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    ZX5000 decision

    Discussion in 'HP' started by wazlo21, Jul 21, 2004.

  1. wazlo21

    wazlo21 Notebook Enthusiast

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    First of all, let me say I was thrilled to find this excellent forum.

    I have been looking at the zx5000 series for my first laptop. I will be doing a little bit of traveling with my job in the next 4 months (a round trip plane ride every 2-3 weeks) and wanted my system to be able to play some of the newer games to help pass the time (maybe even online multiplayer games), play DVDs, do some digital camera work, and of course, surf the web. It will also serve as my main computer when I get back.

    I configured a system from HP's EPP site. Let me know if this system would be good or if anyone suggests any modifications.

    P4 2.8Ghz
    512MB RAM X1
    60GB 5400rpm HD
    DVD/CR-RW Combo Drive
    15.4" WXGA Brightview
    128MB ATI Radeon 9600
    802.11 g/b WLAN

    It comes in at just under $1500. It seems to have everything I need at a good price with a nice screen and speakers. Most of my questions have been answered by reading other posts. I will go over what I think I have learned. The upgrade to the Brightview screen is worth it, esp. for gaming. The faster HD will improve some wait times, but I'm still unsure if it would help with gaming performance.

    I had 3 quick other ones.

    Would the P4 3.0 w/ HT help in my gaming or digital photo work? Is it worth it to get the upgrade?

    I've heard people talking about going with the cheapest hard drive and installing a new, bigger, faster one. How hard is that to accomplish (physical removal, hardware agreement, etc.)? Is there any way to easily transfer all the programs that come with the laptop to the new HD? Would I need to purchase anything additional to get this done?

    Does anyone know if the coupon code for $100 off will work if you buy through the EPP (Federal Employee) site?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. DaGreek

    DaGreek Notebook Evangelist

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    I do believe you will get very good use out of that system, and it will do exactly what you said you needed.

    In response to your questions...
    1. About the 3.0GHz w/HT I personally would recommend Hyper Threading, it will make some things faster while others are about the same. Its not a very expensive upgrade either. If you want to see the performance difference try Tomshardware.com and they will have benchmarks comparing the 2.8 P4, 3.0 w/HT P4 and many others.

    2. About the hard drive, yes some do advise you too get the cheapest and do an upgrade to a 7,200 rpm 80 GB hard drive. This will cost about 200$. It will give you a performance boost too, mostly with the speed window's loads and opening large files. However from the bench marks I've seen the 5,400 rpm drives are very close in proformance so long as you don't have a 4,200 rmp drive its not a big deal. If you wish to replace your hard drive its very very easy! All you do is take off one screw on the bottom and pull it out, its made for easy access.

    3. I'm sorry I don't know any coupon codes.


    Compaq R3000T (CTO)
    P4 Desktop 3.0GHz w/HT
    1 X 512MB RAM
    Radeon 9600 128MB
    60GB 5,400 RPM HD
    AquaMark3: 24,257, 3DMark03: 3,115
     
  3. Venombite

    Venombite Notebook Virtuoso

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    Hyper Threading will not accelerate anything unless the games/programs are designed to use multiple threads. I got this quote from the Intel site:

    "Hyper-Threading Technology enables multi-threaded software applications to execute threads in parallel. This level of threading technology has never been seen before in a general-purpose microprocessor. Internet, e-Business, and enterprise software applications continue to put higher demands on processors. To improve performance in the past, threading was enabled in the software by splitting instructions into multiple streams so that multiple processors could act upon them. Today with Hyper-Threading Technology, processor-level threading can be utilized which offers more efficient use of processor resources for greater parallelism and improved performance on today's multi-threaded software."

    Therefore, if the software is not designed to be multi-threading, you should see no improvement.

    A faster CPU in general would give you overall better performance in whatever you do. Also, upgrading the HDD to a 5400 or 7200rpm drive will improve load times only. It will not make you game play faster (better frames per second). When loading from one level to the next, you will have a shorter wait period.

    -Vb-
     
  4. ChrisUnderwater

    ChrisUnderwater Newbie

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    Does anyone know if the coupon code for $100 off will work if you buy through the EPP (Federal Employee) site?

    Yep. It worked on my EPP order (I'm a DoD employee- but the EPP site isn't really federal- lots of corporations get the discount) last Friday, at least. [ :)]

    I did read on another forum that someone had trouble getting the NB8218 code to work (it gave me trouble the FIRST time I tried it, too)- if that happens to you, maybe this one will work?

    Save $100 on ANY customizable desktop over $999 at HP
    Expires (07/31/2004)
    coupon code: DT8321
     
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  5. Counthaha

    Counthaha Newbie

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    "Does anyone know if the coupon code for $100 off will work if you buy through the EPP (Federal Employee) site?"

    I just ordered the zx5000. I used the APP (Academic Purchase Program) with the coupon code (NB8218). I read someplace that you need Win XP pro for the coupon to be effective, BUT I got it to work with just XP Home. On top of that, if you go to mail-in rebates, there's 2 $100 rebates that you can choose from. You can use either ONE of those for an additional $100 off. I didn't opt for the brightview, I figure I dont play games enough to take advantage of it. My config as follows:

    HP Pavilion zx5000 series customize notebook
    - Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 3.00 GHz w/HT Technology
    - Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home
    - 512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512MB)
    - 40 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    - DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive
    - 54g(TM) Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN & Bluetooth
    - FREE Upgrade from 15" XGA to 15.4" WXGA (1280x800)
    - 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) 9600
    - Microsoft(R) Works/Money
    - 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    - hpshopping in-box envelope

    $1,388.38 $1,388.38
    discount -$100.00
    subtotal $1,288.38
    shipping FREE
    tax $99.84

    grand total $1,388.22 - $100 Mail In Rebate = 1,288.22
     
  6. voigtrob

    voigtrob Notebook Guru

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    Counthaha: Where did you find the $100 mail-in rebate? On the zx5000 I only see a $50 mail-in on the site... did it change recently or something? Thanks. :)
     
  7. ChrisUnderwater

    ChrisUnderwater Newbie

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    You can see a list of ALL the rebates if you click on the link: "Mail-in rebates", directly under "Order status" on the main shopping page: http://www.shopping.hp.com/

    The $100 rebates are valid for purchases through September 1st... but of course, HP would rather you take the $50 rebate instead.[:I]

    About NB8218- it's true- it worked for me, and I left XP Home on my order. AND- your computer doesn't have to be an HP, either! It worked fine on my r3000t (the prettier Compaq twin[ ;)]). I also read your order doesn't even have to total $999 for the coupon to work.

    So give it a try!

    Oh, and one more way to cut costs down- stick with a 256MB of RAM, and buy a couple 512MB sticks elsewhere (if your plan is a GB), and sell the 256MB stick for a few bucks.

    One last thing springs to mind... unless this is literally the ONLY system you have access to- why waste money on a CD-RW drive? For @$75 (the CD-RW upgrade is $50), you can pick up a 512MB USB 2.0 Flash Drive. They're SOOOO much more faster to write to- and easy to cart around. Unless you really need more write capacity on your notebook, or are limited to ONLY this computer- they're really a better use for your money (IMHO, of course).

    Good luck!
     
  8. wazlo21

    wazlo21 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for all the advice, everyone.

    I ended up ordering the system I listed above, but I did decide to go with the 3.0GHz w/HT. I figured it might extend the useful life of my new notebook as new software might take use of such technology, and for the extra $75, I thought, "Why not?"

    I did get the NB8218 coupon code to work (no XPPro either) when I placed my order. Grand total before the $50 (or $100 if I can find that one) rebate was $1399. If I can get the $100 rebate I will be THRILLED to get this system for 1300 bucks. I'm hoping everything arrives in good working order.

    As for the last post about CD-RW, this is going to be my only computer. Plus, it's hard to put a 512MB flash card in my CD player. [ :p]
     
  9. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    We are looking to purchase our first laptop soon. We want to use it for e-mail/internet and gaming mostly, and for editing, some storing of our pictures from our digital camera...

    I want to make sure I can play both old and new adventure games that come out...

    Now, here is the specs I have selected:

    Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 3.00 GHz w/HT Technology
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    Operating System Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition
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    Memory 512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512MB)
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    Hard Drive 40 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
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    Primary CD/DVD Drive 8X DVD Drive
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    Networking Built in 56K Modem+10/100 LAN
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    Display FREE Upgrade from 15" XGA to 15.4" WXGA (1280x800)
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    Graphics Card 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) 9600
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    Productivity Software Microsoft(R) Works/Money
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    Primary Battery 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
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    As stated before, do I really need the CD-RW drive? We do not have this on our desktop. Will I really use it?

    ABout the SDRAM. I've been told to get the 512 with one unit installed, that way one can add another 512 later. ? is this best? to keep the laptop current? or is the double 256 or will just 256mb work for gaming? We currently have 256 on our desktop.

    Do I really need the 3.0 HT? would 2.8 without HT work fine for what I need it to?

    We would prefer to not spend much over $1000 at all...so if there is something I don't need. let me know.

    SK

     
  10. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    Also about the brightview 15.4" Is it worth it for gaming and digital photos?

    SK
     
  11. Venombite

    Venombite Notebook Virtuoso

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    The specs you listed should be able to have you gaming for a while. The fast CPU & great video card is a definite plus.
    The CDRW drive is a good thing to have. Since this unit doesn't have a floppy drive, you will need something to transfer data to another computer. The CDRW drive will do that.
    It's up to you on the amount of ram, but having 1x512MB module will give you the easiest upgrade path. It doesn't require you to remove anything from the system, just pop in the new module and you're done. But at this time, 512MB is more than enough to run pretty much anything that's in the market. 256MB may be a bit on the low side.
    You might as well get the best CPU out ther that you can afford, it'll keep your system more up-to-date in the future so you don't have to worry about it becoming obsolete too fast. You either pay now or you'll "pay" later. [ :D]
    The Brightview screen will be brighter and probably make the colours sharper, but it will also add 3-4x the amount of glare. The screen is a high-gloss, very reflective plastic. I'd recommend going with the regular non-Brightview screen, they're still very bright (not as much as the Brightview), and doesn't have the glare.

    -Vb-
     
  12. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    so, going with the 3.0ghz with HT is better in the long run? But, can we upgrade the 2.8 later?

    About the writeable drive. Can't we just buy the usb drives to plug into other computers etc to transfer files/pics?

    What items can we upgrade at a later time?
     
  13. Wyrm2

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>
    Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 3.00 GHz w/HT Technology
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    Operating System Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition
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    <hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>

    There has been some discussion on the forum that you will not be able to make use of HT Technology with Win XP Home. You need Win XP Pro.
     
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  14. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    So, I should go with 2.8ghz. But, wouldn't the 3.0 make the machine faster in gaming respect or in general? Can I upgrade this later?

    SK
     
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    Sorry, I was probably wrong. There are two threads:

    http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3423&SearchTerms=home,does,not,support,hyper,threading

    and

    http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3432

    saying the opposite things. :( It will work faster but it may get too hot because it is a regular desktop processor, not mobile. Ask guys with HyperT processors if they are getting too hot or not.
     
  16. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    About this option "Built in Bay w/USB Digital Drive".

    I don't know anything about the digital drives... Is there a site online that describes it etc?

    Is it worth the extra money?

    SK
     
  17. fishcube

    fishcube Notebook Evangelist

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    Sorry for all the questions. I've got a couple games here that say they require 24x CD-Rom. Will the 8X DVD option work for this?

    SK
     
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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by fishcube

     
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    I didn't think the digital drive was worth the money. It's basically a docking bay for HP's version of those USB flash memory things so you can leave it plugged in without it sticking out from the case.
     
  20. Venombite

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    <blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by fishcube

     
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  21. fishcube

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    Thanks for the info on the Built in drive. I'm not sure about the CD-Rom requirement. But, its listed for Syberia, and The Longest Journey, different X amount but still required.
     
  22. fishcube

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    Reason I was thinking about not even choosing it, was we don't use anything that would use the SD cards. We bought a digital camera that takes XD Cards.

    I'm thinking I'd rather just haul around the keys.

    Thx for the pics and description. I would leaning toward it more if it was a format that I would use more.

    SK