dv6t-61XX / dv7t-61XX Switchable Graphics Discussion

Tbh the XPS 17's 555M is like a 5% downgrade as well

 

Ugh, good point. Was considering the new G73SW-XN1 by Asus which is just a tad over 1100 and also has the 460m gtx chip....

but the 15'' version seems to have massive DOA or lemon problems, specifically related to the power....

What does a guy have to do to get a decent gaming rig for about a grand???

 

5% is not a lot...

It's like playing a game that would normally run at 40fps, but runs at 38fps.

I have a hard time thinking of a case where this would be make-or-break, because the FPS in-game often fluctuates by much more than 5% based on what's going on at the time.

 

go for the 460m it blows the water out of both cards

edit: and what ^^ said - 5% means little to nothing.

The reason why I think you ought to choose the HP over the Dell doesn't have to do with the CPU or GPU but the screen. HP's screen is mad dope

 

I think youre probably over reacting a little. 5% in no way represents a drop in "4 or 5 cards" like youre saying. That would mean the difference between a 6750 and a 6770 would be like 1% decrease and a 6850 would be a 1% increase on the 6770...completely way off basically. AMD would never be able to sell their high end cards if this was the case and they'd go bankrupt!

It's really not going to make a lot of difference and as drivers get updated performance increases anyway. Sure we're never going to win a benchmark test vs 6000 series machines (partly because we cant overclock) but does that really matter? Synthetic benchmarks are just for reference and ingame performance will differ from game to game. If you want the e-peen factor then maybe a slight drop in performance is a deal breaker. But I say if youre that way inclined get quad 580 SLIs and bench to your heart's content

 

Again, is there any proof that there's a 5% performance hit?

I haven't seen any solid evidence of this yet people are saying there's a difference in performance.

 

Anyone else have problems with the posted beta drivers?

 

Well there are some people who are ignorant enough

Like this guy who thinks getting an i7-2820QM, 16GB of RAM, and the 2GB 6770M is worth it and will ever make a difference: YouTube - ‪Dv6t Quad Core Edition 2011 - Order Process (HD)‬‏

That video made me cringe.

 

For everyone thinking that HP broke opengl...read here:

CATALYST and OpenGL - what works and what doesn't - Rage3D Discussion Area

Seems that HP has nothing to do with the broken opengl issue...it is an AMD thing. Complain to AMD on their website and tell em to fix the issue...maybe they will...who knows...

 

It's not certain, but notebookcheck seems to provide evidence that there is a performance hit:

Click 4 benchmarks and specifications for each thing:

AMD Radeon HD 6770M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

The 6000 series beats the 6100 series in most cases

 

HWMonitor shows temp stats for the integrated GPU, not the AMD. How do I get temps for the 6770?

 

I actually didnt think HP broke OpenGL at all. Ive always known (as long as Ive had ATI cards) that OpenGL is not the best on their cards/drivers. But this time around it's different. There's a difference between a few really old games not working and just blanket banning all OpenGL on the GPU. This is another level of idiocy.

HP is as much to blame as AMD. AMD didnt sell us this laptop with misleading info, HP did. AMD are responsible for reversing their idiocy regarding OpenGL and the 6 series muxless cards, however.

 

Jiggawhat has started a seperate thread collecting scores from 6000 and 6100 series GPUs. Overtime we will see.

 

ok, can someone please have pity on a poor soul and help? im aware i might be asking something repetative but...

i tried installing the new driver linked to in the first post here. for comparison did a 3DMark Vantage test before and got like 6180. Did windows update, downloaded latest version of CCC from amd website, installed driver from this thread. got a new score of 1680 and a message that graphics driver is not approved. so uninstalled using the same installer that i installed it with, did hp recovery to restore the graphics, choosing all graphics related drivers/updates in the list. Same score and message. went to HP support website and downloaded graphics drivers from there, installed, same score and message still. tried it out in real terms with mass effect 2. previously my fps was at least 40s during gameplay, now it is like 10-15

really at a loss of what to do right now. in all seriousness, distracting myself with games is really the only thing keeping me semi sane right now so this is rather distressing. please, anyone know what i am doing wrong?

 

Try going to My Computer --> Device manager in properties --> display adapters ---> radeon 6770m properties

uninstall the driver from there or update the driver from there (try either)

 

Someone posted 3dMark06 and 3dMark Vantage scores for the 8560w in another forum and both scores were higher than mine. I have an i7-2720qm with 8GB 1600mhz memory and then have an i7-2630qm with 8GB 1333mhz memory. Otherwise, we are the same and both have the same video card except I have the 2GB version (I know, waste of money).

So, unless the 2GB version has slower memory modules, the switching is the culprit. Even the business video drivers don't seem to change things, he still has better scores than me.

I'm not very happy with my new dv6t but there's nothing I can do now since I'm past the return period. I'll just have to wait and hope that the drivers improve things.

 

thank you! uninstalled completly from there, turning my resolution into a large icky mess, then reinstalled from hp recovery manager and now back in the 6150 range on vantage.

does anyone have any idea/feel like explaining why my attempt to install new driver failed so miserably? :[

 

I think everyone's experience varies with drivers.

I know some say you have to update through windows update but I never do that. Minimize the amount of junk you install from AMD. I would try installing the HP driver base, then go straight to 11.7b hotfix.

Before you do all of this though use Driver Sweeper to thoroughly clean your laptop of AMD files.

When you start benching after you install the drivers make sure your power profile is on High Performance and let us know what happens. It should work fine. With the beta drivers I had before I got 6980 in Vantage. I only really play SC2 and thats very stable - not sure about other games.

 

ok, apologies in advance if i'm asking overly basic questions, but i really wanna make sure i get it right this time.

what exactly are you referring to as HP Driver base? is that the drivers from HP support website or some other driver/software i should find and install first?

after i do that, get and use driver sweeper, and try installing hotfix again? no uninstalling anything first? then once installed, power profile, high performance, and i can test?

 

Just use the HP drivers that came with your laptop. When you have installed those, reboot, and then install the hotfix again over the top of the HP drivers. You shouldnt uninstall the HP drivers at all because they include the Intel drivers, which the hotfix doesn't have.

But before you install any of this, boot into safe mode (by pressing F8 at boot up and choosing safe mode), run Driver Sweeper, clear all you AMD files out, reboot, and then begin your driver installs. You want to boot into safe mode to make sure that when you do your driver sweep non of your device drivers for the display cards are loaded. You cant delete things that are in use, if you see what I mean. In safe mode, device drivers for the GPUs are not loaded.

Then when everything is up and running, click on you battery icon in the sys tray and set your power profile to high performance and run Vantage again.

 

Oookay this sounds a bit tricky. So I need to download the latest drivers from the HP website or is there a built in tool?

 

C:\SWSetup\Drivers\Video

 

thanks for explaining.

but yeah, clearly i am not meant to have this hotfix. did all that exactly, and just got an error message that the amd drivers are not there or not recognized, and get drivers appropriate to amd hardware. i give up.

i guess there's a life lesson in this lol...sometimes, its best to just be satisfied with mediocrity.

 

Sorry to hear about your troubles. If driver sweeper doesn't work for you, you could always HP system recovery (using HP recovery manger) to the factory image. You'll lose any new files you put your computer since you bought it though.

 

nah, not necessary. i got it back to the same old 6100 score range with working HP drivers, its just that i give up on getting the hotfix to improve performance. no factory reset necessary...that is just...too much effort for my current level of patience, lol.

 

That's just weird...did you install the HP drivers that came with your laptop or the ones posted on the HP support site? And the hotfix you downloaded was the one for mobility here -> http://www.mediafire.com/?v21qg412ddg2gon

You need the hotfix specially modded for mobility GPUs...

 

I just got my DV6T. And i cant get the 6770m to work.... Any help?

 

when i tried the first time, wherein it the drivers were recognized but gave me terrible performance, it was HP support site drivers. The second time, no recognition, the recovery manager drivers were the ones installed. I used the hotfix from the mediafire download from the first post here, using the install manager setup link you get in the main/outermost file of the contents when unzipped.

 

If you want help start a thread and give more information. what is wrong? when does it happen? what application/game are you trying? etc. etc.

 

why start another thread?? THIS thread is about SG issues.

 

Except he gave no indication that it's about switchable graphics issues and said "help me" with no information

 

I just received this notebook yesterday with the AMD Radeon 6770M graphics card. I noticed that I can't assign programs to the radeon card even though I click on it in the Catalyst Control Center. They will just say "not assigned" after I go to apply changes. I can't even assign programs to intel graphics card. I guess this version of that program was meant to be a fix to this problem and hasn't even seemed to fix that. I was wondering if people think I should just wait until they offer a fix for this or try to send the laptop back and get a dell (and pay more money)?

 

I just bought this laptop in hopes i can play world of warcraft in great graphical settings..will i be able to play this game with the 6770 or will it force switch to the intel? Also it is known that Secondlife Is indeed a OpenGL program will i run into any performance issues with this game?

 

You're supposed to click where it says "not assigned" to change it.

 

So do you think this will ever be fixed? And do you think it will ever be able to overclock the GPU? I'm considering this machine over the Sager mainly for battery life and save a few hundred bucks. While I don't think the OpenGL thing will affect me much (i do some minecraft on occasion though), with no way to overclock, it's a bit disconcerting.

 

For the millionth time, games that can run in Direct 3D, such as WoW, will be fine. If Second Life doesn't support Direct 3D, then it will run on the integrated chip, which may cause problems.

 

World of warcraft should run great, SecondLife isn't an extremely intense game so you may or may not encounter problems running it on the HD 3000

 

I think this problem *will* be fixed, but I do not think you will be able to overclock the GPU.

I like this brand a lot for a couple reasons-
1) Good 1080p screen
2) Unmatchable price in any brand whatsoever (w/ coupons)
3) It's a laptop, not a brick. I don't like the laptops that are 10 lbs and look like concrete blocks. This laptop is *smaller* than my Dell Inspiron mainstream laptop, and about the same weight (5 lbs). It is definitely portable.

So basically the price/performance is best available anywhere. And it's a laptop, not a dumbbell.

 

It's definitely fixable... But nobody knows if AMD will devote the resources to doing so.

I would assume the would once more laptops with AMD muxless switchable graphics hit the market but I don't think AMD is paying that much attention right now because they only make up a small fraction of the notebooks on the market.

 

I used the ones posted and it gave another 6 fps in fsx

 

Great. I can get a DV6tqe for about $950 with 2630qm, 1080p screen, 750gb hdd, 6gb ddr3, 9 cell battery, blu-ray, 6770m. Debating whether to get that or $200 or so more get the Sager with GTX 560m and same other specs, only downside would be battery life.

Sucks that you won't be able to overclock the GPU.

 

Do you mind telling what coupon code you are using?

 

impressive upgrade xD

 

whoa! I've been pricing Sagers. never seen one with all that stuff for around $1,200. PLEASE EXPLAIN.

 

I did some interesting testing. Installed the latest HP drivers on my son's Pavillion, then installed the Catalyst 11.6, doing a custom and installed everything BUT CCC. This way, the dynamic switching still works. Installed Heaven 2.5 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Prypiat. Set both up for Direct X 11 (only the AMD card does 11...Intel is only DX10). Ran both flawlessly. So to put my mind at ease that dynamic switching is really working. I have the same to programs on my Envy 17 3D. Manually switched over to the Intel card, leaving Heaven and Stalker on DX 11. Heaven refused to run and Stalker crashed with a message about incompatible hardware. So then re-enabled the 6850M and both ran with no problems....so the Pavillion is doing as advertised, with Direct 3D.

Has anyone downloaded the drivers from the dv7t-6000 series and tried to install on the 6100? Wonder if the CCC will give you the choices from the earlier model...

 

NP8130 $1182 cash for stock system

XoticPC has a promo right now for free 8GB, so actually -$60 off your laptop and they give you 8GB RAM.

So $1122 stock with i7-2630qm, GTX 560m, 8GB DDR3, 1080p matte 72% screen, 500GB HDD.

+ $78 for Blu-Ray

No OS, I have an OS, but add $78 for Win 7 Home Premium if you need it. Add 3% to total cost if you want to pay by credit card.

 

ah. thanks! I'll check them out. ( I haven't been to that site before)

 

BTW, I guess they didn't get the memo that it is illegal to charge for using a CC. One can charge LESS for cash, but can't add a percentage for using a CC. I know--I used to own a business and I found that out early on.

I just found this: The Federal Truth-in-Lending Act prohibited surcharges on credit card purchases until 1984; since then, there has been no Federal law on that subject. (Other provisions of the law are still in force.) The states of CA, CO, CT, FL, KS, MA, ME, NY, OK, and TX have laws against surcharges, according to Bankcard Holders of America.

I'm in CA--one of the states that prohibit such surcharge.

 

Is this the best thread to be monitoring for updates on fix for the 6100 series OpenGL fix? I saw the link to the AMD forums, but I was wondering if the mod attempts or other driver fixes mentioned here were working at all.

Thanks. I'm wondering how long I give it before looking into a different computer (XPS or something).

 

That is in fact the case. HTwingnut just worded it the wrong way. They list one price, and offer a discount if you pay cash/wire transfer.

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