42mm m.2 SSD y510P?

Okay like many are finding otu the hard way I am stuck with a pretty fast laptop that is junk for drive speed. I planned like other have to use an MSATA drive in combination with the stock 1tb for data.

But when I took the laptop apart I noticed there was no msata port. However there are NO other ports of any kind on the board. There is a location that has SSD printed on the board but no connector of any kind can be found. Not even this fabled 42mm m.2 slot.

So my question is this. Does anybody with a y510p have this so called 42mm m.2 port to plug anything into? If so where is it located at? When I look between the motherboard and the plastic shell around all edges of the location that has SSD printed on it I see nothing nowhere to plug anything into. I can see solder joints where something could be soldered but nothing is there.

Here are some pics from inside the bottom cover.

http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/erick_horning1/media/IMG_0583_zpse08720ed.jpg.html?filters[user]=136776288&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=5

 

Pictures here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/722702-y410p-detailed-pictures.html

All Yx10p models come with an m.2 port. No MSata unless you have a modded caddy.

(y510p and y410p are identical, just one is slightly bigger).

 

No such thing I can see. Here are some pics I took of the inside of the bottom cover.

http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/erick_horning1/media/IMG_0583_zpse08720ed.jpg.html?filters[user]=136776288&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=5

 

ROLF.

They either took out the connector for models without the SSD to save cost or you got a defective but functional motherboard.

 

I notice. After buying 5 of the y500p for customers in the past, this will be the last Lenovo I ever buy.

Since the m.2 slot is not officially on the specs of the laptop I wonder if I could contact Lenovo about it being somehow defective?

 

If they did take out the connector to save whatever cost they wanted to save in the first place, that would be a very lame move, but it is not uncommon. I recall Dell doing a similar thing with some of their laptops in the past.

If not, you would be entitled for an exchange or even full refund (without stocking fee). They don't say they use NGFF on their website but spec PDF should reveal it which you can base your claim on.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...71864191-y410p-detailed-pictures-m.2ngff1.jpg

Mine has the slot... Your's is a Y510p?

 

Yes!

Here is the newegg link to what I bought.

Newegg.com - Lenovo IdeaPad Y510p (59375625) Notebook Intel Core i7 4700MQ(2.40GHz) 15.6" 8GB Memory DDR3 1600 1TB HDD 5400rpm Dual NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M SLI

 

Ha what a pos

 

That's just wrong. It is beyond irresponsible to produce versions that do not have the same ability to be upgraded. That and the whitelist nonsense mean thiis is my first and last Lenovo.

Cheers,

 

I just ordered the connector and going to try and solder it on the motherboard myself "pretty good at this type of stuff"

Ill post the results when it arrives and I install it.

 

take care as by doing that you will void your warranty...

 

Did ya get an NGFF connector or an Msata one?

Y510P with Msata would be nice :b

 

NGFF. Since that is what was supposed to be there anyway. I don't think an MSATA will line up properly with the pre configured solder locations. And if it did the system would not likely be able to use it when the device is different than expected. Sort of like trying to plug a DDR2 module into a DDR3 location.

 

True, but the Y500 had mSata support, and was very similar in comparison. However, its obvious that the Y510p sports a new haswell/broadwell-capable mobo, but ive seen laptops with Haswell + Msata.

 

Just out of curiosity Jobine, what other notebooks have you seen that have a Haswell + msata?

 

MSI
Alienware

 

And Clevo/Sager

Plus some select Dell laptops.

NGFF is gonna need 1 - 2 years for it to become common from the way it has been looking like.

 

Personally I think you are wasting money and effort. By time NGFF become common like msata, your laptop will probably be due for an upgrade as in buying a new one.

I am not sure what's going on with the whole NGFF affair but something is delaying its widespread shipment. Intel was supposed to get their NGFF ssds out in July or so. Nothing's here.

 

By the time NGFF is mainstream, hard drives will be yesterday's news and Sata will be obsolete, as NGFF relies on PCIe.

Back on topic, theres no point atm using the NGFF slot except for a caching drive *or* to contain a small OS like Linux.

 

I don't think you're wasting your time. I have a y510p from newegg without the slot too and I'd like to add one. I'm an electronics tech. Could you post the part number of the connector you bought? I've seen multiple sizes and widths on the net.

 

Does this mean all models that didn't came with an SSD installed will not have the NGFF adapter?

 

Sems to be that way. I just got mine, SLI model, no cache drive. There is no ngff adapter installed. But I plan on using a 250gb ssd and storing other files on my desktop and using it as a server...

Still upset I do not have the connector though.

 

Well, this is the third case i saw on NBR, looks like we can pretty much confirm Lenovo is removing NGFF connectors on non-SSD models to cut costs, how crummy :/

On the bright side, NGFF drives are so rare even if you have the connector you probably wont find them anyways.

 

Well, you can find ridiculously overpriced 24gb ones on ebay. That's about it.

 

This is not entirely true, as mine came with the SSD cache and it still is missing its NGFF adapter. Low blow, Lenovo....

 

If you have the SSD model you will find the SSD plugged in the NGFF adapter.

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Agree. I never keep a laptop more than 6 months anyway.

 

I definitely have the SSD model. All they did was ship the laptop with a Seagate ST1000LM024 1TB HDD w/ 24GB SSD cache.
Unless there is yet another model with an SSD that you're referring to?

 

The HDD you got is a hybrid HDD that has 8MB for cashe only

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152291

Which y510p model number you got and from where you purchased yours?

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That drive is a slow 5400 rpm drive with a small 8mb cache buffer on-board. It is NOT a hybrid drive. If you were supposed to receive the model with the additional 24GB M2 style SSD that blank hole where the SSD should be would indicate you didn't receive it!

Cheers,

 

Get a refund

 

I looked into it and he bought the 59369999 model. It doesn't come with the SSD cache option.

 

I'd personally still return it because you don't even have the option to add the M2 module since they didn't even bother to add the connector in that model.

Cheers,

 

I tried to return mine when I got it a couple weeks ago. They wanted to charge a restocking fee since technically it came with what was advertised on the store page.

Like me however people should leave bad feedback on the store page so potential buyers will know before they commit to buy that if they intend to add some sort of SSD to go with their traditional spindle drive they will be out of luck.

 

Isn't this connector something I can purchase aftermarket?

Regardless, this thing was a steal at $900 and the Ultrabay allows me to have an additional HDD so I'm not really bothered. The model number posted above (59369999) is correct, but mine shipped with a 1080p screen and two 750M's, so lacking something as niche as an NGFF to me does not warrant returning the machine.

Oh, and I bought it off Amazon, don't think I mentioned that yet.

 

They are quite correct that you got what you've ordered. Yeah.

But it does make one wonder how razor thin their profit margin may be. It's apparently so thin that they have to cut costs off such a thing.

 

Hi, I've ordered my Y510p Lenovo from Amason and it's pretty sure that it's the one without NGFF connector. Could you share your experience, have you already successfully soldered it to your motherboard? I have a friend, who is good at soldering and stuff. And also a link to the connector seller would be nice (I found a seller on Alibaba but I don't have experience in buying there). Where are you going to get the SSD? I found one on eBay: Toshiba 24GB NGFF SATA3 SSD for ThinkPad X1 | eBay
Is there a possibility to put bigger SSD and probably not for caching but as a system drive (for OS).

 

The part cost me about $2. I am sure at bulk it may cost them 5 cents at most. Such a little cost to save many of their customers a hassle.

I have the connector and have not bothered to install it yet. On the board there are two slots where the adapter sits into. The solder pads are already tined so soldering should be as easy as siting the adapter in the slot and applying some heat from a soldering iron to each of the pins. However as you stated currently the only benefit is a over priced 24gb cache only drive. For me not worth the time to do the job. I will hold onto it and if a big enough SSD comes out that can be used for a stand alone OS drive then I will go for it. With Windows 8 and all updates and basic apps my guess would be at least 120GB would be needed to make it worth while.

So for a somewhat solution I got a 1TB Hybrid drive with an 8GB SSD cache.

Sad thing is that I sold the y500 to upgrade to this. Doing so gives me a slower performing CPU and abysmal hard drive performance compared to the MSATA the 500 was able to use. Ideally I would love to have the Y500 hardware with the y510 GPU's.

 

You do realise the 4700MQ outperforms the 3630 in every aspect right?

Intel Core i7 4700MQ vs 3630QM

And if youre talking about the 4702, note that it has lower TDP by 10 watts.

 

On paper yes. and in working conditions yes. But there is an issue with the 510p that keeps the Turbo Boost working properly on the CPU. Which is why I was getting a 7.8 performance on the y500 compared to the 7.4 on the y510 in the windows performance index.

 

WEI is not an accurate benchmark. Y500 has turbo issues too, i'm afraid, i guess you might have bypassed those somehow.

 

Could you give me the specifications of the connector you've got and a link where you got it from? I've received a reply from the alibaba.com (Seller: ALL LINK ELECTRONICS CORPORATION) stating:

Dear Luliia,

Please see attachments and kindly check which key position & height you prefer.

As we know, B key and E key are standard type at the market, so we have only 2 key positions

Also, please advise your estimated q'ty and email address so that we can qoute you soon, thank you.

Look forward to your reply.

Best regards,
Celine chen


Also they have sent me precise drawings of the connectors. I'm studying them right now, but I'm not an expert at such things.
I understand that what I need is B-key type, but I'd like to be sure, so I can order it now and while my laptop is on it's way (from US to Ukraine).

Drawing: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B89_urbRG0w7NC1EZ2Q5a2kyNWc/edit?usp=sharing

 

Soldering that connector on is going to be a PITA. You're going to HAVE TO remove the mobo, shield off everything BUT the pads you want to solder with aluminum foil (for example), and heat the connector with either a heat lamp, or heat gun. Trying to use a solder iron to heat the connector pins isn't going to work.

You have a VERY good chance of damaging the mobo in this process. Just go buy a regular old SATA 2.5" SSD and ditch the spinning drive altogether.

 

I get my y510p about two weeks ago, full hd without ssd ,single gpu and optic drive in ultrabay. And finally yesterday I get some hour to crack my y510p open to check for msata port, yes, I found ssd bay right beside ram slot, luckily mine do comes with connector even though I ordered mine without ssd (59370008).

 

Nice! I will keep this in mind. Looks like the probability of getting a connector is probably 100% random at this point

 

SanDisk A110 PCIe SSD: Armed With The New M.2 Edge Connector - SanDisk A110 256 GB: Introducing The M.2 SSD Form Factor

New M.2 article on Toms Hardware. Woop.

 

Too bad the A110 is a 60mm part, not 42mm.

Intel is releasing a 120 GB 42mm part soon: SSD Pro 1500 ( AnandTech | Intel's SSD Pro 1500: SF-2281 with vPro Support, Aimed at OEMs/SIs)

 

Keep em' coming guys.

Once they start replacing the Sata connectors on M.2's, we will reach PCIe speeds of 3GB/s.

 

This made me ROFL.