Announcing ThinkPad P-Series - P50 and P70

Correct me if I am wrong but that would be slower than integrated graphics?

 

I added an M.

 

Thanks, I nearly fell off my chair

M1000m for me is probably more than enough. I only need something with more grunt than integrated and able to do VGA passthrough. PCIe SSD will be an aftermarket mod.

 

It's a tad of an issue for me. I don't fancy having to spend $2000 or more to obtain the top-tier card--which I may have to do.

 

I feel for you. It is a shame that the market for laptops with discrete graphics is so limited now. The lack of competition really drives up the price.

 

P70 HMM: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p70_hmm_en_sp40j65113.pdf

Userguide: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/p70_ug_en.pdf

 

Love that small AC adapter illustration they used on page 29. I think we all know it will be a large brick unless they can get 1.5 gigiwatts out of that little pack. LOL

 

The Quadros are also extra expensive as they are targeted towards professionals which they know they can milk.

 

I was looking at the P70 HMM document and I see that the system is essentially cooled with only one heat pipe. I really wonder if this is enough for the P70 with one 100W GPU and ~50W CPU. HP always had two pipes for the GPU and CPU, total of 4 pipes.

Lenovo 550w has problems with thermal throttling so I wonder if they are going to continue with this tradition. I feel a bit insecure buying this before I've seen enough reviews and personal opinions about this machine. What do you think, is one pipe enough? Do you know about any other cooling solutions with other 17" laptops with the same performance specs?

 

I have the W550s, and it does not suffer thermal throttle. Early BIOS versions were a bit weired in this respect, but after a few upgrades it runs very will without any thermal throttling.

P70 has the new dual-fan cooling system, with one cooling pipe for the CPU and two pipes for the GPU, but the pipes are connected. This was not the case back with the W701, which had two fans that were seperated. We will see how this solution will do.

 

Can't wait for P70!! I hateted Lenove until this new beast. Shame Dell don't have alternative with the closer perfomance for the same money.

 

Afaik the swedish price quoted above should include a hefty 25% VAT.

So kr 38189 is roughly $4400, excluding VAT you're at ~ $3500.

 

Any day now.

 

Indeed. Shouldn´t take long now for them to show up. At the very least next week.

 

Guys, thoughts between the Lenovo P50 vs. the Dell Precision 15 5510? I will be purchasing one of these for CAD work and both seem like nice machines. I like that the P50 can be equipped with the Quadro M2000M vs. the M1000M in the Dell, but I like the considerably smaller form factor of the Dell. Which is available first may play a large role also.

 

P50 is closer to the new 7510. Whatever Lenovo might do with the current W550s will probably go head-to-head with the 5510.

5510 is going to be smaller but I think the P50 will be considerably more durable overall. i'm waiting for thermals since these are both new form factors with new cooling setups.

 

I was told by my lenovo partner rep that the P50's are "already available to main distributors such as Ingram and that I can call and speak with the lenovo specialist there to pre-order and have it very soon".

When I asked for the part# from the rep, they told me that it was a sealed battery, obviously the pictures don't lie but she did say they needed to have more info available to them and partners.

Here's a snippit of what to expect, this beast is one of the most expensive P50 Models in my list (The MSRP is $2550, will likely be had for a little bit less).

Xeon E3-1505, 16GB DDR4 (Not sure if it's 2x8gb with 2 remaining empty or what). 256GB m.2 with regular bay(s) open.

I'm going to pre-order for my internal partner use

 

Thanks for that list. I wonder if they'll include ECC RAM or else it feels pointless to have a Xeon chip in there.

 

Yes, Lenovo will offer ECC RAM for these: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/pr...ries-laptops/thinkpad-p70/documents/ACC100244

 

Here's another example (I have a few examples with 1080p screens but I was more interested in the 4k). Expected MSRP on this is $2449.99

 

Judging by the part numbers on both lists (one is i7-6820HQ and other xeon) they won't come included with ECC ram but as long as you have a xeon it definitely supports ECC. The i7's base clock is 100mhz higher but the xeon's turbo is 100mhz higher. Might make a ~2% difference in speed having the higher clock. Otherwise they are practically the same chip minus the ECC support.

 

This shows all of the P70 configs (to date). Looks like all xeons (at least for the P70) do come standard with ECC memory. One config has 32GB DDR4 ECC, Xeon, and even a M5000 8GB

http://psref.lenovo.com/Product/235

 

Also remember that the i7-6700HQ does not vPro while the i7-6820HQ and the Xeon do.

I also really like the fact that for at least up to 16Gb of RAM they use a single DIMM slot.

 

Thanks for the subsequent posts, I appreciate the sneak peak at what Lenovo is offering.

 

Do we know that the color gamut is on the non-4K IPS? 4K resolution makes too many menus/text too small IMO. If they offer a high 90+% color gamut FHD IPS, that would be great.

 

P70 sale has started here in Germany, first models are already listed. These are education-exclusives, so they are cheaper than normal resale products:
http://www.ok1.de/ThinkPad-P70-20ESS01400--992.html
http://www.ok1.de/ThinkPad-P70-20ESS01500--993.html

You can skale 200 %, and then you have 1920x1080 as the resolution.

The 4K display of the P70 has a gammut of 92 % of the NTSC scale. The 4K display of the P50 has a gammut of 99% of NTSC.

 

This would have been ideal for me if they could have sold one with the M600M GPU as well, as I don't really need more than entry level graphics. (While I still want a 17 inch screen, decent input devices, and a good cooling system.)

 

This is the only 17.3" 4k screen that panelook has in it's database:
http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_25358.html

And these are the only 6 15.6" 4k screens that panelook has in it's database:
http://www.panelook.com/modelcompare.php?ids=25915,24748,23899,23238,23360,21688

 

That 17.3 screen is not the one in the P70. It's a TN panel. Probably too new and not in that database yet.

 

http://www.pcconnection.com/product...256gb-ssd-17.3-w7p64-w10p/20er002gus/30832924

 

P50 uses a Sharp 4K panel (so this one might be the one Lenovo uses: http://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=23899), P70 uses a Panasonic 4K panel.

 

I wonder if it is possible at this point to say anything about which CPU will run most cool and quietly. The i7-6700HQ, the i7-6820HQ, or the E3-1505M v5? Somewhere, I have read that Xeon CPUs run extra quietly, but I guess this picture might be different for laptops.

 

Xeons are supposed to be better-binned chips. The not quite up to par stuff is the consumer i-stuff. Better binning usually means better transistors that don't leak as much power, which means less heat dissipated.

On idle, the three options should pretty much run all the same and the only difference affecting temp/noise is how the new dual cooling system manages to dissipate heat. The clock speed probably won't make too much of a difference since they're all in the same range, 100MHz increments from low to top.

The Xeon is mainly there for ECC support. I'm sure it's not a much better chip.

 

I don’t see the 17” p70 or the p50 on the Lenovo website am I missing something?) I would like to do some comparison between the P70, the new Dell Precisions , MSI, Acer and Asus 17inch machines.
I would like to get something by Christmas (even if it arrives on DEC24th although I don’t want to cut it that close) from what I understand it takes 3 weeks to a month for built to order machine? Does that include the holidays or in this case close. Tomorrow will be NOV 1 and I would like to start to narrow the field. Also 3 weeks to a month would that include any delays? I realize delay can really throw things off especially around the holidays.

fyi - I live in the USA

Thanks

 

They should be online pretty soon in the US I think.

 

I have been in touch with the people at Lenovo small business section (both by phone and email) - they are all calling for P50 November 17 and P70 December 1. ☹️☹️

 

In twitter they say: "We begin shipping the NEW #ThinkPad P70 in the beginning of November."
https://twitter.com/thinkstations/status/660501499202699264

 

Looks promising but US or Europe or Asia?

 

As you can see it didn't mention anything about regions. But the 'location' of their twitter account is North Carolina. It seems to me that it would be for US.

 

P70 launches world-wide. Should be online on the US site this week.

 

I hope you are right!! I can't wait!!

 

Do you think that the quality and color accuracy of the P70 panel will approximate a Dell PremierColor (such as the one in the new Dell Precision 7710?

 

I'm not saying this is definitely the screen that's in the P70 (someone else said it's a panasonic, I'd love to see the source for where they are using soley panasonic), but the link i posted is actually an IPS screen not a TN panel. It's also conveniently close in production to the P70 having started mass production in Q3.

http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_parameter_25358.html

Here's a review of a clevo notebook with the same screen:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U726-Clevo-P870DM-Notebook-Review.153136.0.html

 

The link I posted above (if they are using that screen) has a fairly detailed review of the Clevo notebook which uses the same 4k screen.

 

Looks like it could be the same screen - according to the specifications from this link: http://psref.lenovo.com/Product/235
The screen description reads: 17.3" (439mm) 4K (3840x2160), anti-glare, LED backlight, IPS, 300 nits, 16:9 aspect ratio, 800:1 contrast ratio, 90% gamut, 170° viewing angle

In any event, it should be a quality screen with good color accuracy and the ability to tweak the settings with the X-rite.

 

It should absolutely be on a similar quality level. Its measured for 92 % of the NTSC color gamut

That one is made by AUO, not by Panasonic like the P70 screen will be.
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support page for p70 with files already: http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/Laptops-and-netbooks/ThinkPad-P-Series-laptops/ThinkPad-P70

 

Maybe a good sign of imminent release?? Can't be soon enough!!

 

Hello,
I contacted Lenovo and the Sales person informed me p70 would not be available to order until Jan 2016.
IF that is true ( maybe it is or isn't who knows) I may really start to look at another option I would like to have something by Christmas. Sometimes these OEMs they announce Laptops then they don’t became available until 6 months or nearly 6 months later. If I am not mistaken the Lenovo P50 and P70 were announced in August. I can see announcing something two months in advance but thats it. Oh well thats just my opinion we'll see if it shows up in the next week or so.

 

I was tweeted today by Lenovo Thinkstation and they stated the P70 will be on the web within two weeks. P50 to follow. Here is the Tweet: Lenovo Workstations ‏@thinkstations 3h3 hours ago
@barry_weckesser Dates vary by country; P70 will be on the web in the next couple weeks in the US! P50 will follow.


Another Lenovo staff member mentioned on a Lenovo forum post that it would be November 11 but admitted that things were rather "fluid". Here is the post:

Re: P50/P70 availability for small business
11-02-2015 12:20 PM
Quick hallway discussion with one of the marketing managers for P50 and P70 confirmed the following dates:
P50 = Nov 17th
P70 = Nov 11th
Things have been somewhat fluid lately, but this is the latest that I know of.
Keep the faith as they are coming. There's a pile of almost 200 systems sitting in my lab right now

However, if things are pushed until January, I will probably opt for the Dell Precision 7710 as it will be available with the Thunderbolt 3 port by then (earlier without the port).