When can we expect a new lineup of pavilions? (Penryn, etc)

i was wondering when can we expect pavilions with the new penryn chip in the stores?

is hp going to issue a new series?

will they include better gpus, like the 8600 GT?

cant seem to find any info on this. thanks!

 

Monetvina (Intel) and PUMA (AMD) will be the new chipsets due out by late June. Expect a new series number per line and perhaps a new line or two.

HP will also be going with ATI discrete and integrated graphics solutions.

 

Interesting tidbit. So it sounds like HP will switch from nVidia to ATi chipsets on the next AMD models (if it applies to the consumer lines).

Obviously the Intel models will still be using in-house chipsets.....

 

does any body know if the 9700 replacement will have higher than a low/middle class gpu?

 

1. very good question, i held off on a current 9700, to wait for a updated model with penryn and hopefully a higher end gpu.

 

thanks. do you know if hp will continue with thier 6500, 9700 series for penryn for the time being?

 

So are they going to keep using NVIDIA graphics cards for the Intel-based Pavilions?

 

Yeah, they usually overlap the old series with the new series for a week or two before phasing the old out. But you have plenty of time. New series not due out until June or so.

 

As a option, most likely. Dell and HP have invested quite a bit into ATI's new 3xxx Radeon Mobility series cards. Since they're cheaper and perform better than the GS series of Nvidia's 8xxx and will probably be on par with the 9xxxx series cards, I suppose they might keep it as an option for those who recognize and appreciate Nvidia's brand. But they will be pushing the ATI since they will make more $$$ selling those given the slightly widened margin.

I mean, if using ATI gives them a +$20 margin and HP sells 2 million units...

 

It's possible that they may have as an option the Radeon Mobility 3870. But it's more likely that they'll offer a Nvidia 9650M GS and ATI Radeon Mobility 3650 in the 17".

They're also going to debut a 16" LCD screen lappy sometime this year. (So will Dell.)

One other thing to look out for, HP and Dell have purchased illuminated keyboards from the same company (Darfon) that manufacturers them for the MAC.

 

do you expect a newer gpu in the pre-montvina penryn models you described to me? The highest i see now is the 512 8600 GS, id like to know if a GT or higher will be included in the upgraded 9700 series.

 

It would be a pleasant surprise, but I seriously doubt it. The thermal characteristics of the present Pavilions would likely deter that, and it also would be intruding into HDX territory........

 

I was under the impression that the Penryn chips are ALREADY being offered in the current Pavillion (dv9700t, dv6700t) laptops from HP. I just ordered one (foolishly) with an intel T9300 2.5 ghz 800Mhz and an NVIDIA 8600M GS GPU.

 

There will be no pre-Montevina models. Next line up comes in June or so when Monetvina and Puma debut. (Only new model slated to come out before then that I'm aware of is HP's UMPC the 2133.)

There's a remote possibility of Nvidia's GT version of a given series, but HP will be concentrating on ATI's GPU's which will give similiar performance but better power consumption and video quality.

Have a look at the specs of the 3xxx series:

HD 3600 Mobility: http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd3600/specs.html

HD 3400 Mobility: http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRadeonhd3400/index.html

If you want to compare likely performance, you can compare the ATI desktop version of these cards with Nvidia's. But when comapring Nvidia's you have to find the closet desktop equivalent to their mobile since Nvidia tends to cut out stream processors and lowers clocks for their mobiles.

And as R4000 said, don't expect to see 4870 Radeon in a 17" lappy. That's HDX territory. 3870 Radeon, maybe, if HP is feeling generous and it fits within their design power consumption profile.

 

Peryrn and Montevina are not the same thing. Penryn is a 45nm CPU. Montevina is a platform which consists of Penryn CPU, Cantiga chipset (ICH9 south bridge, 1066Mhz FSB, supports RAM up to 800mhz DDR3, etc.), and Robson 2. Basically, it's what makes up the motherboard.

The current chipset, and the one in which you bought is called Santa Rosa. Has 800mhz FSB, ICH8 south bridge, and supports RAM up to DDR2-800. It can use Penryn CPU's because it has what called socket P.

 

noob poster w/ a new 9700t, long time lurker. Anyway, What's everyones hold up on the 8600m gs? Correct me if I'm wrong but according to nvidia's website it looks as if the m is faster. Am I interpreting it wrong? From nvidia's site:

GeForce8600M GS / GeForc8600M GT
Stream Processors 16 / 32
Core Clock (MHz) 600 / 475
Shader Clock (MHz) 1200 / 950
Memory Clock (MHz) 700 / 700
Maximum Memory 512MB / 512MB
Memory Interface 128-bit / 128-bit

I have no issues w/ my 8600 playing cod4, quake 4, hl2 series, ect at med to high settings :shrug:

 

Slower because the stream processors are less. More stream processors equal more work done per clock cycle.

 

what i meant by pre montevina, was a updated 9700 model with a penryn in it.

To sum my reason for these inquires is that im currently looking at a 9700 model, the DV9774,CA, which includes a 2.0 mermon processor, 3G ram, and a 8600m GS 512 and i would like to know if its worth to hold of another few weeks to see if a similar system will come out with some updated features, or am i expecting too much? model: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10098019&catid=#

if its a remote possibilty of seeing an updated gpu and a 10% processor perfomance increase, it is worth it? I wish i knew the answer to this question,
it seems box stores have been blowing out inventories as was previously mentioned, with these great sale prices.

even though id would like to pick up the newest model available, im looking to pick something up in the near future and im willing to wait a few weeks if its worth it.

i'd appreciate any help with this.

 

Wow, that's a good sale price. With a Bluray ROM too? That'll be hard to beat.

Though for a 17" screen, I'd opt for the 1680x1050 res. But 1440x900 is fine.

In any event, between now and Monte's release, very to extremely low likelihood that a new GPU will be released for the 97xx series or any of their current Santa Rosa line. No point in HP doing this. The only thing you get for waiting a few weeks is more bang/options for your buck. Just a month ago 2GB was the lowest mem config. Now it's 3GB. Yet the overall price has dropped.

For certain, you will not get sale prices like these when the new model's debut this summer.

So if you're game and don't mind not having the latest and greatest, buy now or in a couple of weeks. Especially if price or price/performance is the main thing. I couldn't tell you just how much faster the new line up will be without seeing the actual specs. But it will be faster. Every platform update is. Even the interim refreshes are. And you always get better options with newer platforms. Better GPUs, larger/faster HDDs, better screens, etc.

You'll regret it depending on what you're looking to do with your lappy. If it's mostly web browsing and email, latest and greatest doesn't mean all that much. If you use it for business, maybe it will. School? not really. Gaming? Occasional or otherwise, every bit of perf increase adds to the experience.

Here's the other thing. If you buy a new lappy every 2 to 3 years, you don't have to worry so much. 2010 brings Windows 7 and platforms that are far more advanced than today. Better everything. So all the games you couldn't run so well today, you'll be able to run them in 2 years. Plus all these features will cost you the same (not taking inflation into account) tomorrow as they do today. So you can think of it as, if you spend $1300 today, tomorrow (2 yrs or so from now) I'll spend the same yet get 2x-3x the performance. As opposed to spending say, $2000 in a couple of months only to lock yourself into spending another $2000 tomorrow to eclipse the performance of what you bought 2 years ago.

Just trying to hit it from a number of angles. Hope this helps a bit.

 

Thanks. I got it now.You have been helpful... Now, If only I can win the lottery by June...

 

hmmm... 2.0 how do you know that hp and dell have purchased illuminated keyboards? anyway thats really nice to hear..always wished hp had those keyboards...

i would be getting my laptop in july early if not late june, i hope july early.

 

It was a news item in January from several industry news sources. I posted it on here somewhere. Digitimes was first to report that they were buying keyboards from Darfon. That's the company that makes MAC keyboards.

Then in February, in industry analyst was recommending Darfon's(Taiwan`s Qisda Group) stock due to orders from HP and DELL for their keyboards. Expected revenue growth because of this was going to be on the order of +50% year over year.

Thing is, there's no telling exactly what lines would be getting the keyboards. It could be all of them. I don't think Darfon is capable of scaling production up that quickly to satisfy both Dell and HP. Considering that both sell tens of millions of notebooks per year, I'm going to assume only select lines will initially have these keyboards. Particularly the high margin lines like the HDX and their forthcoming 16" LCD lappy. I seriously doubt that the 15" DV6xxx series will get them considering that HP sells more of these than any other line. Maybe a special edition DV6xxx will get them to compete against the MACbook. Expect a price premium for something like that.