Who else is waiting for the 8510 to come out?

I'm pretty sure that the p model is the one I'm going to go with; however, I've never owned a HP laptop. How is the build quality on their business lines? I've read that their business lines are built much better than their consumer lines. The only laptop experience I have is my brothers Toshiba that is dying/dead after 4 years, an old thinkpad that only died becasue I wanted to play with its innards, and two dells that I was not impressed with (both were Latitudes, one died after 3 years, other one is about 1.5 years old). I'm really hoping the 8510 is close to IBM (not Lenovo, apparently they are putting the TPad name down the drain ) build quality.

 

Im definatley waiting for the 8510W with the WUXGA screen and BluRay drive. . . 1080P BluRay movie watching on a 15.4" screen FTW!

 

Don't forget about HDMI out too

 

Woo hoo, it is going to be one sexy laptop.

 

I'm strongly considering getting the 8510p when it comes out. I'm interested to see the X2600 performance.


(the 8510p is the reason I'm selling my 8430, lol)

 

I have been waiting for the 8510p for about a month now, and am anxiously anticipating the July 2nd release.

 

Do we have any indication on what an 8510p may cost, configured with a T7300 centrino, 120 gb hard drive, X2600, and 2gb ram?

 

Dumb comment

 

Around $2000. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less.

 

Apparently, bashing Lenovo for no reason seems to be typical for this part of forum.

The HP business line is really close to the Lenovo ThinkPad Series in terms of build quality and keyboard, so yes they are excellent notebooks, lightyears better than HP Pavilions, no comparison.

The previous version of the HP 8510p - nc8430 was one of the best built notebooks out there, so this is supposed to be the same.

 

That's somewhat depressing...here's to hoping it's a bit less

If I don't get this then its back to arguing between the Latitude D830 and the MBP.

 

Okay,
I hope I won't hurt anybody:
. Blu-Ray drive will raise the price of a laptop by at least USD 575-650 (compared to model with DVD+-RW DL SM).
. WUXGA will be available probably only in 8510w (workstation model); but I don't have it confirmed yet.
. T7300, 2GB RAM, 120GB drive, DVD+-RW SM, WSXGA+ could be around USD 1850 (+-10-15% .
. Warranty is 3 years long (which is nice; some nc8430s had 1 year only).
. Generally speaking, pricing should be roughly the same as of nc8430 except RAM (capacity should be double for the same price) and HDD.

 

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-3329741-3369263.html

From $2200 to $3400 (yikes) for the 8510w (workstation) model.



8510p should be just around the corner, hopefully.

*EDIT* the 8710p/w models also look to be available now. The 8510p looks like it will be the last to go on sale. I'm guessing because of the ATI graphics(?) Looking at the prices of the 8710p, I'm happy to assume that a nice mid-range 8510p won't break the bank after all.

 

Ouch.

Also, all the w models have 3 year onsite. hopefully that has something to do with the prices. And it looks like adding a BluRay drive will cost you atleast $300.

Maybe it's worth waiting for the T61p's to come out. They are rumored to have about the same specs as some of the w's.

 

Maybe. I wish HP would finalize the prices on the 8510p. You know, the model that practically everyone is waiting for....ugh.

I for one don't need blu-ray. Just a decent graphics chip, at least 2gigs of ram, and a screen with at least a sxga resolution.

 

I love how the $2200 model doesn't have bluetooth. You need to get the $2500 model for that.

EDIT: Oops, sorry. I meant you need to get the $2600 model for that.

 

It is a very valid comment, given all the thread in the Levono section of the site detailing horrid issues with a few lines of notebooks. Not to mention Levono not canceling orders as requested, shipping notebooks 2-3 months after ordering, BSOD cities, etc.

Levono is not IBM...and the OP wanted to make the distinction because he is looking for something as high-quality as the Thinkpads-of-old.

 

and HP doesn't do stupid commercials like submerging a Thinkpad into a NASA tank full of water, proving nothing in the process.

 

Not at all.

Care to know what these *horrid issues* are?

And, I'm positive that you will find a few people complaining that their ThinkPads cannot fly... but well, at least the new HPs seem to have very *powerful* fans so most probably they will be able to do so...

Their shipping problems aren't exactly connected with the quality of the notebooks they offer.

True, Lenovo is Lenovo and offers the present generation of high-quality ThinkPads. And, if you're gonna claim that the *Thinkpads-of-old* were higher quality or something that at least try to add some facts next time.

...because HP doesn't have the brains to do commercials at all.

 

I've seen plenty of HP commercials, at least for Pavilions. They're pretty stupid in their own right as well.

I personally have yet to see all the "facts" as to why Thinkpads are the kings of portable durability when it comes to affordable business class notebooks. You know, I'm sure General Motors has facts too to backup their claims that Chevrolet produces "the longest lasting trucks on the road"....right.

As for Lenovo's shipping woes, it doesn't really say much of their product, but it says a whole lot about the company. The "Facts" may deem HP's business models as always being inferior to Thinkpads (I personally think HP's models offer a better performance value), but HP might just actually get their product to their customers in a timely fashion.

I'm not dissing Thinkpads. I'm sure they've earned a good reputation over many years. I just think HP's offer more bang for my buck.

 

Tell me why has it become such a taboo to criticise Lenovo and their Thinkpad line on this forum (this is not forum.thinkpads.com!)? I have my fair share of HP criticisms too and have also believed that Thinkpads under Lenovo are just as good as they were under IBM (I don't buy into all this talk about Lenovo having poor QC at all), but I just like to state my opinion that HP current business notebooks present better overall value than Lenovo's current Thinkpad line. It's always an endless game, where each round, one emerges a stronger competitor. Maybe the next iteration of the Thinkpads might be better. This is MY opinion, based on MY experiences and I have no affiliation with either HP nor Lenovo.

 

It would seem based on this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=121909

that the 8510p will start at $1599.

 

Ugh, why are all the new models EXCEPT the 8510p available now?

Maybe it's the X2600 card that's holding things up?

 

Yeah, that's the HP section and you don't just criticize Lenovo, but you just use any chance to bad mouth Lenovo for no reason.

If you have to say something specific about a particular ThinkPad model then just do it or even better start a thread in the Lenovo section and criticize them as much as you wish if you can…

I personally would criticize them a lot and I do it, because there are some things that I don’t like… but at least I usually point out what exactly I don't like instead of talking in general as you do all the time.

And, what exactly is your opinion at the end?

Last time you said that "HP business line is superior to ThinkPads" then when I asked you about facts, you said "they are on par"….and now, HPs just "present better overall value"… And, that makes me wonder what's next?

Honestly, I’m not sure whether you even have an opinion anymore…

Blanket statements like "HP current business notebooks present better overall value than Lenovo's current Thinkpad line." are nothing but ridiculous generalizations... and people usually make similar statements when they have nothing to say.... at least try to explain why. Not to mention that they don't offer that much comparable models...

Stop action like a HP fan boy then… or at least next time when you tell people that HPs are superior to ThinkPads make sure you also tell them that's just your biased opinion and you cannot back it up in any way...

 

take the flame war to another thread kthx.

 

1) Care to know what these *horrid issues* are?

Just a few...
T61 Delayed
More Delays
Customer Burnt by customer service
Screwy speakers
Interesting shipment issues
BSODs
Big Delays
Problems out of the box
My favorite example of what to not do (Meyer's discount)
More BSODs
BSODs again

This isn't all of them, and quite frankly EVERY manufacturer has issues sometimes. Dell had the Memory Parity issue, HP the dv8000 keyboard disaster, IBM has a few machines that are BSODing right now and there is a huge problem with actually shipping units from what I read. Admittedly, many of these issues are service related, but the massive BSOD issues I've read up on were a problem that should never have happened...and hopefully can be fixed.

2) And, I'm positive that you will find a few people complaining that their ThinkPads cannot fly... but well, at least the new HPs seem to have very *powerful* fans so most probably they will be able to do so...

True... And yes, some HPs just about have enough fan juice to fly!

3) Their shipping problems aren't exactly connected with the quality of the notebooks they offer.

No, you are right. I'm just speculating if this is a sign of a changing corporation. After all, IBM did sell the Thinkpad line and we're probably seeing the hiccups of the transfer right now.

4) True, Lenovo is Lenovo and offers the present generation of high-quality ThinkPads. And, if you're gonna claim that the *Thinkpads-of-old* were higher quality or something that at least try to add some facts next time.

I ALWAYS had the impression that that IBM Thinkpads were the golden, top notch, PC to have. I don't have data to back that up...but that was certainly the impressions I had...and given a *few* of those Levono issues there may be a distinction between the two ('old' and 'new') that might be worth highlighting. One hardware difference... plastic materials! Cost savings look to be passed on to the consumer, but I don't think plastic is as good as metal no? And if there are other differences in quality that negatively impact the Thinkpad line now, wouldn't it be fair to at least vent and compare to other brands quality-wise? That's what the OP wanted to do...he is concerned about the quality not being what it has been in the past. All I was trying to say in my last post was 'he is concerned based on what he's read (some of it in our forums) and wants to compare to find the best machine.'

5) ...because HP doesn't have the brains to do commercials at all.

Not too sure where this comment came from (not about my post at least), but I have to pitch in! A notebook in water is funny...

Wait a minute...isn't this the HP forum ?

 

Most of these are either software or shipping problems, not related to the quality of the product. Other than that, you can find similar stories about every brand as you said. Both of them will be fixed anyways.

You know about HP's fans issues so.... Not to mention that I had an argument with a guy that claimed that you should not buy any HP business notebooks because he bought a few and all of them had BSOD issues. That was last week in the WNSIB section.

Just don't want to continue that...

It's not just plastic, it's carbon fibre reinforced plastic and most of the high-end notebooks are made of that. It's lighter, more expensive material and it can be equally strong or even stronger than the magnesium alloy they used in the past.

Of course, you could compare them to whatever you wish as long as you do your homework. In other word, check out the facts first.

 

Listen guys, HP vs. Lenovo is another thread; this one is purely about 8510p and its shipping dates. So don't post OT please.

Anyway, I spoke today with some distributors and they are awaiting some models in mid-July.

 

Well I was refreshing the page with all the "extreme power" hp compaq notebooks. Somebody seems to have screwed up under 8510p; it's got a configure button which leads to some random desktop model.

But maybe this means they'll be adding it soon?

Anyway if they fix it by the time you look, heres a screenie:

 

HP Compaq new P and B series are really getting good reviews.

Anyway their Biz range of notebooks have always been good, but the price tag puts many off.

 

How is the screen quality though?

 

I'd say the same as in nc8430 and/or nw8440.

 

So how is the quality of the nc8430/8440? =P