Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread

more evidence that HP has accelerated the CTO ordering of Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D. As of this writing, These Envy 3D pages are still describing the legacy Envy

...support information isn't available on the support website
...drivers are not posted on the ftp site
...std Envy is still orderable on the hpshopping page
...no big "we delivered what was promised Jan 4" splash

all this tells me that the mfg line is still old school, and ramping down.

 

I think those 3 expressions posted over and over give a clear picture as to how I feel on this whole secret release/unofficial of the Envy 17 3D SB edition......

Do we have any ideas when HP will finish updating the spec page of this refresh?
Also many of us wonder if HP will pull a fast one and release a newer version of the SB Envy 17 3D....as we discussed..... I feel as though I am still sitting on pins and needles.


KJ

 

the specifications on HP website shows that its second generation i7s

 

Only for the 3D version in the United States by the looks. HP has yet to change the specifications for the regular E17 and overall E17 page.

What really concerns me is that they didn't change ANYTHING design-wise. I want to see how hot the current chassis and cooling system can tolerate the heat dispersion of the 6850M (or 6830M that I have been seeing on European HP sites ).

 

That datasheet is for the older products though, however I did once own an Envy 17 3d (non-sb) so I knew what it had. What I meant to say was that I was disappointed in what little actually changed given the amount of time HP has had to rework the device (and how late they are to market with information on SB models). I was hoping to see at least two usb3 ports, a better touchpad, more ssd options, cheaper price, etc. I was just a little put off by the released info and I'm trying to make sense of the talks about the graphic card and if its hobbled like the old one was. HP has the case design, they just need to look at their competitors and match the specs 1:1 in the same price/performance brackets.

Yeah but apparently if you order an HP Envy without a second drive, the brackets and cables run you another $100 through support so it's not advantageous to beef it up after the fact. Personally I would order it with a 640GB 7200 drive and put in an SSD aftermarket.

I guess if you pick the slower SB cpu, but the faster one bumps it up to over $2,700.

Spec out the Dell XPS 17 3d:

• w/ 2720QM = $2,269
• w/ 2820QM = $2,469

So the Dell is between $300-$500 less (depending on CPU), gives you the possibility (for additional cost) of upgrading to 16GB RAM, a BluRay Writer, and a 256GB SSD compared to the new Envy.

Personally, I think HP dropped the ball on the SB Envy compared to its competitors.

 

dkimxd: the specs out there do agree with the datasheet (for the 3D), but notice what happens if you select a 3D 'quick ship' model: you will get the legacy Envy 17, not the new one! this tells me the legacy mfg line is still not yet converted over.

my sense is that this SB Envy 3D is the real deal, and just what HP promised back on January 4 including CoolSense and the mechanical design that this implies. Its a solid product; just not a stunner in terms of the technology specs -- but I'm convinced now that HP can't put a stronger GPU into this package because it can't be cooled with one fan. So unless you need a stronger GPU and are willing to put up with a larger, 2-fan system, the HP Envy 17 is going to be the ticket. I wish they would could stuff a 16GB mother board in there...

As for the uncertainties:

• if the drivers were out there we could infer somethings about the clickpad, which may or may not be the same as the current one.
• If the Std Envy was released we could better infer what HP is up to re: DV versus Envy and we "non 3D" guys could save a few bucks ,hopefully
• If the manual were published we could know a lot of things like fingerprint reader, vent locations, etc.

In my view, HP has just made the first step. with the March 21 build date in mind, we should see details pour in over the next 3 weeks. I'll be tempted to spring for this one if it contains the new clickpad 3, but without that i'm nervous. I was hoping for that.

The laptop business is constantly changing, so any inference one makes based on HP's past behavior is just not reliable. imho HP has to make a better statement, technology wise, and who knows this might occur in Late spring (click pad, maybe even 16GB RAM), and if you doubt that, pause to consider how quickly they refreshed the DV line! But Spring will be soon for Ivy Bridge (switchable 3D/DX11 graphics. yum), so maybe that will happen in the summer or fall?

 

good catch you are correct. that tells me HDMI 1.4 is in.

yes I quite agree. many of us had speculated that HP would use the "forced downtime" to sneek in some more wow, but it was not to be...and I agree on your list too (usb3, touchpad, ssd, especially for the $255 price increase they should have included those things.

Agreed on the case design. I'm not sure they can put in a stronger GP, but they sure could have done the things in your list...

 

I can concede the point on the graphics card. I'm looking for a good looking, professional laptop that can game on the side so I'll gladly accept a slower GPU. As for support, I didn't check. Oh well, I'll keep my eye on the Sony and Lenovo SB laptops. Maybe Asus will surprise us (though I doubt it). I really don't want a Dell.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-xps-studio-xps/556993-dell-xps-17-3d-sandy-bridge-has-arrived-recommended-specs-4.html#post7190015

QUOTE (SAVE YOU GOING THERE)
Re: The Dell XPS 17 3D with Sandy Bridge Has Arrived! Recommended Specs?
Been purchasing Dell computers, laptops and desktops, for over 20 years. I've put up with their ridiculous website year after year because on the whole I've liked their products.

But I have to say that trying to purchase the XPS 17 is finally the straw that breaks the camel's back. Twice in the last 24 hours I have tried to purchase a laptop without 3D. Just a 1920x1080 screen with a second generation quad core processor. Twice I finally succeeded in configuring a system only to find that an hour later the website would not allow me to complete the purchase (after putting the system in my cart).

I was even willing to put up with what I suspect is the loss of integrated graphics if I could just purchase the laptop without the silly 3D glasses and still get an FHD screen.

I've given up. I'll move to another brand. Dell has finally driven me away after 20 years.

Thought I would check out the DELL 17" threads, this is so funny....

 

cam121: just out of curiosity, why don't you want a Dell? I have a Dell who's keyboard drives me nuts and one of the touchpad keys broke, but that aside it wasnt a bad machine. I've just prefered HPs for many years and esp how well my dv8000t has performed, and my postitive experiences with HP support, I'll go back to HP in a heartbeat.

maybe the price will drop, who knows. HP has go to know that they are not winning the technology specs game on this round. If I just knew more about the clickpad, this SB envy fits my needs quite well.

I just spec'd out a 3D XPS with 2630 i7. mayby I'm missing something, but by the time I configured 2-yr BASIC support and blu-ray player with DVD writer, 8GB RAM, and the SSD+7200 rpm drive, the Dell came to $2326.99, just a bit more than the HP. But the Dell somes with the 256GB SSD. and it will be hard for Dell's basic support to beat HP's total care. I mean HP isn't perfect but I gotta say they are pretty good. and the HP Envy support clearly not 'basic'

 

snowman:lol maybe we shouldn't be so hard on HP. At least the hpshopping website is solid I can't stand having to buy photoshop elements when I already have it, but I can't blame the website itself!

 

What annoyed me the most when entering Dells' store is the small note in the right corner saying:

"Dell recommends Internet Explorer 8"

Are you serious? Why are they lying to us? Nobody in their right mind recommends IE. If they wanted to be honest they'd write
"Microsoft paid us huge $$ to recommend their crappy browser"

 

Bit of a tech newb here, so please be gentle

I've been interested in the SB Envy for a bit, and funny enough the day after I happened on this thread it became available! It seems the thread quickly turned very negative though, as before I had heard people touting the Envy 17 3D as being very high tech, but now people are saying it's lacking? I tend to get a new laptop every several years, and I like to get something top of the line that will last me, but I'm getting the impression that the Envy isn't it now, or am I mistaken?

From what I see, the XPS has nothing the Envy doesn't, except for the possibility of more RAM and a larger SSD. I'm interested in the mx17 when that goes back up spec wise, but I remember it being much more expensive, I think around $4000, compared to the $2000 I can get to max out the Envy (I don't really think I need the SSD...I mean booting up is quick enough anyway, it's not like some netbooks that literally take a few seconds). I'm not really sure how much better the XPS graphics card is than the Envy one as well, but I was under the impression the Envy's graphics card was pretty top of the line as well, though I get a different impression from some of these comments

For identical specs (minus the graphics card) it seems the Dell is about $150US more expensive than the Envy, but does come with a small discount (something I'm expecting the Envy will get soon as well). To really max out the XPS (again without the SSD) it seems to come out to $2285, which really isn't much more than the Envy is now. I must ask though, is 16 gigs of memory going to be standard even 6 years from now?

I guess I'm just a bit confused, as I've heard the build quality of the Envy was really top notch, and I want to make sure I'll be satisfied with what I get. I'm on an old Pavilion now that's really on it's last legs, and frankly the overheating issues make me worry about the Envy.

Sorry for the rambling post, thanks for any advice you can give!

 

lol lol lol Apoxxx! I didn't really like the push to upgrade the OS itself, but I can concede that point!

JDeNise: welcome to the forum and to Envy land. I hope we can be of assistance here. 16GB RAM and the SSD are the main points, yes. If those are important to you, then its worth a pause.

some of us are disapointed that the Sandy Bridge Envy didn't come with those things, but overall the 3D envy is a solid product imho. we just need to wait a bit for things to settle down (my opinion) to be sure we know what we're ordering. Me I'm waiting for the non-3D flavor to see if there is a cost advantage. So hang in there with us, unless the SSD and 16GB RAM are important, I still think the Envy is a better product, and supported better.

 

dlleno: Thanks for the welcome, and the help. I'm willing to wait another 2 months or so to see the impression people get of the Envy before taking the plunge (especially with how well the coolsense tech will be). I kinda wanted to stick with HP, since their service has been great, though I've had somewhat poor experiences with their products (I can't tell you how many times I sent my laptop back to get fixed under warranty for heat-related issues, and I use a giant cooling pad as well! This is actually the second computer, as they had to lemon the first one I boguht...).

I've heard good things about the build quality of the Envy so I'm hoping a lot of that is just in the past.

 

And so far from what I know and from what's shown in the benchmark AMD 6850 from HP Envy 17 is about the same with NVIDIA 555GT from Dell XPS 17.
Almost the same with 6850 is slightly better in certain aspect and 555GT slightly better in another aspect. Overall the differences between them is really minuscule.
Maybe 6850 better? Or I'm just a little biased haha

 

Ok, so I am not understanding things I guess. Is the sandy bridge envy 17 3d out or did they announce something? Sorry for not being able to follow the flow of conversation, but i've only got 4 days left for my 30 day return policy and not sure if I should bother. Is the set up THAT much better?

 

I'm an ex-dell employee. Nuff said! lol

Like I said, I didn't configure support because in all my years of owning computers I never went back to the company for support. Personally I think a warranty should cover any hardware defect for the expected life of a product (ie. 3 years for a computer). But since I'm not president I don't get to make the rules.

There is only two sticking points that are turning me against the new Envy:

• SSD - They really need to reduce the price considerably or match a 256GB SSD like Dell's.
• CPU - They need to offer a 2720QM CPU option for those who want better than the worst but not as expensive as the best.

 

Yes it is joshuavondoom, but it won't ship till the end of March, so keep that in mind if you choose to return your existing one. See www.hp.com under the Envy product line. Only the Envy 17 3D is updated for SB (ie. not the non-3D or the 14 series). Some of the verbiage still references the old model specs, but if you configure a new system you'll see the available options.

 

I still find it odd that the Envy 3D is still showing HDMI 1.3c. This is a total surprise to me especially since the DV series sports HDMI 1.4 . its got to be an oversight...

Also: anyone find it interesting that both HP and Dell are showing March 21 ship date?

 

definitely agree on the SSD. on the CPU I'm just not as bothered. there's only a 10% performance difference between the various performance levels**. also I'd really like HP to offer 16GB RAM

** EDIT: I need to clarify this. the incremental increase in clock speed from one CPU to "the next one up" is 10%. for example, the i7-2630QM clock speed is 2GHz with turbo boost up to 2.9GHz, while the i7-2720QM is 10% higher (2.2 GHz with turob bost up to 3.3 GHz). To each his own of course, but $200 for a 10% increase in clock speed isn't that attractive, imho.

 

Me too. For work I'd like to run multiple virtual machines and the extra RAM would help, but I could live with 8GB ram for now and hope that eventually 8GB DIMMs become affordable in the future.

It's attractive when you are running applications that push a single core to its limit or when running multiple VM's where you want CPU's to yield quicker so that the host isn't starved. However, pricing is of course relevant. Typically the bump for 6xx to 7xx cpu was about $100 ($125 in Dell's case) and the bump to 8xxx or extreme was larger ($325 in Dell's case). The main difference between models besides the clock speed is the increase in onboard cpu cache. More cache yields faster performance non-linear to clock speed increase. The 28xx has 2MB more cache than the 26xx/27xx cpu's.

 

I guess if one is that committed to pushing the limits, and the cost vs performance is worth it, then yes, certainly, the processor upgrades are worth considering. I'd still have to suggest that if one is running that close to the hairy edge, a 10% clock speed (from 26xx to 27xx) won't solve the real problem, and you probably need a different machine anyway -- and this assumes the app(s) are in fact bound by CPU clock speed. 28xx itself yields essentially no clock speed increase over 27xx but certainly its true that a 33% increase in L3 cache is bound to help, if it is worth $400, and as long as the app(s) you are running is actually and verifyably limited by the size of L3 cache, AND (again) you are committed to running those apps on a machine that is guarenteed to be running that close to its upper limit. AND the speed of RAM itself is not a factor.

But with respect to 28xx, the 10% increase in clock speed (over 26xx) combined with the 33% increase in the size of L3 cache, does open up the opportunity to make use of 1600MHz Ram, which is a 23% improvement in read/write speed. Then imho you would more likely see a meaningful performance bump, as long as the cost of the more expensive RAM is worth it as well, and assuming the amount of RAM or the front side bus itself is not holding things up! As soon as you remove one bottleneck, a new one appears

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not trying to suggest that there is no benefit to processor upgrades; just that to actually realize an incremental benefit, one needs to understand and account for a lot more detail. Moreover, along the way, it is still fruitful to ask "why would one spec out a machine soooo undersized for the task that it requires such monatary heroics to eek out a small but measureable improvement?

 

Glad to see the SB Envy 3D is out and shipping (hopefully) later this month.

Does anyone know if the AMD switchable graphics will work on the Envy 3D? I know there is a lot of chatter/complaints now that Dell's XPS 17-3D couldn't utilize nVidia's Optimius technology and was wondering if the Envy would have the same problem.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/del...-arrived-recommended-specs-8.html#post7197300

EDIT: Nevermind, sorry! Apparently it is not confirmed anywhere that the Envy will have switchable graphics.

 

Didn't they say the non 3D envy would be the first refresh out, then the 3D would come later in the year. I could have sworn I read that in one of the press releases but of course I can't find it now.

IMHO this isn't the true refresh, this is simply keeping the Envy 3D competitive until they can roll out the refresh. Their website is a mess, but I just can't believe they would not list the major new features if they were in fact available like HDMI 1.4, CoolSense, and Switchable graphics (along with the improved battery life that comes with it).

I guess we will find out in a few weeks.

 

no one has tried it yet, but HP claims "yes". per January 4 press release:

"AMD switchable graphics technology dynamically alternates between integrated graphics and AMD Radeon 6850M discrete graphics for enhanced performance and battery life"

 

Well, what they said is that future models of the Envy 17 3D are expected to include DDD's TriDef 3D Experience Ignition Game player. The January 4 press release discussed the Envy 17 as a whole (both std and 3D), and promised all the things we are now seeing in the new Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D.

The website is in transition, yes. Even the Envy 3D CTO page 'overiew' describes the legacy product -- so some cleanup is in order. IMHO this is the real refresh, as we are getting just what was promised last January 4 (press release), and we will see the std Envy 17 refreshed soon as well with the same goodies. For some reason, they are still accepting CTO orders for the non-3D version, which is odd, but tells me they are flushing inventory and making way for the new stuff.

in the last 24 hrs, the Envy 3D CTO ordering page has removed the "quick ship" option which took you to the legacy pre-built models of yesteryear. so thats good. it means you can't buy legacy 17 3D anymore.

 

back the truck up: yes HP confirmed since January 4 that Envy will have switchable graphics.

 

Hmm. Is that for non-3D or 3D? I'm reading that AMD Switchable Graphics is just that it uses the IGP when the computer is not plugged in, disabling the dGPU (100% electrically off, 0W). Anyone know if this works as intended with the Envy's 3D display?

 

depends on the app: Sandy Bridge integrated graphics does not support 3D or DX11, so anything 2D or DX10 will switch, and this behavior should apply to the Envy 17 3D as well. I've not seen any evidence that the switching behavior of Sandy Bridge is disabled when a 3D-capable display is present. no one has tested this in the wild, yet, however.

 

HP for Students - US The dv6t Quad, dv7t Quad, and the Envy 17 3D are now ready and available for purchase WITH Sandy Bridge! More info on other notebooks coming soon.
57 minutes ago via HP Publisher

Facebook HP for Students posted this

 

yes that happend U.S Saturday night 2/26.

 

So dlleno whats the next future date you're/we're waiting for? I'm assuming March 13th which is the Sunday about 2 weeks from now?

That's when Engadget says the new "g series" will be out for HP. It's the article where they discuss the refreshed dv6/dv7 will be getting Envy like features...

I'm hoping thats when the new Envy will also come out but who knows...

 

You do realize you just made my head spin! Hahha, yeah....I almost jumped at the news that the Envy 17 3D SB edition was out....but did not order like some of you guys...because we've learned a bit from the past...never know what HP is really up to....

Although if I may requote dlleno.....which is, he feels that this "is the real" Envy 17 3D SB edition...but I want to believe that there still might be something newer coming ....but I'm in the middle... I have no idea, and that is precisely why I choose to wait a bit, incase there is news.

KJ

 

Lol why would you get excited? Nothing really changed last Sunday. If you got the Envy section of HPs website you'll see that none of those laptops have the infamous red "NEW" tag underneath the name of the laptop.

So they haven't changed anything.

The dv6t and dv7t Quad Editions under "High Performance" have "NEW" besides the title...even though they were there a couple of weeks ago and were pulled due to the recall fiasco.

So when they finally update the Envy and regular dv6/dv7 I'm sure we'll see it reflected on the site as "NEW"

 

I was watching the Envy 3D 17 demo it made my heart beats so fast especially when it got to the details and I put my cursor over and saw all those cool features that was announced during the CES LOL

and I hate you guys. It's because you guys disproving and proving each other that my mind now is in chaos and keeps fluctuating. One part of me is trying to find evidence that this is the SB Envy 17 3D another part of me is telling me that it's not Sigh I feel so tired from this waiting game, I just want to get the "real" SB Envy 17 3D and get it over with and lock myself up for years until I need a new laptop. My 7yrs old laptop is dieing, I don't know how long I can wait. When will this waiting game end, HP?!?!

 

Trust me I Know how you're feeling. We just have to have faith that HP will have something truly worth the wait at the end of all this.

 

I'm not expecting another refresh on the 17 in a while, I'm overdue to buy this one, but I kinda wanna know how hot it runs first

 

This is the first time I can afford a Envy, and I want one soon, but with no old tech or crappy cooling system.

I cannot see having a Envy with an old gen CPU, and their soon to be released mid range DV6/DV7 with a new gen and faster CPU, competing against each other.

This waiting thread is getting very long now, the wait to exceeding expectations.

There is got to be something to be released around about now?
A new Evny, does any have any information to what is going to be?

 

The Envy 17 3D Sandy Bridge has been released since Sunday, although some of the specifications in the product demo, such as HDMI 1.4, do not match up with the specifications page.

 

I still think with 80% confidence that the Envy 17 3D is out there now is the real deal. What I feel is coming in the next 2-3 weeks is the Sandy Bridge standard (non-3D) Envy 17, AND (hopefully) a boatload of cleanup on the various hp.com content pages. what's out there now is nothing short of confusing, and to me implies that things are still under construction and will be updated in due time.

bingo -- you got it Killa. i'm not trying to say there wont be another refresh (witness how soon HP refreshed the DV series); I'm just saying that what we are seeing now appears to be the fulfilment of the CES press release . I'm waiting as well because that last 20% of my confidence needs more confirmation/assurance before I plunk down $2K lol for something that is not fully known!

The website is definately confusing, but what happend last sunday can be divined with some close reading. What I divine is that the Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D is released to order, and has committed ship dates. the problem is we can't yet find confirmation of everything promised at CES -- and thats what I'm waiting for.

On the Envy 17 3D CTO page here are my observations:

• The overview section/tab is still describing the legacy product. notice the reference to the 5850 GP, HDMI 1.3c, etc. This must surely mean that the right content has yet to be posted here
• The customer reviews are still reflecting the old product as well. in my view, a new refreshed product should reset the customer reviews to zero and not reflect the old comments, and I hope they do this.
• There is no "new" tag, that is true. why I don't know! Even the new Sandy Bridge DV7t-quad has that lol
• but the specs tab describes the new Sandy Bridge product with the right GP!
  [*] and the "quick ship" option no longer allows one to buy a legacy Envy 17 3D
  

On that last point: for 1-2 days after Sunday's release, the website was still offering (by mistake imho) a "quick ship" model. Meaning: you could configure a fully loaded Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D, perhaps you would notice the "March 21" build date, and then you might notice the "need a pc sooner?" link and look into the quick ship models. But when you did this, the quick ship models were pre-built legacy Envy 17s (not sandy bridge). This has now been replaced by a more general offer for other DVs G-series, and Envy 14s.

So there is no question that a Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D is now available to order. But there are some things we don't konw about it:

• We don't know of Widi is there
• We don't know what clickpad solution is there
• we don't know what CoolSense implimentation has been included
• We cant confirm HDMI 1.4

So we will just have to watch carefully over the next few days/weeks for additional information on these points.

 

here are my observations about the content in the product demo for Sandy Bridge Envy 17 3D:

• Widi is confirmed. I just want to see this on the product overview page
  
• switchable graphics is confirmed. This needs to be on the product overview as well
  
• Sandy Bridge is confirmed, as evidenced on the specs page as well
  
• 1600 MHz RAM is confirmed! but the ordering page doesn't allow selecting it. to me, this implies that if you select an upgraded i7-2820 processor you will get the 1600 MHz RAM. But this needs to be validated. The power of the2820 with 1600MHz RAM could be significant: slightly over 10% increase in clock speed, 33% increase in L3 Cache, and a 23% increase in memory speed. yay!
• HDMI 1.4 is, well, not clear. It does say up to 2560x1600 resolution displays via mini display port, but then for HDMI it simply says 1920x1080 which implies only 1.3.

There is one area that disapoints me: Remember the CES announcement, when we all saw the HP definition of CoolSense as both a hardware and a software solution? Well ... the product demo here makes mention only of HP Thermal Assistant software and for the first time (known to me) the term "CoolSense software" is used. The implication here is that CoolSense in the Envy 17 is not hardware related at all, but is really just the software portion. We need clarification on this point! I will say that, even if it is only software, the package should run cooler than today's Envy on account of Sandy Bridge itself, but I for one would really like better clarity around this.

on edit: if there is a hardware component to CoolSense in the SB Envy, then HP is silent about it. either there is none, or perhaps they didn't want to to generate too much buyers remorse for those who bought legacy Envy's!

 

Did the product demo specifically mention HDMI 1.4? if so i missed it, and starting to wonder if 1.4 is actually part of the new SB Envy. I hope I'm wrong and that would surprise me, but I just don't yet see strong enough evidence that 1.4 is in.

 

One more thing to add to the "want" list: the improved Beats audio*. Did they say anything about that?

Now, as for CoolSense, their description makes me think the software and firmware does this:

• Hooks into the hdd-protection accelerometer, to sense when laptop is on a desk
• Gives an interface (perhaps via ACPI) to change the fan speed curve
• Sets fan speeds higher when being used on the lap
• Gives a UI to enable/disable/override this behavior

I just hope CoolSense includes some hardware changes, as well.

* As long as it's at least on par with my EliteBook, that's satisfactory.

 

Just read your reply and you may have a point about the "NEW" tag. Perhaps it is legit but they are just slowly updating it and waiting for the mainstay Envys before they redo the entire Envy website.

 

The details part of the product demo mentions HDMI 1.4. These Envy 17 3D seem to be the real deal, unlike the dv6 and dv7 that are nothing like their product demos. I'll probably place an order for one using the $500 off coupon I used to purchase the defective dv7 SB.

 

I was wondering if the new Envy was capable of using wireless display technology?

 

Also anyone know the difference between the Envy 17 3D screen and the regular Envy 17 screen besides the 3D? I don't ever plan to use 3D and was wondering is the display is of higher quality on the Envy 17 3D. I ask this because I'm getting quite impatient with HP and might just pull the trigger on the Envy 17 3D Sandy Bridge.

 

ok I guess I'll need a pointer here, cuz I don't see it yet. The details section mentions 1920x1080 over HDMI, and 1.3 will do that and more. I don't even see any reference to any capabiity that requires 1.4 to fulfil (like the internal internet data line. why isn't this a bigger deal?) . I find this astonishing, and fully expect 1.4; I just don't see it mentioned anywhere!

I'm so jealous.... I hope the coupon works. let us know!

 

yes the product demo specifically mentions WiDi