Why do people continually say the DV5T is not a "gaming" machine?

Just because it does not cost 3000$ does not mean something is not a "gaming" machine.

The DV5T with a 9600 NVidia is PERFECTLY capable of playing all current games. It runs crysis at 40+ FPS. How is it "not a gaming machine"?

So why the elitism and telling people "only get a DV5T if you are not a gamer"?

DV5T is a great low priced gaming notebook.

 

the 9600 GT is not a fantastic gaming card, it is alright for most things but will struggle with the newer games. I don't know how you could get 40 or more fps in crysis unless you had everything set so low. it is a good computer, great processors and other options... but it's not a gaming beast.

 

You right, it is not a "Gaming beast". But for the price it lets you play modern games... and that is a great deal.

It is not some overpriced Alienware for 4000$ but it will play crysis for 800 bucks.. that is a darn good deal for on the go gaming.

 

I dual box WoW with mine, smooth sailing. And that's all I wanted it to do.

My wife wanted hers to be able to play games like Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 and games of that nature. Done.

So we're happy with the way it plays games.

 

I just turn it on, stare at the desktop, then go to sleep (repeat as the days go on).

 

Just this guy named Gilderoy has been going around saying this is not a gaming machine. Not sure what his deal is

 

He means it's not a "high end" gaming machine.

Although he could mean it's not a gaming machine, its a laptop, that has the ability to play games.

 

Try posting this in the gaming section of NBR and see what sort of responses you get.

If you ever owned a notebook with an enthusiast level GPU, or even a desktop with an enthusiast level GPU, you'd understand quite well how it's not a gaming machine. 9600M GT is not what one would consider a gaming GPU. It's not meant to play games the way they should be played. If you ever played a modern game at native resolution (set at the resolution of the LCD) with all graphic details set to max, you'd understand the relative difference between that and a mid-tier GPU like the 8600M/9600M GT.

It's got nothing to do with elitism. You can get a gaming capable notebook with an enthusiast level GPU for under $2000.

Say, you're all about getting what you paid for, right? So you spend $60 on a game only to be able to enjoy 30% of what was intended and you're not complaining?

Playing Crysis at 40 FPS with resolution set fairly below native and graphic details on Low/Med does not constitute the full experience. You want to enjoy as much as possible of the game. Otherwise, you're missing out.

 

A "gaming" laptop is usually referring to laptops that can run a game like crysis at high settings, laptops with GPU's like the 9800M GTS or some variations of that.

No doubt a 9600M GT can play the highest games at low settings, but it's still lacking some and is usually regarded to as a performance laptop. Not weak, but not enough, thus it's not a gaming laptop.

And what do you care what another person says?

 

I just didn't have the willpower to try to explain this to Xythil. He's got the comprehension of a 3 year old. You said it PERFECTLY.

 

Heres the thing man.

1) My last Notebook was a Alienware, cost 3,500..
2) Some people are not graphics "whores". Some people just want to play the game, not look at pretty pixels.
3) Some people 2000$ is too much.
4) You don't need cutting edge tech to be a gamer. That is elitism.


DV5T is a pretty incredible mobile gaming platform for those on a budget. And to insult people for buying one for gaming is elitist and rude.

Heck the DV5T is superior to the dell XPS series, it has a better video card.

 

1) No one told you to get an overpriced alienware.
2) Ok, I agree.
3) I agree again.
4) No you don't, but the accepted term for a gaming notebook here is a notebook with high graphics for the most "extreme" gamers.

 

Chango I am not saying this is the desktop replacement gaming powerhouse of the century.

HEre is my situation.

I am currently in graduate school. I move around alot. When I graduate I plan on building a cutting edge desktop.

What I want in a notebook is something for interent, word processing, and the ability to play World of Warcraft and strategy games like Starcraft 2 while I am in school and on the move. This is until I get settled and can build a nice desktop for gaming.

So what makes more sense?

Buying a 2000$ laptop to get 120 FPS in Crysis right now and have to replace it in 2 years for any quality gaming?

Or spend 800 bucks on a laptop that can play Crysis, maybe not amazing looking, but play it so I can enjoy the gameplay... and I will also have an easily transportable notebook for work/school and on the go gaming.

I then have 1200 bucks left over to build a cutting edge desktop in 2 years or so

See where I am coming from now?

 

Uh, I NEVER said it was a bad choice to get a dv5t, I just said, the common accepted term for a gaming laptop is a laptop with graphics like the 9800M GTS (currently anyway). It doesn't matter what you consider it, it's what most people consider to be a "gaming" laptop.

Go ahead and play your games with the dv5t, nobody is saying it is bad, it's just that when people want a "gaming" laptop, they want something like a Sager NP8660 or so.

I'm not hating on the fact you got the dv5t, so stop thinking of it that way. If people want to buy a gaming laptop, let them.

 

Are you serious? If visuals are all that matter to you I suggest you take a look out your window. I heard they blow most pc graphics away.

 

lol so true.

Same people who are like a PS3 or a 360 is worthless if you don't have an HDTV lol

And Chango I didn't think you were saying it was a bad choice. I was just explaining where I was coming from, because that Gilderoy guy has been following me around insulting me

Telling me I shouldn't expect the volume controls to work because it is not a "Gaming" laptop.

 

That's pretty dumb excuse, I agree.

 

But leave it to Xythil to distort my words as usual.

Cause that is sound advice, returning a laptop because of sounds controls, didn't you know?

Like I mention in another thread, I've had the unfortunate luck in accidentlly reading Xythil's post (how can you not? they are flooding the forums) and after seeing soo much doubt, soo many complaints, I finally made the comment to him in 1 of his many many many many many threads (in this one he was complaining about the sound controls) that maybe he should return the laptop and get something better suited to his needs. And well, he's beatin this dog to death. Poor dog... Xythil just kept banging away and it doesn't even make sense. Why would I tell someone to return a laptop simply because they didn't like the volume control. Xythil just likes to distort everything I say. It's actually quite humorous now.. what is he going to say next.

 

Because you did.

Asking questions about laptops is the point of these forums. If you don't like it I suggest you go troll gamefaqs.com

And ya Chango99, it is pretty ridiculous.

 

Did you ever think that maybe you two just have different views on things? Xythil, perhaps this will help you understand...

I'm a gamer. I've also been a computer enthusiast for, uhm... 27 years now. I've spent the last decade building my own PCs, spending a few grand a year on the baddest *** graphics cards and procs, getting more RAM, going SLI, taking in the PhysX. I also felt that my 360 would be useless without my HDTV.

Today I'm still a gamer. But I'm also a full time student again. My wife and I both go to school full time and I also work full time. I need portability. I still play games, but it's not my priority. I purchased an HP HDX 16t with a 9600m GT. I KNOW it isn't a killer card (nothing like my SLI'd 8800GTs in my desktop that I'm now getting rid of). I still love this laptop. I can play games on it, of course... but I would still never call it a "gaming system".

See, a "gaming system" does more than just play games. Most games will at least RUN on any system less than a couple of years old. Sure, the graphics are not the only thing that matters. But there are some perks. One example that I've found annoying since moving solely to my laptop... draw distance in WAR. I run one step below native resolution to prevent stutter. That coupled with a nearer draw distance means that I don't see the bad guys as early as they see me. For a single-player game, this isn't likely to be a hassle. In an MMO, it can suck.

So, Xythil, while I agree that the 9600m GT is a good card... and is playing games well enough for me, I must also admit that my system is NOT a gaming system. I don't see why you have to be butt hurt about it. Gilderoy, I don't see why you need to be butt hurt that Xythil is trying to defend his rig. That's every enthusiasts right.

At any rate, let's play nice kidlings!

 

well for me..
gaming experience comes first....
then graphics goes second.

whats good games with superb graphics if you dont even have any fun playing it?

 

You dont need an HDTV to enjoy gears of war 2 or Fable 2... It just looks a little crisper. It is the exact same game.

You also don't need cutting edge SLI... especially for MMOs.

To say somones computer is not a "Gaming" computer because it doesn't have cutting edge tech is elitist and wrong.

And a 9600GT runs WAR at max draw distance... not sure what you are doing wrong.

I run both WoW and WAR with max draw distance.

 

I suppose this counts for wit. I'm not so good at figuring that sort of thing out often enough to be called an expert. But I do know it's fun to pop in a thread and pick out a piece of a post to run with. Especially out of context. Sometimes such a thing ends up a classic notable quotable.

I don't think today is that day.

In any event, since you asked what matters to me when it comes to PC games, I will happily tell you. Wait, perhaps you didn't. You might have assumed. Well, let's give the benefit of the doubt.

Matter of fact, I will list them in personal order of preference.

1. Game design.
2. FPS.
3. Ability to play at native resolution.
4. Visuals.

And there we have it. Easy enough.

But the crux of the matter is the definition of gaming notebook. I think that has been sufficiently defined.

 

Gaming notebook or not is subjective to ones opinion.

DV pavilions have always been labeled as 'Entertainment Notebooks' by HP

 

You're a very special individual. We don't see the likes of you on these boards often. I appreciate that. But it's as if you're on a crusade to redefine commonly accepted terms in order to better suit them to you way of looking at things and to justify your general angst with the state of technical affairs.

The degree to which a computer can play games determines whether or not it's a bonafide gaming computer. There is a threshold. And when you pass that threshold, there are even higher sub levels of classification. Anything below that threshold is consider to be fit for casual gaming.

Is it wrong or elitist? Don't be silly. With your brand of relativism, someone with a netbook outfitted with VIA graphics can look at you and call you elitist if you say to them that their netbook is not a gaming computer after they tried to pull the same stunt with words as you are doing here.

There has to be a demarcation somewhere otherwise words and terms have no meaning.

In fact, if you ran a computer company and sold a computer with 9600M GT as a gaming kit, you'd lose credibility. What's more you'd probably be thought of as a scam artist if you listed that it can play Crysis @ 40FPS without giving details such as @ what resolution and graphic option levels.

Please, I ask you, just accept the terms given to describe certain kit, technologies, or classifications and be happy with what you have.

Language works best when we commonly accept meanings.

 

Sorry man. But if it had dedicated graphics and can play the most GRAPHICALLY INTENSIVE GAME OUT RIGHT NOW, then it is a gaming machine.

It may not be a TOP SHELF gaming notebook, but is a gaming laptop.

Inspiron 1520 is not a gaming notebook.

DV5T is certainly a gaming notebook. It is OVERKILL for word processing.

 

If it plays Crysis at a playable framerate, it is a gaming machine.

 

When it breaks down to self contradiction, you just gotta leave it alone and hope a light will shine through at some point down the road.

I mean, he just defined a gaming notebook as one that can play the most graphically intense game, and that has dedicated graphics then decries the 1520 as NOT being a gaming machine according to his definition. Yet, the 1520 had two levels of dedicated graphics (8400M & 8600M) and could play Crysis.

The 1525, the 1520's replacement, with integrated X3100 graphics can also play Crysis. Just at very low resolution and at min graphic detail.

This is why there is a more or less established term as to what is a gaming machine and what is not. The fact that you can play a game does not denote whether or not it is a gaming notebook.

Attempting to move the bar lower with word play to make yourself feel good about yourself and your purchase only serves to dilute a term into uselessness for everyone even for yourself. Because by the manner in which you employ relativisism, your peer will do likewise to redefine you into the category which you just protested.

In other words, Xythil is now the dirty elitist to those great many with integrated graphics.

 

The 1525 can not play crysis

 

Sure it can. See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZNTrAg2pE

And hopefully now you see the pitfall of relativism and why there exists terminologies with commonly accepted definitions to which you have not yet earned the right to redefine otherwise. If not, then I happily say again, vio con Dios.

 

40 FPS playable Crysis

and

8-11 FPS unplayable Crysis

Is not the same thing. But thanks for trying.

 

60 FPS Max settings playable Crysis

and

40FPS low settings playable crysis

Is not the same thing. But thanks for trying.

 

Totally agree.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uheSkGE_b1E

Thats on a 9600GT

Compare the difference. That is MORE than playable.

 

The difference between an unplayable 8 FPS mess

and between 40 and 60 FPS is almost nothing.

unless all you care about is graphics.

But both are gaming laptops, one is just more powerful

 

That's a 9600 GT... that's a desktop video card.

In any case, we know the 9600M GT can play crysis at lower settings, it's just that a "gaming" machine can run it at high settings with good fps.

 

No its not a gaming laptop. It can run some games but the same way some cars can go fast, it doesn't mean that they are automatically sports cars.

 

I hate that "Ima get cheap laptop then build SUPER MEGA AWESOME DESKTOP".
I doubt you know how to build a cutting edge desktop. Its not that easy. Its not just, get the case, throw in components, hook up to LCD, turn on, Voila!
Its way more complicated than that.
Good luck with that, Xythil. You'll regret not getting the Asus G50VT.

Another thing that ticks me off, how is 17in not portable? Come on, 3.5kg? Thats nothing. I just spent the whole day carrying around my 18.4in 4.5kg (with AC) beast around, its not heavy at all.
I dont see the point for ultraportables either. If you cant even stand carrying a 15.4in laptop, you better hurry off to the gym.

 

well my only concern about portability are airplanes. U cant really work on a 18.4' laptop in an airplane seat. Other then that I dont care how heavy my laptop is as I carry it most of the time in my backpack.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rigq6hEddU
That is with 9600m

And um why would I be upset at not getting an Asus G50VT? Asus is garbage for one. And it is barely better then a DV5t for twice the price. And I plan on building my own gaming PC later on for much less then a high end gaming laptop

So Ill have a powerhouse desktop that blows that Asus POS away AND my notebook.. for less money..

And building a PC is very much getting a case... installing the parts... and installing your OS... It is very simple. Not sure what planet you are from

 

Well it is certainly "Mainstream/Budget" gaming laptop, giving the price point.

 

The dv5t isn't a 'gaming machine'. It's an entertainment machine that includes certain capabilities for gaming depending on which card it included in the model.

Alienware products are gaming machines, they are designed specifically so you can play higher end games.

dv5t can play all games, just not very well with the highest settings for the newer games, because it wasn't designed to handle higher settings, just provide a good multimedia experience for the users's entertainment.

 

Xythil, if you don't want to accept someone's opinion, then don't ask for it. You started a thread questioning everyone about this gaming machine, and everyone tried their best to give you the answers. But you always stand on you own opinion, what's the point then ? You should change the title to "Debate about gaming machine".

Last question, seriously how old are you ???

 

I think the term "gaming machine" explicitly refers to high-end machines which can run almost every modern games well at high settings.

I love the dv5, so don't take me for a hater.

The 9600M GT is decent enough to run the games you get at the store, and even for Crysis you can accommodate by setting the graphics to medium. At least better than integrated graphics, but just not good enough for gaming enthusiasts.

A van is not for racing, but you can still drive people around with it. I don't know how good this example is, but it should sort of give you an idea.

As long as your love your laptop, the term doesn't matter. It may have an Intel GMA, but in your eyes it's just your precious, and that's all it matters.

 

Bro I am a hard core gamer.

I realize the DV5T is not an Ashton Martin... but it sure as hell is not a "Van"

It is more a Toyota if anything. Not cutting edge but perfectly acceptable for current gaming.

It will play Fallout 3, Crysis ect... and probably Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2.

 

hey xythil, play crysis on a real gaming machine ad u'll find out what we mean for "gaming machine"

 

It runs blistering hot and GPU uses cheap and slow DDR2 memory..

 

Xythil, let it go. It is not a gaming laptop, that's it. It has a mid-range card, it can play games decently, but it's not a hardcore gaming machine.

 

This thread has served its purpose. Its starting to get offensive.

Thread Closed.