envy 14 is going to be discontinued?

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So some of you guys think that HP still has some announcements up their sleeves for the next couple of days??? I thought that HP already took the wraps off of all the products they planned for CES (dv6/7/envy 17 etc). Even though nothing is said about envy14/15, there's still a chance for a CES appearance? :O

 

I'm wondering the same things :S

 

I think my sarcasm has not been detected.

And yes aside the envy new launch pigs are going to fly

 

Haha, I sensed your sarcasm just fine. It's just that there's a reasonable chance that HP will only update a small part of their line (dv6/7/envy 17) at CES and then the updates will trickle down the line as the months go by. It's perfectly possible for the envy 14/15 to not be updated until a solid few months later. Although I will be depressed if that happens.

But places like Newegg and Best Buy are out of Envy 14's (except the beats one at newegg). So things aren't exactly adding up.

 

To be honest I would'nt mind too terribly if they did get rid of the 14 but only if the 15inch made a comeback. But I would at least want to see either a 14 refresh or a new 15inch model, not nothing.

 

glad that you got the sarcasm, so its clear that the stock of the envy is going down, so it leads to the logical conclusion that:

1- its going to get a new model
2- its going to be replaced by another format

I want the 13 and 15 back. The 14 for me was a terrible move. The DVD drive was a waste of space, Im beginning to think that you either have a blu ray drive or just use the space for something better like the cooling.

Those new SB chips need even more thermal headroom for they to perform at their maximum capacity, as per the example of the dv7, the terrible cooling in it let the i7 2630qm in it to have lower bins of turbo boost than the compal with the i7 2820qm in the anandtech review

 

TCenvy, I agree. I don't think the line should be reduced to desktop replacements only.

 

HP probably won't reduce the Envy line to ONLY the 17. But they might just keep the outdated 14 until like Spring time ]: ...I'm kinda losing hope of a quick 14/15 refresh, unless HP just surprises the world the next couple days.

 

Dang new Envy 14 not announced...Looks like we're going to have to wait until Spring, bummer...

 

The i3 and i5 sandy bridge chips are coming in like feb. Since only the larger dv6/dv7/E17 updates are announced, its very possible that smaller laptops will get their updates in the spring. We could expect surprises though since HP is depleting the E14 so early with coupons and it's out of stock everywhere.

 

HP said the idea behind the 14 was to satisfy customers who complained they were unwilling to let go of internal optical drives.

 

thats why i said, either get a blu ray or dont, people really write and read dvd very often these days.

however with blu ray you at least have the excuse of it being something major storage

 

Contradiction? You're saying DVD support is important as many people use it (which is absolutely true), but you also say HP has no reason to include it?

 

nope just sarcasm

 

after all your topics, I wonder if I should keep ordering the ENVY 14 beats or not...I sold my Alienware to buy a HP Envy. The ENVY 14 seems to be good for me even it has a mediocre screen. These days, I have searched a lot. I write this message on my old 4 years 11 inch sony VAIO. After 30 minutes of web browsing on this crap, it is as if I have played Street Fighter 4 for 3 hours. That little screen destroyed my eyes.

I am really bored with waiting the next refresh. I may think about the ENVY 17 if they offer a better graphic card for it's size and not only update the 5850 to 6850, what a minor change. The ASUS G73JW 3DE has very nice spec. But its price and its design are really horrible. All my hope were on the ENVY 14 beats version.(Nice CPU and GC for its size). BUt now, with all you talked about, I don't know what should I do.

 

Same I'm in a toss between an Envy Beats 14 and a XPS14, but I partly want to wait to see if a new 14 will have a better LCD resolution.

 

the 5850 and the 6850 are the same chip, actually the entire 6800 and 6500 line is an entire rebranding

 

Similar, not same. The 6800 series tends to use less power then the 5800 for the same performance, and it puts off less heat.

 

There is absolutely no reason for me to have a Blu-ray reader, let alone, writer because I will not watch BD on a tiny screen or burn anything to an over-priced format. Flash drives and external storage devices are a much better choice. It beats optical media in speed, portability and price.

I have a few spindles of DVD media I purchased a few years ago and they go unused, thanks to inexpensive portable storage.

 

That is exactly my point, unless you have the excuse of the large storage for the blu ray, a large portion of people dont use DVDs anymore, actually its a hassle when you have to burn one, you have now to find the programs and all that. I dont think people are masochist like me to go watching movies in their laptops, granted mine is a 16'' but when i have a 56'' screen and a 32'' which one would I prefer?

Where did you saw the power figures? I saw that they have the same:

The main difference being that they support HDMI 1.4 which the 5800 couldnt. It is the same chip, with the same manufacturing process, actually if you do a BIOS upgrade latter on your card will be identified as a 6800, which already happens to the people in the acer 3820tg community, they get a 6550 card, instead of the 5650.

 

guys are there any new offers ? on the i5 models ( much better battery )

 

I dont use the dvd, since where I live I can get via digital download 50% off in the games or programs that I use, and that is IF I can find the programs in a physical store.

But yes the effin cloud is something that we are at baby steps, but seriously Since the envy 15 mostly came with the external drive where is the need for it?

The use of netbooks made clear that devices without dvd drives can be sold and are a huge success, not all netbooks are sold based on the premise of they being a second pc, but being the primary. At my college a lot of students and teachers swapped for it. Most of them dont need the processing power or are used to the lack of speed that those things have.

Now if the netbook and tablet phenomenon are to stay I wonder if there are only certain people who like the ability to have, and not the option to use that still want the dvd discs.

And for me usb sticks are so dirty cheap that I have countless of them, and receive countless more, specially when I go to some congress, I receive there at least 15 more

 

I think I use my DVD drive once a year for only 1 reason... reformatting. Now you can put it on a USB drive so even that becomes moot.

 

theres also the fact that optical media is bootable...to much trouble to make a bootable USB drive

 

since I made everyone here transition to win 7 i only use the sticks for reformatting, which I still do once a month, old habits die hard

actually with the introduction of the UEFI with SB, there is no more need for the creation of MBR into a USB stick, and the programs were fairly easy to use, sometimes easier than the DVD creation programs. and the DVD or CD would by necessity have the MBR as well. so its the same problem.

Some manufacturers already use the UEFI in some of their models, like the the vaio z (what a beauty!:0)

 

It doesn't make sense to compare the needs of the netbook/tablet market to the market for fully-fledged notebooks.

 

it actually does, since there is some overlapping between those 2 markets happening right now, the difficulty is to determine how much overlap has already happened.

its the same issue with the we cant compare laptops with desktops, off course you can, its just a simple matter of getting the numbers. I dont own a desktop for years, and probably wont own one again, there is nothing that my laptop cant handle.

Now if the issue is performance, there are some people who just use the pc to surf the web, talk using msn and skype, do they need more power than what a netbook offers? no.

The idea that the netbook is a secondary machine is falling, and its doing rapidly, the netbook is responsible for a major bump in sales in the mobile market, its impossible now to consider that everyone who buys one do it, only, because they want more battery something more portable, they do it because its a cheap pc, they do it because they can give a pc to their children. my last gf used a netbook as her primary pc, the added mobility was a must, and the price fit her budget.

And there are a lot of other students at my uni that use mainly netbooks.

The needs of the market is a rather abstract and biased concept, and its now more blurred than anything. The first and principal need is price, it should be low, the next is it can do whatever I want it to do, and this is where the blur begin.

Your need might be gaming, surfing the web, and writing.

Mine is coding, reading, surfing the web and gaming

My father is surfing the social networks, and reading mail

My gf is looking for movies and watching youtube

basically aside gaming the netbook can provide that, incredibly a 17'' can do that too. And since Im the only one with the need for mobility I need to get a 14'' laptop that can do all that I need.

Now tell me what the market is in dare need right now?

 

Hey guys. Is the 14in Envy beats still worth buying or should I wait? That current one meets my needs and price range.

 

If I were you, I am in the same boat actually, I'd wait for a couple more weeks. HP should announce something soon, at the very least they should start offering the Envy w/ Sandybridge chips soon.

 

Depends IMO. If it's in your price range and you want it, then I'd get it. If you're waiting for HP to update it with Sandy Bridge, then it depends on how much you think you'd see an improvement and if/when you think they're going to do it.

Me? I don't really care about Sandy Bridge, I used a coupon code to get the Envy in my price range. That was more important to me than a refresh that may or may not happen. This is a new computer in four years, to last another four years, and a quad is already pretty future proof for me, so I didn't see much incentive to wait. Besides which, the new processors would have probably put it out of my price range anyways.

 

I'm considering returning my envy that I bought last week. Mostly its because of the somewhat loud fan noise in a quite setting and some noise distortion.
I also would like cooler temps, better battery, and faster integrated graphics.

 

Actually i'm more interested in a Screen upgrade than Sandy Bridge. I just wish it had the 1600x900 option.

 

Yea, I may return mine I have 3 years warranty have the CPU whine and the fan is always on.

keyboard flex, bit of screen flex minor things but I want a perfect machine, maybe I'm asking to much?

I would really like the beats edition, the colour/styling of the normal once does not suit me. I hoped that they would do a screen lid design a-la studio design for the XPS range, that would truly make your friends envy it.

Graphics cards wise, it looks like the 6000 series for the most part is re-badged 5000 series, with some cards gaining ddr5 support. If the 6650 gets DDR5 support they should add it, really it should be standard by now.

Sandy Bridge dual-core does not release till February, but i've heard good things about the quad-core i7's. Im going to wait for more testing on battery life and performance before I bite the bullet. The integrated graphics upgrade looks pretty good, I've read somewhere that it is on par with the 5430. I could be wrong, but it holds up well battery : performance wise.

And yes, they really do need to bring back the radiance. I have a radiance screen and I fear that if I send it back, I'm going to get a BV screen. There not bad, but the problem lies therein your so used to an amazing screen that going to BV is a disappointment to some.

Quality control is something they need to improve upon, and I mean alot. Some people are getting perfect machines while others are getting ones that slipped through the net with some defects. Touchpad not flat/whine/fan/heat ect.

I highly doubt they would discontine the envy 14, its a killer of a machine. Its a bridge between portable and desktop replacement personally. Its light enough and thin enough to lug around without me complaining or getting a sore shoulder. What I'd like them to do is get rid of the optical drive (I'm a minority here I still use DVD's when I buy games from a store) make a larger cappacity battery or something of the sort and give you a external one. It should be powered by usb 3.0, the added space from removing the optical drive should fit 3.0 controller and more battery.

They just need to lay down some tweaks to it and it will become a perfect machine.

 

Fair enough, but that would have put it out of my price range too.

Like I said, the only reason I can get one is because of one of the coupons. Besides, I'm still working on a flatscreen CRT.

 

Sony is going to release the SA line, its a 13.3'' with a i5 2nd gen and a AMD 6630, both are an improvement regarding the current envy. The chassis is carbon fiber:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/545391-sa-next-generation-vaio-z.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/545741-worlds-first-photos-vaio-sa-ces.html

btw the price starts at 1250 with a HD for a SSD it starts at 1600 or so we were told

 

it will come at a premium Im sure of it, if it is the successor to the Z series be prepared to spend big.