stat does not work.

WUT!!

will try pscheck. gimme a few moments. gonna reboot

 

What about pscheck?

 

TRINITY FAIL BOAT

AMD locked this crap down.

Cannot overclock..... See red status lights. Does not allow to run at 2600mhz.
I forced it to run at P0 state, but HWinfo shows still running 2.3ghz.

I can force P1-P4 states no problem. But P0 will not run higher than stock.

I will run some benchmarks to confirm if speed is same.

 

OK fail there, but... Can you undervolt the processor, this is the next best thing, will make it run cooler and battery last longer.

Almost about to plug the trigger, but if no voltage adjustments, then that maybe a deal breaker.

Undervoltage at all?

 

undervolting works. You can also underclock.

but you can't overvolt. Each p-state is capped at a specific max voltage from the factory.

they locked this down GOOD, Intel style.

frankly, undervolting doesn't mean jack for this price.

title of this thread needs to be changed to..... TRINITY HAS DROPPED THE BALL

 

Ouch. I had high hopes for trinity if it was OCable.

 

Hahaha well the desktop A-10's should be overclockable. Don't worry dude someone will figure it out eventually.

 

you mean like how someone figured out how to overclock sandy bridge mobile?


AMD locked this down. Even their own confidential tool can't OC it. But you can underclock and stuff. So it's not like pscheck is broken or anything.

On the plus side, it has very aggressive turbo boost in single thread apps. So instead of being 50 miles behind Intel, AMD is now 25 miles behind.
In cinebench single core test, it held a constant 2.3ghz turboboost without flinching, and I got a 0.60 pts.

Multicore is where it really sucks.


Correction: Boost sucks. I just realized that this A8 has up to 2.8ghz boost, but even in single thread cinebench, it only stays at the 2nd boost state (2.3ghz), according to hwinfo64, even with nothing else running. It will hit 2.8ghz boost for a fraction of a second, and rarely at that.
So, boost is semi broken.

Just like Llano turbo..... the highest advertised number is almost never reached.

 

The funny thing is overclocked Llano > Trinity then. AMD took another step back on the CPU front.

 

One step forward two steps back? Sounds like amd's usual pace to me. Without the ability to over clock I don't know who amd's target demographic is with these chips. Oh well still looking forward to crossfired sleekbook.

 

I have just got mine but haven't cracked open the box yet. I was going into town anyway, so grabbed it while the stores were still open.

I think what made me buy it was so I can crossfire this baby with the 7730M. Also the 7730M on it own should be good as it has 16 ROPS which is more than twice than of the 6770M and the 7690M.

Yeah hmmm no overclocking, but if you said you couldn't undervolt it, then I would not of brought it. If perfer undervolting, as I can strech out the battery long as posssible and run cool at the same time, which is important to me.

Is a shame no overclocking, as without it, it makes it slower than Llano.

hmm now, should I open it or drop it back off to the shop tomorrow?

 

I would return it, because I don't think it is faster than the ones in your sig.
Oh yeah, and because AMD driver team sucks.

the 7730m is supposedly between gt640 and gt650 ddr3 version, according to notebookcheck.
and AMD has never gotten crossfire to perform right on laptops. With the llano, 90% of games ran slower with crossfire. And even if they did run faster, there would be microstutter.

The IGP on the A10 is a little slower than the 6630m. So you're putting a slower card with the faster 7730m. I don't think the asymmetry is good.


Does the box say Crossfire? or just graphics switching ?


and isn't there an undervolt app for sandy bridge?

For us, it's a step back.

For 99% of people, they couldn't care less, as long as it's priced within their budget.

 

Well, the good news is that it should cause llano rigs to continue to drop in price. Really a bummer about overclocking.

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Sad, none of the Trinity reviewer guys could find out what is took you less than 5 minutes. Can you check the GPU overclock ability with MSI afterburner? If still crap I gonna agree TRINITY HAS DROPPED THE BALL.

 

Overclock the IGP?
I don't think so.

I will test 3dmark11, but I won't bother to try overclocking.

Let's see how crippled this is compared to the 7660g.

notebookcheck has one score of 651. Let's see if i match that.

 

Yes, I could overclcok my Llano IGP by 13MHz, might Trinity is greater in this area. Activate unofficial overclocking in MSIAfterburner.cfg than see if happening something.

 

I have afterburner installed.

how do i overclock ?

it shows my max clock at 654mhz. slider won't go higher.

Even if i could OC by 13mhz, that still sucks, and won't make a difference.

 

Damm I have already opened the box, I couldn't stand looking at it sitting on the floor. Shops here don't generally take laptops back in this small town.

Yeah considering the 7730M is likely faster than the A10 in crossfire due to it being GNC.

There is hardly anything in the side of the box. Just say Radeon Graphics 2GB

Sandy Bridge has no undervoltage at all. Only thing you can do with sandy is to lock the core speed down for lower voltage, which make the machine slow.

I was burn't by 2 eBay sellers, that sold faulty Llano's a while back, and i started a thread about it. Which I believe people are still posting in it 8 months later.
This way, even without overclocking, at least I know I have got the best I could get at the time. No worries about having a faulty CPU. The old Llano I had could not go passed 1.73GHz but I still liked it, and it undervolted.
I still have hopes that I can enjoy Trinity if I can get the voltage low enough for some awesome battery life with excellent IGP running at all times

 

I guess you're stuck with it then. That's why I buy from big box stores. No hassle return policy.

if i had an i7 6970m, I wouldn't buy this.

if i wanted battery life, I'd buy a much cheaper lower power pc.


This A8-4500m is damn slow. I expected superpi to run faster, but it does 1M digits at 2.3ghz in the same amount of time as my llano at 2ghz.

I'm gonna clean install windows and see if it helps any. I already disabled all the hp bloatware and unnecessary services and startup stuff.

 

Need to activate unofficial overclocking, otherwise slide won't go higher as the default max IGP frequency. 13MHz plus only with mobile Llano, if Trinity allows overclcocking will go lot further...

This guide is from HTWingNut:

Once you download and install MSI Afterburner, run it, then close it. You will do this so it creates the MSIAfterburner.cfg file in its install directory (C:\Program Files(x86)\MSI Afterburner by default). You will need to open and edit this cfg file. Once you do look for

UnofficialOverclockingEULA =
UnofficialOverclockingMode = 0

You will have to replace that with:

UnofficialOverclockingEULA = I confirm that I am aware of unofficial overclocking limitations and fully understand that MSI will not provide me any support on it
UnofficialOverclockingMode = 1

Now save the file. You will have to save it elsewhere because it will not allow you to edit files in the C:\Program Files(x86) directory. After you save it elsewhere, copy / paste it back into the C:\Program Files(x86)\MSI Afterburner directory overwriting the original.

Now start up MSI Afterburner again. You should now be able to overclock your GPU.

 

ok. now i can increase core clock in afterburner.

have to test it though

 

GPU-z sensor tab or HWinfo64 can tells if overclocking really went trough. Like I could increase the slide up to 580MHz, but in the real only 13MHz overclock happened with 6620G.

 

gpu-z doesn't run. It freezes.

But I can tell that Afterburner doesn't do jack.

I put the slider all the way from 654 to 850, and furmark and cinebench opengl test get the same result regardless of core clock speed.

23.49 fps for CB opengl, and 580 points for furmark.

Furmark detects the increase in clock speed, but the test result is the same.

AMD has this locked down on every corner. Maybe one day AMD will come out with a black edition laptop chip.

This thing is gimped !


edit: HOWEVER, you can underclock the igp. I set it from 654 down to 325, and the CB ogl test ran 20.52fps

 

My most concerned questions are answered, thanks for the updates bro (even if bad news). Actually than I see not much reasons upgrade to A10-4600M neither, maybe for cooler operation, if it runs cooler than Llano? Any comments, agree or disagrees by T2050?

 

stock cpu's will always run cool.

at default speed, temps are between 40-55c unload to load.
typical.
room temp is 78F

 

Hey all, well have got mine up and running, after a clean image HP restore, which I find are good enough for my liking these day. HP have done a good job I believe at making this better over the years.

I am in the process of custom setting up of the windows enviroment and apps I like to install. Believe me, if I find a loop hole I will punch through it and expose to all.

The mutlitasking on the A10 is super smooth, when compared to i5-2467M and even my sandy bridge quads. I am actually enjoying the general user experiance. I find the windows UI is working great when jumping from each window. This is just my opinion, but I like what I see.

I am yet to do any benchmarking yet. From what I have it looks promising to me. This screen shot I have taken with Real-Time HDR IBL running in the background, while I have been busy installing mutliple programs. Looks like mine may not be lock, and certainly is not slowing down with all cores running at 2.7GHz all the time, and the fan is spinning slowly at 47c.

Best to buy the best that is available the first time around, instead of trying to save money.

 

As you could not resist not to open the laptop box, I could not resist not to order an A10-4600M from ebay.
I think the best if I try myself and make comparison with A8-3550MX side by side in the same system environment. Maybe the week CPU power is not noticeable at all, but I can benefit from stronger graphics and lower power consumption.

 

Step back for NBR, step forward for money.

D3 is HORRIBLE on my bro k53ta w/o CPU OC.

 

It looks like even the A10 hardly ever runs at 3.2ghz.
It looks stuck on 2.7ghz max.

I just clean installed windows from dvd. none of the crap HP software. no coolsense. I will only install the basic network, audio, graphics drivers.
Restore = installs all hp bloatware.

As a factory setup, the laptop felt very laggy.

how do you know that will even fit ?

 

He said compare, not swap out processors.

 

his ebay link points to cpu only.

 

If fail to start, than I just resell on ebay and keep the old A8. However it got to work; same socket, chipset and a new A05 Dell bios. Once it boots up I can see which is the faster APU for my programs and I also gonna compare power consumption from connector.

 

Wow... this just completely destroyed my hopes and dreams.. The MSI w/ 7970m + A10 4600m is going to be so bottlenecked. Seriously AMD?!?

So if we look at CPU performance and flawed turbo.. that means the A10-4600m will be in reality stuck at 2.7Ghz.. which seems like a Llano at 2.3Ghz would beat in productivity. Seems like buying a A8-3550mx and overclocking to 2.8Ghz is the fastest AMD mobile cpu we can get.

If you will excuse me I am going to go weep geeky tears of sorrow now.

 

based on what the other guy said, if the 7970m is gcn, it will not crossfire with the A10.

so basically, yes, you do have a 2.7ghz gimped turbo slowass cpu which is only faster in openCL and AES, and a powerful graphics card.

but why bother when you can get an i7 + gt650 for the same price...., which is also a more elegant setup.

At least nvidia is willing to make their gpu work with Intel.

AMD refuses to support graphics switching with Intel's sandy bridge. Why support a company that does that...

 

Outstanding thread. All of the first Trinity experiences have been a real eye opener. So basically if there was some way to OC the Trinity cpu, only then it would have been a worthy upgrade over llanos' and sandy bridges. Well that's it for me...looks like when I'm ready to purchase my next laptop, then it will have a nice Intel + Nvidia combination.

 

Bummer about not being able to OC these Trinity chips, that was one of the high points of llano but to take it away....great job AMD!