Hard drive heats up on Y580.

If the google study is correct, it's actually better for the HDD to remain in its place, right? Or am I wrong?

 

Yes if temps were like google said but not if temps are exceeding max for drive to operate properly. From what people found out, samsung has max 55C. We can assume that there is some degree of tolerance.
I've made my tests. Worst temp was 58C for HDD when CPU and GPU were under heavy load. But ambient temp was high as well - we have very hot weekend here - over 30C. When on idle HDD has 50-51C.

 

That's risking a lot to keep you ssd at Max temps all the time. I like everything else of this laptop but this heat issue needs to be solved before I buy a laptop that I might have to keep replacing the HDD in ever year or do.

 

I wonder what lenovo could do to solve the issue if anything? I envision hard drive companies will NOT warranty hard drives that have heated up past their max temps? Does anyone know about this?

 

My opinion is that if we're talking about stock hdd then there should be no problem with warranty. But if you replace stock with something else then there will be a problem because it's up to you to ensure that drive has proper conditions to work.

 

Hello owners of the Y580...

I am seriously considering pulling the trigger on this laptop here in the UK (but for 999 pounds which is 1566 dollars lol), but I want to know a few things first.

1. How is it's build quality overall? I am concerned, because I am going to start college, and I need it to last me around 4-5 years.

I have also heard bad things about the HDD overheating.
2. How much of a problem is this likely to be?

I have never bought Lenovo before, only HP and Asus and Toshiba. I love the spec of this laptop, but I would rather get something less powerful with better build quality, if this is TOO bad.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks in advance!

 

Other than the hard drive issue, which can be corrected by placing the hard drive in a caddy in the optical bay, I pretty much agree with this review-

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ideapad-essential/672331-lenovo-ideapad-y580-review.html

 

By using the caddy you lose sata III speeds and you're disc drive. Not really worth it.

 

That's very true. However, I'm going to do that when I get mine anyway.

Losing SATAIII speeds doesn't mean much, when a conventional HDD can't saturate even SATAII. When we talk about SSD, then SATAII is also alright, at least for me - IOPS isn't impacted much by the interface, so the main improvement of an SSD over HDD is still there. Sure, I'll be capped at about 230 MB/s sequential read and write - but really, how often is it that I need to do file-IO like that? And for the once-in-a-blue-moon scenario where I DO need to do that, I don't think I'll mind waiting 10 seconds extra.

As for the optical drive - can always get a SATA to USB3 adapter if you really wanted to still hook the drive up.

 

Thanks for the review.

 

My solution to this problem has been;
SSD in normal hard drive space- gets sata III speed
HDD in optical drive slot- gets sata II (doesn't need III speed)

This solution is based on the hope that temperatures of 50+ degrees won't fry my SSD early.

 

Well i want everything, so my solution is HDD still in normal bay and mSATA SSD for system - with using cooler pad without bottom cover while gaming. I usually don't play games without cooler pad anyway and temps while in idle are ~40-45. Temp in gaming stress is about ~50 degree C so not that bad according to google study, also i am keeping important files on external drive anyway.
I am pretty sure some ppl here will come up with some other interesting solutions to this problem some thermoisolation for HDD ?

 

I realize it's not the end-all solution, but do you guys have any suggestions for cooling pads?

 

Though I do not own an Y580, I have had a great experience so far with the Zalman NC2000. I've also read everywhere that Zalman coolers are top notch.

 

I use a Coolermaster U2 for my Y570. That drops my CPU temp spikes by about 20 degrees.

 

Cooler Master Notepal U3. I have the U2 and the edges of the Y580 hung over the sides.

 

Is the hdd still too hot when doing normal tasks? or just gaming?

 

Posted this in the owners thread. Thought it should be here as well.


This whole "overheating issue" is ridiculous. There is no issue. One person shouts fire and everyone else starts running before actually looking.

I know people on an Internet forum are the ones who tend to care about every little thing, but don't make an issue out of nothing.

When there are reported cases of hard drive failure then we can start discussing this as an actual problem. I have a terrible old toshiba lying around and its hdd would idle between 45 and 50 degrees and it's been running strong for almost 4 years now.

If you are that worried, use a laptop cooler. I use a Notepal U2 and my hard drive idles at 37 degrees and never goes higher than 50 after gaming for an extended period of time. People are really blowing this thing out of proportion. Relax.

 

The issue is the max temps of around 58 degrees too which isn't ok.

 

So is that a picture of the U3 underneath the Y580 or the U2? Since you say the edges hung over the sides, is the U2 not as effective?

 

I have had mine for a week now and I've never seen it go above 50. I checked regularly, especially after people here started losing their minds. Even after 2 hour diablo sessions, the max has been 50.

 

55 is when we should get kinda worried right? 50 is just the edge of the accepted window?

 

These are my temps while browsing. Not sure how much difference it makes, but I am using the Notepal U2.

 

Syed, would you mind posting a picture of how you laid out the fans on your U2. I have both the U2 and the Y580 but I'm peaking out at 53C.

 

I can't speak for him but here are pictures of temperature intensity maps (under high load) so you can effectively position those fans:
http://images.enet.com.cn/2012/0612/13/4825883.jpg
http://images.enet.com.cn/2012/0612/17/4825890.jpg

 

Since I said I use the U3 and the Y580 is too wide for the U2, I think it would be safe to say that the U3 is the one pictured. U2 could be fine if you want to cool the HDD, as it lies in the front-middle of the chassis. Also, the fans should be able to blow into the intake. I had a U3 lying around and I liked it because it had three speed-controllable fans.

 

Will i need to put the hard drive in the optical bay if i use a cooling pad while gaming but nothing while on idle? I kinda like having a cd drive and what not... call me old fashion haha

 

Why don't you try it out first and report the results?

 

Immediately after two hours of Diablo. Exited the game and captured the speedfan screen.



I'm not sure what Temp1 is (mobo probably) but that seems to be what gets the hottest. It's been around 51 or 52 but only during extended gaming sessions.

I will definitely get you a picture tomorrow. I might actually get the U3. The U2 is fine, but it is a bit too small for the 580. Plus having an extra fan and control would be nice.

People should also consider their environment. My apartment is air conditioned. Can't hurt.

 

If you get a U3 and keep your U2, you can daisy chain the fans for a total of 5 . I found 3 fans to be good enough though.

 

Can anyone answer if the top of the palm rest gets uncomfortable to rest your hand on as a result of this issue?

 

Nope. It's getting a little warm but if you won't pay attention to it you won't noticed it.

 

is this a big enough issue that i shouldn't buy the laptop or is it just a minor annoyance?

 

Here is one link on the operating temp of Momentus:
Test Setup And Comparison Table : Notebook Hard Drives: 750GB And 640GB Models Reviewed

The max for Momentus is 60 deg but it may vary from other models.

 

The google study covers the hdd temp up to more than 50 C (see the Figure 4 in the link I posted earlier). At 50 C or slightly higher the failure rate is still much lower than at 20-30. How about 55? the google study does not say anything but I do not think 2 or 3 degrees make that much difference.

 

You mean warming? It's like I said - you won't noticed it.

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If this momentus that we have in Y580 have same max operating temp then I would be worry at all.

 

I have a U3 and just order a y580. I just want to know where should I put the fans of the u3 to have a ideal cooling. Should I locate two fans where the vents are on the bottom of the y580 and the last one where the laptop fan is at?

 

My sister's 13 inch macbook is hotter than my dv6 with just browsing and torrent. I have a feeling the macbook will breakdown faster than any windows laptop. I don't think this Y580 will be hotter than my sis's macbook or any macbook pro.

 

SSD operating temperatures are typically 0 to 70.

 

Yes, operating temps 0 to 70. But will a SSD not last as long if it is hot? It would be interesting to know this, but manufacturers are not chomping at the bit to give out this information. I certainly wouldn't want my CPU/GPU to reach max temps regularly- whether we should care about hard drives/SSD temps I don't know. I have the feeling we will not ever get any hard facts concerning this, and certainly not manufacturer-specific studies.

 

I cut down temps by replacing the thermal paste on the CPU and GPU, which in effect pushed more of the heat out the case and away from the hard drive and other components.
Check my other thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ide...x4-much-better-cpu-hdd-temps.html#post8688021

 

If it's not well above 70C, the temperature will have zero effect on its lifespan. There's nothing for you to worry about.

 

Wow, that's great, Kevin- where did you get that information?

 

Thank you for that. It definitely eases my mind as I purchased a Y580 and a crucial SSD, then stumbled upon this thread.

 

So i shouldnt be worried about the HDD temp or let it stop me form ordering a 580?

 

Well, an items given "normal operating temperatures" means anything within those is where it's been designed to run indefinitely, without issue.

 

It is probably best that people look to their specific HDD or SSD data sheets.

As for my Y580 setup, my Samsung 830 SSD's operating temperature range is 0-60C. My Seagate (Samsung) Spinpoint 1TB drive's operating temperature range is 5-55C.

Non-operating temps can go as high as 70C and 95C for the HDD and SSD respectively.

 

Kevin, I don't believe you have any hard facts to back up your statements. I don't necessarily believe you are wrong, but the study cited previously in this thread clearly demonstrated that temps within operating temperatures did have an effect on hard drive failure... for rotating HDD drives (with higher avg temps actually improving failure rates to an extent). I have seen no such data for SSD drives other than anecdotal reports.

However, I think you are right that the temperatures are likely nothing to worry about.

 

I read the report. Their findings (pages #21-22, with corresponding graphs) show that temperature did not have an effect on failure rate, except on the more extreme end of temperatures, and that was only with older drives.

 

That is part of the problem. If the drive goes out when it is old, the warranty will probably be out...