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The m17x.R3 has a better GPU and more GPU choices. The Alienware m17x.R3 has a choice of either the Nvidia 460m (3DMark11 GPU = ~1639) or the Amd 6970m (3DMark11 GPU = ~ 2818) which pretty much beats up on the Envy Amd 6850m (3DMark11 GPU = ~1469). We don't know if the Envy will down clock its GPU like they did in the original Envy 17 3D with the Amd 5850. I believe the m17.r3 also can go up to 16GB ram, while the new Envy is limited to 8GB.
I am trying to choose between the two laptops myself. I just wish Alienware were designed by less tacky aliens or aliens who liked aluminum and more subtle designs. I find the Alienware ugly as sin, but its internals are too good to be ignored.
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Yeah, I went to their site and spec'd an M17x3D....besides GPU and having 16GB or ram....beh, I still think Envy rules hands down in looks, support, etc. Love it. Only thing left is for HP to finally clean up thier pages and we shall find out the real insides and outsides of the hotly anticipated Envy 17 3D SB edition!
(come on HP, I have some money burning a hole in my pocket, I know you want it! LOL
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KJ
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yep sounds right for this go around -- they must have updated the wireless card then for SB. The "with bluetooth" option for legacy Envy was not Intel it was Broadcom 4312G. So they had to have ditched broadcom or no Widi
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I soooo had to highlight what you said... Indeed, I am sure this is on the minds of most who roam the Waiting for the Envy 17 3D SB thread.... Can't wait myself.... Depends on HP's site fix up and when that happens if I order this sexy lap before the reviews come in or after...but ooohhhh yeah! She will be mine!
(Note my wait shall soon be over.)
KJ
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I'll be sure to post a review with some pics of the Envy 17 3D SB I just bought as soon as I get it.
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mcchea and noor, thank you guys. No doubt we all look forward to your pics/reviews/etc..... and anyone else who purchases this mysterious hot looking lap, thank you in advance.
KJ
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Ha yes, videos. I previously made the thread
"Regarding Envy 17 3D YouTube Videos" and will gladly make a new thread for the Envy 17 3D SB edition once people start getting their laptops in.
Yes, the HD 720p vids would be awesome.
KJ
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+1 cam121 this just has to be marketing and pricing according to what HP believes the Envy customer will pay. It might be entertaining to see what the sales reps say when one brings this up! Frankly (as noted below) I'm surprised at the $470 price tag and wonder if it will stay that low.That same drive is priced at $220 on the select edition, so there's some games going on here. But I still agree with you They should offer a single 256GB SSD (as in the Envy 14).
However, consider that this is a premium entertainment laptop pre-loaded with Tridef Ignition and photoshop premiere elements: The clear intended use is for is high def 3D and 2D movies, the management and editing of photos and high def home movies, and gaming. There's no way even a 256GB SSD is suffient space for that -- and my read is that HP isn't going to sell this laptop without enough storage to minimally support its intended use. So in that respect I don't think we will ever see a single SSD in the Envy 17, unless of course they become affordable in the >500GB size.
The other observation that comes to mind is that HP has done their pricing homework too, and they probably are well aware that substituting an SSD (after market) for an existing single HDD is quite costly for the end user, and requries a time commitment and skill level that is above the majority of Envy customers -- So my read is that they've priced the combination accordingly, and that the $470 option on the DV will go up or go away before the corresponding option on the Envy goes down (just imho, but at $470, no one with with a lick of sense would try to add the SSD after market, unless for the pure joy of the experience!). When you consider the cost of the bracketry, the drive itself, and the fact that HP does not install the OS or its recovery partitions in it, $600+ doesn't look so bad. Not to mention that even though HP supports the surrounding hardware, it will be much more difficult to obtain support when the end user has changed the primary disk drive to an SSD that HP cannot control or hasn't tested. Its certainly doable, but just adds another level of complication to the support process. -
Only reason I asked is because when the refresh came out a few people mentioned calling and getting $300 off, and I wasn't sure if it was through some code I didn't know about, or they just somehow were able to get the dv coupon applied to the Envy. Ah well, had to hope, right?
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vizz was the one who first mentioned he called HP to order the Envy 17 3D SB edition and plainly asked for the discount and got the $300 off! No coupons! Just call ask, and if they don't budge, say thanks, maybe later or sumfin, and call the next rep....continue, take breaks, eat, drink, try again....until you get the one rep who will work with you. Good luck.
KJ
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well from my perspective, I wouldn't attempt to substitute the supplied primary HDD with an aftermarket SSD unless it actually saved me more than a few $$ out of pocket. $470 is a bargain to me, and silly to turn down. I agree that the price of the bracket has assisted me with that choice, but welcome to the business world. By the way, as I know, these "after production" parts are managed in different inventory with a different, low-volume high-overhead process. $100 may be high, but it costs them a whole lot more to supply the bracket after purchase, and clearly someone has already calculated that including it with all shipments wasn't in HP's best interest.
absolutely +1 on that, but it will take market pressure to get HP to budge here. Maybe they are sitting on a bunch of 160s and need to clear them out. Are they taking advantage of the introductory market excitement? maybe. welcome to business and marketing 101
on your other points, I generally agree in terms of what would float my boat too, and even the actual costs to HP to image a PC, but it doesn't matter. HP isn't committed to social benevolence they are committed to profit, and they are not obligated to give us choices or allow us to strip down the configuration to best benefit our own balance of $$ and expertise. They will offer the configurations that they believe hit the sweet spot of the market they are trying to attract, and generate the revenue that some manager committed too and is evaluated against!
like you, I dont' like the fact that the SSD+640GB 7200 configuration is more expensive just because it is hosted in an envy. Like you, I suspect it doesn't cost HP more to put those things in an Envy versus a DV. But that doesn't matter either, because if HP thinks people will pay it, they will charge it. That said, HP changes their pricing all the time and reacts dynamically to market pressures versus their perceived opportunities to make money (like first product intro). that means its time for us as customers to play the game too.
playing the watching game and timing one's purchase is just as much part of the game as watching for coupons or negotiating for a better price. So we just have to wait to empty our wallets when the product becomes attractive enough, given our needs and wants. -
How would you even go about doing that though? Just a "oh, and could I get $300 off?"? Hey I guess it's worth a try, but is it done after going through the whole process of configuring the computer first?
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thats actully good idea and sounds very doable. these pc company would do anything to get/keep a customer(to a limit).
last time dell offer me $50 just because i called in and told them i want to return a laptop.
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yes. As I mentioned the first Envy 17 3D I purchased from HP sales when I called, after configuration, I asked them to give me a the best price. The lady first said $100.... I said, uhm....please do better. She saw my hesitation, and said she needs to speak to her supervisor...bla bla bla
comes back and tells me the best they can do is $150. I admit, I was not on my game and gave in. They loved my money $$$$ lol, anyway.... as vizz pointed out, we can actually try for the $300, but you do have to be really lucky to get that one sweet rep. I know, some of you get reps that will give you the $50 to $100...but from myself, vizz, and others, we should now be ready to be a little more frugal....not cheap, just smarter, persistent shoppers.
If some don't have the gumption to ask for the $300 I understand. It takes getting used to, I have not gotten that good, but I will try when I order my Envy 17 3D SB shortly. Infact, I might not wait for the reviews either! Hahaha, I just might order in a week or so....I'll keep you guys updated.
P.S. Glad to have it confirmed to be HDMI 1.4
KJ
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I know some people bought a defective Sandy Bridge dv7 and dv6 using the $500 off coupon and then returned it. If you're one of those people, call the resolution center they should allow you to redeem that $500 off an Envy 17 3D (even though the coupon was specifically for the dv series back then) and apply to an EPP order if you wish. I got a total of $640 off the Envy 17 3D SB I just purchased in my sig for $1005.79, only $26.75 more than the defective dv7 I bought (and the Envy 17 3D is a lot more powerful). I'm so glad Intel screwed up.
Waiting for Envy 17 3D SB thread
Discussion in 'HP' started by jywang, Jan 14, 2011.
