V2000z CPU question

Hi.

I'm from canada, so unfortunatly, I'm limited to the different models of notebook I can buy becuase HP shopping.ca sucks in canada.

Anyways, I was wondering what was the TDP on the Sempron 3000 used in the V2000z? is it the 62W or the 25W version?

Is it worth getting the Turion ML 28? for 300+ with dual layer DVD and conectivity ports?


My needs are very simple, I'm going to graduate after this year and jsut need laptop for taking notes, so battery life is very important to me. I'm just thinking of how to get the maximum battery life for taking notes

[Edit] Why would Compaq/HP even use the ML series when the MT series takes less power and is cheaper??!?!?!?

Thanks

 

The Sempron is the 25W version.

$300 Canadian for a ML28 and DVD burner? That does sound like it's a bit much. The ML37 would be more worthwhile. The Turions are guaranteed to be 64-bit capable. Some Semprons are 64-bit capable, some aren't. Assume the Sempron you'd order isn't one of them. If you want to be ready for 64-bit Windows Vista, buy a Turion.

You definitely want the 12 cell battery option.

I suspect HP gets the ML series instead of the slightly more expensive (at list price) MT series because they were able to negotiate a better deal. I'd prefer at least the option to buy MT's too, but there's always undervolting (see one of the numerous threads here on that).

 

Sempron used in V2000z is 25W versions and it also has power saving features like Turion. But not 64Bit capable. If 64Bit is not a concern I would suggest to go with Sempron.

MT is not cheaper than ML, it around $5 more. But problem is with quantity of MT series available.

 

Is undervolting an ML as effective as getting an MT?

 

I think so. especially ML-34 and below. Most of these chips are doing less than 1.2v( same as MT).

As per my calculation, and some other formulas available on some other websites,

http://forums.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=27429&highlight=formula

ML-34 running at 1.175V is consuming only 22.3 watts.( MT-34 24 watts).

Mine ML-37 running at 1.225V consumes around 25 Watts, same as MT-37.

At the typical 800MHz both of (MT and ML)these processors run at 1.0V and consume same power 7.9w. So even without undervolting battery life should not be much different for browsing, word editing etc.

Looks like ML are much better UNERVOLTERS than MT( I do not have 1st hand experience, but some other forum with MSI notebooks with Turion MT series not doing that great).

What I means is ML rated voltage is 1.45, but most are able to do fine around 1.2V and below. (Mine ML-37 1.225V at 10x). So the difference is around 0.25v+ . Where as MT series best I saw was 1.1v for a MT-30( Mine runs at 1.05V at 8x). MT-37 did not do good at all.

Initially I was also very unhappy about HP using ML series, but after researching all these facts I realized there is nothing much we are loosing using ML series.

BTW, the Thermal rating of AMD is worst case scenario, where as Intel gives at 75% of Max. So in reality these use same power as current generation Pentium M 27 watts. (35w x 0.75= 26.25w) but with added advantage of integrated memory controller.

But in Intel defence, they have specially designed, very good power optimized chipset for Pentium M, where as AMD does not have any thing like that. Turion laptop waste some power because of MB chipsets, not because of Processor. Check the laptop logic Clash of Titans review again.

Most other reviews are using different batteries etc. Like my previous Dell 600M with 1.5Ghz P-M with 53Whr battery used to last between 2:30Hr to 3:15Hr. Current V2000z with 43Whr battery is lasting for 2:45Hr to 3:00Hrs. Some of members V2000z has processor driver problems and did not give good batter life, otherwise I do not think it is problem at all.

 

The Clash of Titans was a worthwhile reading. Chinna, why don't you /if you have time of course/ prepare an undervolting guide; you are really into this stuff! It seems that a lot of people need it and we constantly redirect them to one of the undervolting threads /actually it's one real thread/.
I feel that v2000z is the most commented notebook of the forum, at least recently, so it might be even possible to make a sticky undervolting thread or something. I don't know what the moderators will say, though..

 

Well my MT runs between 0.9v and 1.2v and thats all standard. I tried unervolting it which that RMclock but it kept crashing when i tried to get it to run full speed at anything below 1.175. I dont realy care though, its still fairly power efficient at 1.2v

 

In the article "The Clash of the Titans" the Turion actually beats the P-M while in idle mode - facinating - you'd think the P-M would win. Well anyway, the Turion is supposed to be slightly better than the P-M in video editing and gaming, whereas the P-M is better at office apps, internet browsing, and general producivity. IMO, it doesn't really matter, but the P-M does have power consumption of the Turion if anything.

 

hey just curious - which is better battery, better performance, less heat the Turion (v2000z) or the Pentium M (say in the V4000t)? If you could have intel or amd no matter of price or anything which processer is really better??

 

The Intel P-M IMO is a slightly better mobile CPU than the Turion is. It provides better battery life and heat dissipation and edges out the Turion in overall performance as well.

 

Trouble is, you'll pay a LOT more to get that P-M. At any given price point the Turion is the better buy, and 64-bit capable, and if you're buying a thin-and-light with shared memory video the AMD CPU will likely be paired with an ATI GPU that's about 3x faster than Intel's GPU and it does DX9 in hardware.

 

Right now there is this thread in the Hardware forum,actually it's a poll, Turion vs Pentium M. There's some good info there,too; besides you can find the link to the Clash of Titans article if you're interested.

 

:hp: something that I wish HP guys and CEO pay attention more is........... WHEN DO YOU support high resolution monitor in 14" and 15.4" lappy............. arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

V2000Z is a nice buy for now, but I am not really confidence it can outrun Zv6000 or R4000z - even on Turion based. Yeah, Turion is much better choice than INTEL. Cheap and powerful!...


WHENNNN arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh