hp ignoring nviidia crowd

it amazes me how a large company will ignore folks like me that demand nvidia video in their notebooks....there are many like me, that run linux, and would not buy an ati notebook ever.....must be some non -linux users running this company.

 

Heh maybe they finally felt the sting of the unit failures they had with nvidia?

About a year and a half ago they were mostly nvidia except low end and random models. But you couldnt buy a single one with a decent video card either so it didnt matter even the HDX had cruddy low to mid end options.

That and their quality on a few things drove me to buy a cheaper and more powerful ASUS. With ASUS turning out a couple of junkers now I am moving once again. I might cross paths with HP in the future, but as far as nvidia goes i am suprised they didnt dump em for awhile earlier.

Havent messed with linux and ati in a while. But i dont remember having issues with my Desktop X700 and i think ALLyourGroceries has run linux on a couple of ATi based laptops.

Now if your mad purely because their drivers are closed source, thats your problem. If your having trouble, understandable. Note that Nvidia Optimus isnt and wont be support under linux so that has given a new group of people a reason to not buy half of nvidia's offerings.

 

i,m happy with my asus...are you saying some of the new ones are not up to par???? before i bought my asus, had my eyes on a sony viao...

 

G53 and G73 are having some quality issues enough to push me towards MSI or Sager. Also seeing problems that existed on ASUS laptops in general 2 years ago still being in new models, has me losing hope. Not every model they sell at the moment seems to be horrible but half of em arent even on my list.

Yeah ive pushed alot of people into ASUS laptops and they loved them, some G53 and G73 owners are defending theirs while others are waiting a really long time to get their dead ones fixed. You run into problems with any manufacturer and it seems ASUS is having a streak. New models coming out so we will see what happens.

I was skipping Nvidia till the 400 series came out, now that i saw it im switching to ATi. Not a daily linux user.

 

Personally, I could give a crap about nvidia after how they handled the gpu failures on the 8xxx gpu's. It was their complete denial of a problem that upset me. But they eventually could not avoid it after the catastrophic failures that occurred afterwards. I've got two nvidia computers.. one is a ticking time bomb; dv6500t with 8400 nvidia. Its not on the list, but it does not mean it has not got faulty soder.. it does. I run it on power-saver mode, never run HD on that or game with it. Also got the 12 cell battery to lift it up... and never put it in a position where it can't breath. Nvidia was so unethical about that.. that's why I don't care about them. And they could have easily avoided the problems if they had done just a little more testing. I mean the dell m1330's were burning out within weeks of shipping. Yet how long did it take for them to stop using the crappy soder? Way too long.

As for linux, I do feel for ya if the driver support is not there. But really, the market share does not register. And I have to admit, W7 64 bit can run smooth on as little as 3 gigs. The bottom line however, it cost money to develop drivers and there still is not enough people off windows to probably see any significant payout where that additional investment would be worth it. Its all about ROI and nothing else I am afraid.

I think if linux would have made a move into market share, it would have happened during the vista years. But Apple more then anybody else benefited from Vista's mistakes. Now that W7 is back in the game, I don't see linux being more then a hobby for a small segment of users.

 

What's interesting is how HP and Alienware divided camps... HP is going with ATI...while Alienware is going with Nvidia...at least in their M17x R3


KJ

 

While we don't count as users, its market share for servers is alot higher than its user count. Its been awhile since i checked my server but I have seen as many linux users as vista/7 and XP still seems to dominate the numbers. I wish google wouldn't have quit publishing their data because it was useful...

 

I think HP got burned with more models with the gpu failures a while back. And unlike Dell, Hp did not work with the customer as well on those issues.. which meant, bad feelings and they probably lost allot of repeat business. I see people on these forums all the time saying "i'd never buy an HP again.. i'm boycotting HP etc.. I'm thinking, HP wants to distance themselves from nvidia for those reasons.

 

That is true. But again, hardware manufacturers hate writing drivers.. How often do they release video cards and then it takes time for decent drivers to follow? Its like the original shipping drivers are an after thought. IMO, they don't like writing drivers at all, it cost money to develop that and they don't get any immediate return on that investment like they do on new hardware sales. Not that it won't byte them later if they drop linux support.

 

Oh I understand that completely. But there have been instances in the past where open source reference drivers were available (not sure which manufacturers anymore but I believe nVidia as I did compile nvidia drivers once.) There are capable people in the community willing to pick up where the company leaves off. But they don't seem to even want that anymore.

 

I've always went with nvidia but I have heard that ATI has surpassed them in the past few years.

IDK about the ATI/Linux issue but I'm sure that is not very high on HPs radar.

Can't you just get a PC without a video card and stick one in yourself?

 

Your on a notebook website, you do realize this right? Desktop Review is one rack over j/k

 

Ha, well I did realize that but I've always wondered why you can't do that with laptop cards....

 

On notebooks, they are sodered in. Its something you must consider when buying. Upgrading later is not an option. About all you can upgrade is HD and memory.

 

Not always true, unless you own an HP. 4 screws hold my card in and a GTX 260M swap is in this ones future. Has to come from another ASUS sadly. Sager/Clevo and Alienware owners have it even better.