42mm m.2 SSD y510P?

Technically, the P320h we reviewed in Micron RealSSD P320h Review: A PCIe Drive Capable Of 3.2 GB/s uses IDT's 32-channel PCIe NVMe-capable controller over an eight-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface. Micron uses its own proprietary driver though, meaning it isn't really NVMe. In a real NVMe-enabled ecosystem, you won't need a special driver package. When the time comes, NVMe will help facilitate tremendous performance improvements through a re-imagining of the way I/O is handled by the operating system.

Source: Toms Hardware

 

Note the SSD is double-sided, so might not fit...

 

Well the only way they're gonna fit enough NAND chips on there to make a decent-capacity 42mm drive is to make it double-sided, so double-whammy if it can't fit inside the Y510p/Y410p because of thickness.

 

M.2 is nothing but a giant scam by the computer companies to force us to pay for higher storage from them and eliminate the ability for us to upgrade later. Sooner we all start being honest about that and complaining the sooner we can start to force them through purchasing patterns to stop this nonsense. Why did they make so many different lengths? Because then laptop companies can lock you in. Oh.... you want a 256 gig ngff M.2.... that will be an additional 700. That is how this going to go. The laptop companies were not happy with how Msata was near universal in form size but different storage size. People were opting not to buy the grossly inflated 24 gig cache drives and instead getting a model with an open slot and putting in a 256 gig. That was bad for profit and in the end, these companies only care about profit.

I have a Lenovo Y470... I will not buy another Lenovo because of this storage limitation. They just lost another customer.

 

I will not buy a Haswell because i have a Prescott Pentium 4. New, faster chips are just an excuse to sucker in my money, and therefore i will not buy. LGA 755 was supposed to be the universal standard, how dare they introduce a new chipset with Sata 3, DDR3 and USB 3.0?

/Sarcasm

 

Did I ever say it was bad tech? Why don't you read what I wrote again and think about it. We just went from Msata where we could get any storage volume we wanted to a form factor that locks us into a slot length volume ratio. That was done on purpose.

 

Just wait for the actual drives to come out so we can see the sizes, speeds and storage.

Right now we're locked to 24GB because the current drive in the Y series is just a modded Msata drive that uses a M.2 connector. It is still relying on Sata 3 speeds due to it's controller.

 

And because of that... I will not buy another Lenovo. I need to have a 256gb drive and a 1tb drive. They chose this to force people into spending more at the OEM and not the after market.

 

Use a Caddy?

Most 2.5inch drives are faster than Msata, and they are cheaper too. You will save money.

 

He has a very valid point which you just don't get. New technology isn't always best for some people if the end goal of said technology isn't of benefit to their specific cases. The mSATA AKA mPCIe form factor was originally designed for WiFi cards so the dimensions aren't ideal for an SSD, especially in a space-constrained design such as an Ultrabook. This is why there are a lot of Ultrabooks with non-standard mSATA form factors. M.2 attempts to offer a standardized set of requirements for OEM's to avoid that confusion and give them the flexibility for a wide range of ultra-mobile devices. It's also a stepping stone to SATA Express. But at the end of the day M.2 benefits Ultrabooks and the OEM's the most, not people with desktop replacements who mainly want capacity and upgradeability. The internal layout of these machines aren't even designed to accommodate the length of the higher-capacity M.2 drives, while Ultrabooks are much more integrated and applicance-like in nature and are designed around them. It's hard for me to get excited about PCIe SSD's anyway because the real performance bottlenecks in SSD's aren't in the interface but in the NAND flash and controllers. Having ridiculous amounts of sequential read and write I/O isn't of much practical real-world benefit as much as having more random I/O.

 

This isn't true in all cases. For example the Crucial M500 has the same price and listed performance for both 2.5" and mSATA: Newegg.com - Crucial m500

The mSATA Plextor M5M and the 2.5" M5P Xtreme it is based off of are also the same price, but the mSATA variant is sightly slower.

 

Octiceps gets my point thank you for the well written reply.

 

Most, not all.

 

So, does someone succeeded to solder the connector? My question is this, although you manage to properly solder the connector, does the NGFF support is integrated in the motherboard? In another way to ask, is the connector the only part missing?

 

According to this article Plextor is coming out with 128 and 256 GB 42mm SSDs
Plextor's NGFF SSD to Deliver Speeds of Up To 700 MB/s

 

check out my youtube video i explain alot there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8rkuPw71v4

 

128 GB MyDigitalSSD available to purchase for $100! According to AnandTech this brand is OK.

Many thanks to user pipspeak for the link!

MyDigitalSSD 128GB Super Cache 2 42mm SATA III 6G M.2 NGFF SSD | FNet HybriDisk Software | My Digital Discount

 

Oops! Amazon has the mSATA version


Cheers,

 

Thanks, I didn't see it on Amazon, but the site I linked to is the manufacturer's own store, so hard to go wrong there.

Edit: looks like shipping might not be free from MyDigitalDiscount, making Amazon cheaper.

 

Yes, but upon more detailed review it's the wrong part on Amazon. It's the mSATA part on Amazon. The company is great and they are exchanging it directly.

Cheers,

 

In another thread a MyDigitalSSD rep says the Y510P doesn't support M.2 PCIe, so you're stuck with SATA.

 

More info from MyDigitalSSD

"The y510p requires some fanangling in the BIOS to run the SSD as the main drive. Yours may be the same.

In your BIOS, under Boot, change Boot Mode to Legacy Support, and change the Boot Priority to Legacy First, then exit saving changes and go back into the BIOS. Now under the Boot menu you should have a boot order on the bottom of that boot window."

 

Hi Everyone, I'm a newbie to the forum but I've been researching SSD options for the y510p for awhile now, and it appears these are the 2 options users have so far:

1) Replace main 1 TB HDD with any 2.5'' SATA SSD to use for the OS (because y510p still uses a standard 2.5" SATA HDD as its primary drive, according to specialists on the lenovo forums). Add a caddy to replace the optical drive for your 1 TB HDD to use as storage.

2) Keep the main 1 TB HDD for storage. Ensure that your y510p comes with a m.2/ngff connector and buy an m.2 SSD to use for the OS. (MyDigitalSSD M.2 NGFF 128GB/64GB seems to be one of cheaper options now)

Can anyone confirm if my understanding is correct? I'm trying to figure out which option is most practical for me right now. Obviously, if my y510p doesn't happen to come with an m.2 connector (which seems pretty random from what everyone is saying), I'm kind of stuck with Option 1. I just wanted to make sure both were viable so I wouldn't be stuck under water.

Thanks!

 

The vast majority of the 2.5 inch SSDs on the market will outperform the MyDigitalSSD M.2 (and probably cost less), so that is something to consider.

Also my recommendation is to buy a 2.5 SSD, then place it into the main bay. Then take your 1TB drive and caddy it (10$) in the Ultrabay

However if you are running SLI 24/7 and/or need the Optical drive this is not that great of an idea.

 

Why isn't there a battery for the Ultra Bay ?

 

Thanks Jobine, that really helps me. I don't plan on running SLI nor do I expect to need the Optical drive. Good to know both options are possible, and I think your recommendation makes sense. People are saying on the other thread that if you buy the model that comes with the 24gb SSD you'll get the m.2 connector for sure, but that's at the cost of an extra $200 (nicer touchscreen included) over the vanilla models. I'd rather spend that $200 on a 2.5'' SSD, but that's just me

 

Because the ultrabay on the Y series already has two ports, one for PCIe x8, one for SATA. Adding a full sized power port might not fit.

 

The 949$ model on Lenovo.com comes with 24GB SSD and 1080p display, no SLI no touchscreen.

 

Based on the comments in the thread, i have ordered 128GB m.2 NGFF SSD ( SATA M.2 SSD | Solid State Drives | MyDigitalSSD.com) as an alternate BOOT device and also use my 1TB HDD for other purpose.
it will be delivered tomorrow. will try installing and share my feedback.

My Model is 59375627 with 24GB SSD.

 

Installed my ssd in the m2 slot and installed the os...already 50% improvement in boot time....I'll share the benchmark result later

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Which OS? I'm curious what the best method for installing Win8 onto an M.2 drive is (cloning vs. recovery media vs. clean Win8 install etc.) and if there are any issues related to the new Win8 product key implementation

 

Win 8..clean installation after changing the bios to legacy. There is no issues..apps start time are quicker and
I have issues normally boot up from hibernate mode..after ssd that issue is completely gone

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Curious what your method was... clean install from Lenovo image or a retail Win8 ISO? If you have time to run through the process I'd appreciate it... I'm torn between installing from Lenovo recovery drive or doing a clean Win8 Pro install.

 

Just picked up my 128 GB M.2. SSD but I am going to hold off installing it because of my SLI issues (incase I have to ship back my entire laptop).

 

i have installed Win 8 Pro.. clean install..

Connect to your m2 drive.
go to Bios, change the option to Legacy.
Plug in your USB
again reboot with your onekey (next to power plug unit)
select the boot menu and boot from USB.
and follow on the install option..
and select the SSD for drive..
it will be done in another 15 Min. and you're good to go..

similarly you can use the UEFI method also, in that case boot from USB without changing to Legacy Mode. ( i haven't tried it)
while selecting the SSD drive, it will throw error it can't install due to GPT bla blahhh..
select the drive and delete the drive from below space, so that SSD will be now unallocated space..
now click next windows will format in GPT and install it. .

Also if you're installing Win 8 Pro, it will conflict with Win 8 Home key embedded in the Bios. so you have to add a file in the Bootable flash drive as mentioned. then only it will allow you to install other OS.

Enabling PID in bootable drive

hope this helps..

My Advice: Don't format your 1 TB drive keep the OS with you.. if worst case happens, you can choose the Internal HDD from boot menu and you can access the OS without any issues.

 

thats a Good idea.. i'm having strange issues after installing the BIOS update.. and it's conflicting with SSD i beleive

suddenly my laptop shutdown and everytime it's boots up showing "Preparing Automatic repair" and failing i can't restore the OS, as i don't have the backup.. now i am accessing the laptop via Internal HDD (luckily i didn't formatted that one)
so going to format the SSD and try a new installation today. lets see how its turned out to be.. otherwise i should return the SSD back.. and buy a 2.5" SSD to replace my HDD.

 

Awesome, thanks. I'll be doing this on a T440p with a Win8 Pro key already installed, so the key shouldn't be a problem. The machine comes with a 500GB HDD, which I'll simply replace with a 7K1000, so I'll always have the original factory drive if needed.

One more quick question... when installing on the SSD via legacy boot mode, have you tried switching boot mode back to UEFI after? Or is that not an option?

 

do you know if this version have m.2 port ?
Lenovo IdeaPad Y510P 59400123 - Leistungsstarkes Gaming Notebook

 

No man.. only tried with Leagcy..


on a quick note my m2.ngff 128gb died today.. it's not detected in Boot/Windows.
tried with 24gb comes with laptop, it detects... and working/// So mine is gone in 2 days.. might be a defective unit, have to send it back.

 

180GB M.2 42mm incoming in Q2 2014!

 

Hi there, curious where you ordered the part I'm having no luck. Also, did you end up installing it? Thanks