Worried about P4 desktop CPU

I've posted several questions on the topic because I'm worried about 2 things with this system. Heat and battery life. I am confident that it has the power I want for games and video editing. Its a little heavey but still not a problem to carry. I mainly worry it will be too hot for me to have in my lap during classes and I really want a machine to last 3 hours on the battery life, 2 and a half a minium! When I ordered it, it never even occured to me it had a desktop proccsor in it, I didn't know they were every put in notebooks. Now my computer will probably be here tomorrow or Friday, dose anyone have a R3000T with the desktop proccsor that they could give me some information on how there's is? I'd really hate to send it back, but if the R3000Z gets a good GPU upgrade in the next 30 days its going back!

 

I would think you should be able to get that battery life, as long as with every other machine you are gaming or using heavy hd or cd access. But I'd say just test it out Friday and on the weekend, and if its unacceptable, send it back and get something with better battery life.

zx5000 :: 2.4M :: 512 DDR :: 40gb 4200 RPM HD :: 15.4" :: Radeon 9600 Mobilty M10 :: Aquamark3 22,856

 

I really appreate you responding. Thats what I'll do. I just wanted to tell you something I was told my HP when I ordered this system. I explained to the guy about why I returned my R3000Z he thought it was the better system and I told him I love the AMD 64 3400+ but that GeForce 440 go kinda sucks! He said something like this. "yeah i've heard that before, I think they are working on doing something about that right now. He then said I believe they are going to release it soon with the Geforce 6800" At the time I didn't know that was the top of the line nvidia chip out so I believed him. Right after the call I went to the nvidia site and looked it up, there isn't even a mobile version out. Is it possible the R3000Z might be one of the first to recieve it or do you think he was full of it and just geussing? I would think that the people that help you build your computers on the phone might have some briefs on upcoming products to tell customers about. If that was the case though I could go back to the R3000Z and with that GPU and CPU it would be the most powerful gaming laptop out I believe. Well if they added a 7,200 HD that would definitly push it to the top

 

from my experience and from others the sales people have no idea about specs or technology and seem to just pull it out of the air.

zx5000 :: 2.4M :: 512 DDR :: 40gb 4200 RPM HD :: 15.4" :: Radeon 9600 Mobilty M10 :: Aquamark3 22,856

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by DaGreek

 

Actually, it's possible. nVidia hyped the zv5000z/r3000z on their website quite a bit when it first came out as it was the first notebook with the nVidia nForce3 chipset. If HP said "Could you fast-track the nForce4 for notebooks for us?", or just asked for a mobile AGP version of the GeForce 6800 ASAP (the desktop AGP version being already here), I think HP would get it (the latter being the most likely, nForce4 desktops won't go into production for a while yet). I'm sure HP got a "Told ya so" from nVidia on their incredibly stupid zv5000z graphics chip selection. I and a lot of other people have given HP an earful at every opportunity.

Acer's flagship notebook is an Athlon 64 machine (Ferarri 3200) and is selling exceptionally well. eMachines is selling Athlon 64 notebooks by the gazillions. The world is a-changein'.

 

Well I think you guys are right, I didn't really believe it when he said the 6800 was going to come out in a laptop. I would be leave something from the GeForce 5XXX I doubt we will see ATI sense then they would change the whole motherborad. It really sucks about them paring AMD with lesser GPU's it should be the other way around.

Compaq R3000T (CTO)
P4 Desktop 3.0GHz w/HT
1 X 512MB RAM
Radeon 9600 128MB
15.4 wide screen
WXGA (1280 X 800)
CD-RW,DVD+RW
60GB 5,400 RPM HD
Wireless b/g
Windows XP Home
12 Cell Battery

 

Lets assume for one second that you could fit *just fit* a 6800 in a desktop. Think of the power consumption. The Geforce 6800 is the only card in production (correct me if i am wrong) that requires 2 lines to the power supply. That is ludicrous, as is the thermal potential. GF6800's run really hot and have a huge fan on top. If any next-gen card, it would be the X600, no matter how many deals HP has with Nvidia.

 

On AMD

Like it or not, the Pentiums are here to stay, especially the Pentium M. The largest portion of the notebook market (around 50%) is still devoted to the thin and light segment, and the only processor that really fits well is the Pentium M. P4's continue to dominate the desktop replacement market. It really doesn't matter whether the AMD performs better. Manufacturers know that Intel is in the dominant position and will continue to promote that. You have to have such a significantly better product to break a chokehold. Something at least on the terms of what ATI did with the desktop 9XXX series vs. the nVidia 5XXX series. For that one generation, ATI swept away a noticeable portion of the dedicated video card market because their solution came sooner and was superior. Manufacturers noticed this right away and many switched to ATI.

You point out the 2 major examples of Athlons being used in notebooks. I have to counter that Emachines chose the AMD solution because honestly, AMD's are much cheaper than P4's. Do you honestly think that eMachines would have made that decision if AMD's weren't cheaper? By the way, EMachines occupies less than 1% of the market and Acer barely captures 2%. Don't think that's quite the revolution yet.

Regarding the GPU's

I'd be nice if there were one more set of AGP based mobile cards, but there is very little chance of that happening unless Intel really messes things up and delays. The whole industry is forcibly pushing PCI-Express and ridding of AGP in such a shockingly small time. There is no true profit to be gained in developing a new chip that will only be used in 1 generation, perhaps 2 at most. You can prove me wrong if they do this, but it's just not a smart idea since it'll be wasted.

Addon - DaGreek, you mention having to change the whole motherboard to support ATI. Then how come there are notebooks out there that let you configure with an ATI or nVidia card (in this case you choose between a 5200 or a 9600)? These are normal notebooks that don't use the upgradable graphics.

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Compaq Presario 2800T
Pentium 4-M 1.6 GHz - 15" UXGA
512 MB RAM - 40 GB (5400 rpm)
ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 64 MB
Pretty good for 2002 isn't it?

 

AMD's Low-Voltage Athlon 64 tops out at 35W, and they'll be 25W early next year. The Ferarri 3200 uses the 35W chip. 25W is Pentium-M territory, 35W can get you close enough (actually, just throttling down by 200 or 400MHz will do the trick, dunno why they don't try that). We'll see Athlon 64 thin-and-lights later this year. See here:
http://www.amd64notebooks.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=327

"You have to have such a significantly better product to break a chokehold."

Yeah, it's called x86-64 and NX buffer overflow (worm) protection. Plus Intel's been screwing up royally lately, what with assorted recalls, the Tejas and Jayhawk cancellations, shoving BTX and their new easy-to-break socket down everyone's throats. Then there's Bill Gates pushing x86-64 hard at the last WinHEC. See http://www.route64.net/ for Microsoft propaganda. Linux is already there. eMachines is a top 5 PC vendor, not sure where they sit notebook-wise but they sure fly off the shelves at Best Buy.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Andrew

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by brianstretch

 

DaGreek-

As I said before, I have a machine just like yours, except it's the HP version. I can get about 2 1/2 hours out of it doing word processing and letting it idle, and that's with a 3.2 ghz P4 instead of a 3.0 ghz. However, I have a 40 gig hard drive that spins at 4200 instead of 5400, but from what I hear, the drives' power consumption difference isn't that great.

The heat really isn't bad at all. My machine gets a little warm by the uppper right hand corner of the keyboard, presumably right where the processor is, but I don't know where the Compaq's CPU is. My bet is that while doing word processing in class, it won't need to turn its fans--I can browse the Internet and type stuff up with no need for fans. And when the fans do come on, they aren't particularly loud, but I won't lie--the air coming out of the vents when the fans blow is hot.

AlphaAJ86

 

thank you that is the good news I needed to here. I just recieved my new computer and right now I'm transfering my files to it. this model has the same flaw as my AMD version did. When you unplug the AC power and hold the mouse over the battery icon it tells you the % of battery remaining and not the estamated life of the battery in minutes, i really miss that feature I hope its something they can fix later with a bio's update

Compaq R3000T (CTO)
P4 Desktop 3.0GHz w/HT
1 X 512MB RAM
Radeon 9600 128MB
15.4 wide screen
WXGA (1280 X 800)
CD-RW,DVD+RW
60GB 5,400 RPM HD
Wireless b/g
Windows XP Home
12 Cell Battery