Trinity has dropped

The amount of HP line drive me nuts. m/g/dv all look the freaking same and assemble the same way.

The g series is not soldered though huh.

 

i wonder why they would solder amd but not intel...... seems stupid

 

To my knowledge only the LV and ULV Trinity APUs are packaged BGA for soldering onto a low profile motherboard. Everything else is still a variant of FM socket type. So I call bullskies on their manual. Guess we wait for someone to try a repaste.

 

Review of the HP Pavilion g7-2051sg sporting an A10-4600M + 7670M courtesy of Notebookcheck.net.

 

well damn, that sums it up.

I was surprised they were able to achieve full turbo on one core.

When I had my A8-4500m, it would almost never hit 2.8ghz full turbo even when restricted to one core.
maybe my 80*F room temp was above threshold. I wasn't even stressing it out.


The cpu throttling is disturbing!
But to be fair, AMD has disclosed that cpu/gpu work in compromising fashion according to workload, in order to fit the 35w envelope.
Even with llano, using the dgpu and cpu together would cause cpu throttling.

I would be interested in seeing how intel cpu's throttle when the HD4000 goes balls out.

sounds like my asus

 

Does not mean much good if it is heats like hell in 17'' body. An undervolted stocked clocked Llano in 15" body does not heat at all. Now I start to understand why there is no 45W part from Trinity...
It would be very good to make work my A10-4600M in my laptop to see exactly what is going on. I prepared everything, test, temperatures, Watt meter, just need a bios from Dell.

 

you may have to wait an eternity. Did Dell even suggest they would allow drop in cpu support ?

it appears all trinitys need new mobo.


as far as heat, we really can't go by the HP review, since the fan seems to suck, as if HP prioritized fan noise over performance.

we would have to see other brand laptops' trinity performance to make a conclusion about heat management.

 

From what i see from reviews. Trinity is exellent entry level CPU and mid low-level on GPU. Surely there will be more notebooks available soon, which have 4600M inside.
My only wish is that AMD could offer high end mobile CPU as well. Just to step on Intel heels once again. It would make us (consumers) a lot better market conditions with more choice and lower prices.
Surely it will not happen with vishera, since its just improved bulldozer, but the perfomance difference could get smaller with next generation in the end of next year.

 

I guess you are right, even if could be possible, Dell will never give support...

 

More like no consumer notebook ever get free upgrade/support .

 

more like, it's probably impossible to upgrade, even though the socket fits

 

What about the reverse? I was wondering if a Trinity laptop would accept a Llano APU? Not that it makes too much sense but would it even work?

My guess... no.

 

No, it wouldn't work. Different pin placements due to certain factors within Trinity's design that requires a new motherboard. The chipset is compatible, A70, but not the socket. You need both for compatibility and drop-in upgrades

 

actually, Atom Anti dropped in the cpu, and it fits the socket; exact same pin placement.
but there's most likely some other major hardware incompatibility

 

The new unified north bridge wouldn't allow for compatibility.

The socket is also different



Technically it's a revision of the FS1 socket (hence the name, FS1r2) but due to architectural factors it's incompatible. Pin placements on the desktop FM2 model are different but I guess the pins are compatible on the FS1 socket? Still, as I said, the chip itself likely wouldn't retain compatibility thus a drop-in upgrade isn't feasible.

 

At mobile front FS1r1 and FS1r2 identical and both use A70M chipset. The desktop FM1 and FM2 are different, where FM1 use A75 chipset while FM2 use A75 and A85 chip.

 

I moved this to the AMD Fusion Thread as it didn't really have anything to do with HP Pavilions.

 

Now I knew the g-series laptops from HP were generally *bad* but those results are SPECTACULAR in their scope. Yet again the battery results are pretty fricken amazing, OVER EIGHT HOURS for very light crap like typing or reading a PDF. Considering the terrible 47Whr battery those numbers are good....BRAZOS good. So AMD totally hit one out of the park with their idle power improvements. 3.5 hours online or watching a video though, that's roughly in line with the minutes/watt of a 15" Llano laptop (4-5 hours typical browsing endurance on 55Whr battery).

As to the question of cooling. For starters it is immediately obvious that the g7 has a grossly inferior cooling design *or* that particular model was defective (Remember HTWingNut's original dv6z? They replaced the fan/heatsink block and his temps improved quite a bit). Anecdotally even the much smaller/thinner m6-1035dx doesn't get that hot or loud...and removing Coolsense made the m6 even cooler. So that g7 was most likely super hot and super loud because the heat was not being removed...they made NO mention of the temperature of air leaving that side vent, only noise and hull temps. However both models have inherently inferior cooling when contrasted against dv6z-6xxx...wherein the APU had TWO pipes rather than just the one.

Most sites which reviewed the original a10-4600M pre-production sample noted that it was at least equivalent to the fastest Llano MX processor in the bulk of CPU tasks, sometimes faster or slower. But ALL of them made a point of noting that Trinity's temps and power consumption were roughly equal to or significantly better than 35W Llano in Performance and Gaming tests. I think the improved power numbers have made *cough* certain companies a bit lazier on cooling. <.< - >.>

In fact, looking back over the numbers I feel that even the g7 should be getting around two hours plus in a game like Modern Warfare 3. The actual machine is defective in cooling, but I have no way to tell if this is a design issue or a manufacturing issue. Nobody is going to convince me that a machine which draws LESS power under full load should be running HOTTER. My dv6z can go 80-90W with a modest bump to the APU and a triple burn scenario (Prime95/Kombustor/Network file transfer), temps remain below 85C. When the reviewers cannot even reach 60W and Battery Eater Pro runs nearly 1.5hrs on a 47Whr battery, the heat problem is a DEFECT in the chassis and not the chip.

Well...the one other bit of anecdotal evidence is a friend of mine who fell on hard times and is currently working at Best Buy. Apparently the Diablo 3 numbers got circulated and suddenly a bunch of kids bound for college are all trying to get their hands on an m6-1035dx. Thus far only one of them has been returned, and actually yes it was for thermal reasons. If it becomes an epidemic I'll happily share whatever he's whining about on Facebook.

 

super low idle power consumption is just a marketing gimmick.
They can quote "up to xxx hours".

But if I were running on batteries, I would use sleep mode rather than leaving my laptop idle.

when you do actual work though, battery life isn't much greater than the llano.

I compared battery consumption rate of my llano and my briefly-owned A8, and they are both very similar when doing the same thing- 11-12 watts when you're actually doing something.


I just found out yesterday that coolsense has a high performance cooling setting that runs the fans more aggressively.

 

It depends the circumstance. Like you said, Trinity's efficiency is greatly diminished once it starts doing work. I would expect to get similar or potentially just a bit better battery life when gaming for example. But I spend a lot of time reading from static content, so the improved battery life there is appealing.

I wouldn't put a laptop to sleep every time I spend five minutes in a book, but I would appreciate if power usage drops to half while it sits idle. There is some utility in it for me, and possibly more utility for people who attend meetings or lectures.

The overall product hasn't delivered very well on its promises, but at least it's a decent intervening step toward the next chip. I am actually tempted to snare one of the new devices, but that can wait as I'm still very busy.

Still hoping to see an "ultrathin" with a nice screen. That 4655M's fat GPU could be an ace in the hole for several of my friends who do media editing.

 

Review of the A6-4400M equipped HP Pavilion g7-2053sg from Notebookcheck. Very similar outcome as far as heat and temps go compared to the HP Pavilion g7-2051sg except better battery life. I really think HP skimped in the cooling department with these notebooks.

 

1mm thinner > few C of heat when you try to sell a computer.

 

Some really crappy temperatures there, even from an A6. Terrible cooling then.