Just ordered W510

I just ordered W510 with this specs

Retail $2289 only pay $2060 for being a student Plus 5% cashback from Bing = total $1,957 without Tax

ThinkPad W510 - 1 Year Depot Topseller Warranty
Processor: Intel Quad Core Processor i7 820QM (1.73GHz 1066MHz 8MBL3)
Operating system: Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64

Display Panel: 15.6" FHD Display (95% Gamut) with LED Backlight and Multi Touch Screen
System Graphics: NVIDIA NVS 5100m Discrete Graphics 1GB DDR3 with Intel Advanced Management Technology
Color Sensor: Color Sensor
Total memory: 4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Keyboard: Keyboard US English
Finger Print Reader: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
Camera: Camera, 2.0 MP
Hard Drive: 500 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical device: Multi Recorder Optical Drive (12.7mm)
System expansion slots: Express Card Slot & 5 in 1 Card Reader & Smart Card Slot
Battery: 9 cell Li-Ion Battery
Power cord: Country Pack North America with Line cord & 135W AC adapter
Bluetooth: Bluetooth w/ antenna
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN adapters: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300
Wireless WWAN accessories: Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable
Language Pack: Language Pack US English


The things I dont like are I couldn't upgrade to 3 Years warranty, there was no options to choose. Another is it will be shipped more than 4 Weeks

So I will have to use my new 27 iMac for a while.


Anyway, the Lenovo Specs are awesome. It can handle the coming technology and my Software tasks for years

 

You can call them up later and have them apply a warranty to your laptop.



I've got a quote in on a W510 myself...adding a new docking station, and ultrabay SATA drive adapter and the 3 year warranty before I buy...waiting for some reviews before I jump in though.


Lenovo always sucks about having warranties in place when new systems come out.

 

Nice specs. Question for you though - if one were to want to choose the best thinkpad based on gaming performance, would it make more sense to go with the T510 or the workstation W510 which you ordered?

 

I wish they had everything listed on their website by now, like FX880m, 160G SSD and 3yr warranty. They're probably just not ready to ship anything yet.

 

I think NVIDIA NVS 5100m = FX880m since I found this on Lenovo's website

"The nVIDIA® Quadro FX® MXM-based graphics solution on select W Series mobile workstations is stable, compatible and optimized for all professional applications."

 

I thihk W510 uses the better GPU (NVIDIA NVS 5100m) than T510( NVIDIA NVS 3100m)

So I would say "go with W510"

 

To me, I would make sure it's FX880m which is optimized to CAD, since NVS looks more likely for consumer use.

 

IN that case I also found this on Lenovo W510' s Features Page

ISV certifications (For W Serie)

Photographers, light CAD/CAM users, digital content creators and other industry pros require proven performance and stability with today's demanding applications. An extensive independent software vendor testing and certification process verifies that your ThinkPad W Series can run some of the most demanding, graphics-intensive workstation applications


http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...AE8AB0F26CCAC867854&tabname=Features#tabstart

It should be fine for CAD

The reason I think NVIDIA NVS 5100m = FX880m because I found information from the link above. If it's not ,I will return it or ask them to change its GPU before shipping to me

 

I am assuming you ordered from the Commercial site because I think as a student you could have ordered through the educational venue where 3 year warranty is standard...

I was promised a sick deal by a friend of my @ Lenovo - on the enhanced w510 -but I couldn't order it until the part numbers make it into the educational side. He asked me to wait until next week to place the order. But then I went to the lenovo to reconfigure for next week, with the discount he promised me - I am getting everything(except the Xtreme,multitouch led and color thingee) and BAM!! 4 weeks to wait on the LED screens! Kinda pissed at that. He said he would give me a deal on the w700ds or w700. I want to future proof my purchase - but waiting 4 weeks sucks! Are you waiting 4 weeks for yours and are the new updates worth waiting 4 weeks?

 

Congrats, please report back when you get it.

 

I ordered it on Lenovo's Website

 

I hear you. But I have my new 27 iMac i7 to use. So I can wait.

 

Oh my... that's one powerful machine... congratulations!

Definitely - I'd love to read your comments on it and see some pictures

 

TABook lists it as a FX880M.

As to T510 vs W510 performance, W510 offers Quad capability...how that will effect your games depends on your games...but I imagine the turbo mode would beat out the faster stock speed of the T510s


Quad + 8GB RAM in a Thinkpad is what I've wanted for 3 years now...if I could have that in a T410s, it would be perfect. Just a matter of time, I suppose.

 

On your order confirmation, what does Est. Ship Date show? More than 4 weeks?

 

It'll be interesting to see how well lenovo managed to get the quad's 45W TDP under control.

 

Yep, It's that long

 

Actually meant to ask of it has an actual date or says "more than 4 weeks"

 

As it looks pretty good this new W510, I have fallen for the new HP Envy 15, for me it offers a great value for money, excelent design and premium materials.

I'll be waiting for news on your new W510 tough.

Congrats!

 

It said "Ships in more than 4 weeks" not actual date. I hope It 's faster than that

 

Before buying the W510, I configured the HP envy 15 as well and got this price

HP ENVY 15 Specifications $ 2,339 - $300 (Coupon Code NBTW34871) Total $2039 without Tax, which's about the same price as W510

Operating system Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-820QM Processor (1.73GHz, 8MB L2 Cache, 1333MHz FSB)

Memory 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)

Hard drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection

Graphics card 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5830

Display 15.6" diagonal Full High Definition LED HP Ultra Brightview Widescreen Display (1920x1080)

Networking Intel Wireless-N Mini-card with Bluetooth

Primary battery One 6 Cell Lithium Ion Polymer Battery

External optical drive External Slot SuperMulti DVD+/-R/RW Double Layer with 2 USB Ports

3-year HP Care Pack Pick Up and Return Service



Sicne the price is the same, In term of Performance/money I still think Lenovo's is better.

Just want to tell you, You should go to HP forum, you will see HP Envy has the heat problem and throttle issue.

 

Thanks for the comparison, I know the W510 is in a different league, and the heating issues on the Envy 15 (which I didn't know before) makes the Lenovo a smarter choice.

One thing though, is for sure that Lenovo ditched the rollcage construction for the new line of T510/W510 laptops?

 

Bit the bullet. I can order the warranty later once they figure things out.


Display Panel: 15.6" FHD Display (95% Gamut) with LED Backlight
System Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M Discrete Graphics 1GB DDR3
Total memory: 2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Keyboard: Keyboard US English
Finger Print Reader: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
Camera: Camera, 2.0 MP
Hard Drive: 320 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical device: Multi Recorder Optical Drive (12.7mm)
System expansion slots: Express Card Slot & 5 in 1 Card Reader & Smart Card Slot
Battery: 9 cell Li-Ion Battery
Power cord: Country Pack North America with Line cord & 135W AC adapter
Bluetooth: Bluetooth w/ antenna
Integrated WiFi wireless LAN adapters: Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300
Wireless WWAN accessories: Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable
Language Pack: Language Pack US English
Docking station: THINKPAD MINI DOCK PLUS SERIES 3


Skipped out on the Multitouch, as TABook showed it at 245 nit rather than 270. I can't stand fingerprints on my screen, so it's for the best I don't have it anyway.

2GB RAM, will upgrade it to 8GB (4x2GB PC10667) off Newegg, and sell off the 3GB I'll have sitting around.

320GB is fine, I'll have it in the UltraBay enclosure (sucks that they don't have a 12.7mm adapter, just the 9.5mm. Hopefully, that will change and I'll purchase accordingly). 160GB G2 is going in as its primary.


Really, I need to find out where this FX880M fits in relation to the FX1600M on my HP 8710W. If the video's better, and audio is at least equal to the 8710W, it may become my gaming and multimedia system.

I may end up looking at selling off the 8710W (if the video's better) or W500 (if it's not) and trying to get a T400S or T410S for work, rather than using the W500.

But, the $2400 tax writeoff won't be bad.



Also, estimated ship date is 1/17/10.

 

"T510 / W510 has the next Generation Hybrid glass fiber/carbon fiber Roll Cage just like the T410s/T400s/X200s. In the bottom is our Roll Cage to protect the rest of the system."

 

How come mine show ship more than 4 week? Maybe they just updated the actual date. I will go back to check it

one more Question, they already changed the GPU name? I saw your GPU spec say "System Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M Discrete Graphics 1GB DDR3"

Mine originally shows "System Graphics: NVIDIA NVS 5100m Discrete Graphics 1GB DDR3 with Intel Advanced Management Technology"

Maybe they just updated information few hours ago.

$2400 ?? How come you have to pay that much? Could you please explain? and I dont understand this statement "Skipped out on the Multitouch, as TABook showed it at 245 nit rather than 270"

 

Back, Mine still show "Ship more than 4 weeks" maybe mine got mutitouch screen.

Also, GPU still show "NVIDIA NVS 5100m Discrete Graphics 1GB DDR3 with Intel Advanced Management Technology"

where did you get GPU information from?

 

Sorry, mine came out to $2,006.22 from Lenovo. (CPP pricing; $1,741.65 for the laptop, $1,888.21 w/ docking station before tax)

I'm just preemptively adding the $200 or so I'll spend on RAM and the $200 or more I'll spend on the warranty.

Also, the Tabook (the final authority on what these laptops have) lists the videocard as an FX 880M. No Intel AMT (which seemed to be the codeword for switchable graphics on the W500).

 

Congratulations, nice configuration

Really? Intel Active Management Technology (AMT) is completely different from switchable graphics, and should not affect whether or not a machine has that function. But I believe the Tx10 and Wx10 both do not have switchable graphics, which is very unfortunate. Only the T410s will have switchable graphics.

 

Oh, I know.

Intel AMT on my HP 8710W is what you link.

But, for whatever reason, that's what Lenovo lists on the W500. V5700 w/ intel AMT


It's too bad the W510 won't have switchable graphics. I loved that part about my W500...I barely ever ran it in dedicated graphics mode. Most of what I do is 2D stuff (VMware)...but the 3D power when I felt a desire to game was nice.

 

Keep in mind that the i7-820QM/920XM doesn't have embedded graphics like it's Arrendale cousins do.

The lack of switchable graphics will be interesting from a battery consumption standpoint. Having a 9-cell and an ultrabay battery may be moot if the thing burns a hole in the ozone when you turn it on.

Sony is quoting 3hrs for 6-cell and 4.5 for 8-cell on their new F series, although it isn't clear if they are quoting time for the i7-820QM or i7-720QM. The sony doesn't have switchable graphics either. they have the tech to do this as it has been an option on the SZ and Z systems for years.

I'm not aware of any i7 procs with integrated graphics. Maybe it's the cost of being quad-core and not dual core and built on the 45nm process rather than 32nm. See this comparison chart

 

Quoted time for a 9 cell W510 is roughly 5 hours, with slice is 10. (Per tabook)

And yeah, sucks to be us Quad users...maybe the next chip will put it in...I'd like to think intel realizes that some users don't need all the power available to us all the time, and would value a few extra hours of battery life every once in a while.



Also, Sony's laptops that had the switachable graphics had the integrated GPU on the chipset, not the CPU. That certainly complicates issues now on the quad side, where there isn't integrated video on the chipset.

 

Based on this statement "Skipped out on the Multitouch, as TABook showed it at 245 nit rather than 270"

You meant the multitouch screen option comes with ony 245 nit not 270?

 

Really is that long? Awesome. But i'm afraid it 's just estimated Let's hope Lenovo can manage power consumption efficiently.

 

That's what it shows.

I know when I put a digitizer on my EEE 701 a couple years ago, that the max brightness went down fairly substantially. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see that the extra layer for the multitouch capability drop the brightness a bit.


Until we see some reviews, yeah, it's estimated...but it's generally been within 10% of their posted life.

 

Just read from the lenovoblog.com, a guy claim that a lenovo representative told him whatever the NVS5100 is, it's not a FX880m which will only be available in March! What a mess!

 

For real? What is the NVS 5100 then? If it's not FX880M, mine needs to be returned for sure.

 

You should call them and ask?

 

Will do and let you guys know.

 

I'm not sure how much flexibility there is from Nvidia's "platform form factor" specification and what OEM's use in their machines.

If this form factor is gospel, it has to be either the Quadro FX880M or the FX1800M. They are the only ones rated for 15.6" screens.

http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_go.html

HP is using the MVS 5100 name on it's new 15.6" EliteBooks

On the ElieteBook 8540p

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3955549-4097214.html

On the ElieteBook 8540w:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3955549-4097214.html

EDIT: Oh, and since the 1800M uses GDDR5, the FX880M is still the top contender.

 

problematic thing is, that the -p line is the portable performance line in HP and -w line is the workstation version. So i woulnd't be suprised if the two GPUs are completely different animals, one lower power dissipation rated than the other. The fact that the front page of the W510 series claims that GPU is "up to quadro fx880m" seems to imply that there is something lower than this fx880 chip. This kind of makes me suspect that NVS 5100m and fx880 are two completely different GPUs. NVIDIA hasn't updated their NVS series page in a while and that makes things even more confusing.

I started a thread on Lenovo forums in the W forums inquiring about this whole thing.

 

I ordered a W510 myself this morning. Mind kicking a link to the W forum?

I tend to agree with you on the "different card altogether" thing. None of the devices said to be using the NVS processor are available (HP, Lenovo, etc).

Gawd, I hope there isn't a problem with the chips. Nvidia has massively delayed the new GeForce cards due to manufacturing problems.

Anyhoo, the Lenovo support site has a video driver package for the W510. It has these cards listed:

This is probably meaningless. The t410 wouldn't have any of these GPU's.

 

here is the link to the thread i started:

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Serie...usion-need-Lenovo-s-clarification/td-p/192688

on the other hand, it seems that this is not the first time there is some confusion regarding the GPU in Lenovo's W line. THere was a problem a while ago where the V5700 GPU was being detected as Radeon HD3650. It ended up being a rebadged chip. Wonder if they managed to be all confusing about the GPU again. Here is the thread about that problem with original W500:

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/Help-W500-graphics-card-question/td-p/48350

Personally I was ready to order the W510 myself, but i will hold off until the confusion regarding components is resolved.

 

tigereat, manage to call in for more info?

 

Sorry for not letting you know. I called Lenovo rep and they first told me the NVS 5100 was the only GPU option for now, "So what you see is what you wil get" ?? I kept asking them about if the NVS 5100 's different from Quadro FX 880M. He answered that it's probably diffrent since NVS 5100 's the only option right now? (He kept saying this)

I also told them that in that case, "Please cancel my order becuase I only need FX 880M one". I also pointed out the W510 specs showing on Lenovo website about this GPU. When he saw it, he put me on hold, and came back with this sentence " We will call you back tomorrow or whenever, we got the precise information " What the ?????

I have been waiting sicne then but No one has called me yet. I'm thinking about canceling tomorrow if they cannot give me the answer.

 

Just went to Lenovo's website and couldn't see the W510 model anymore.

What happens?

 

Lol. You're right, it's gone.

While you're at it, can you also ask about the nvs3100m (T410/T510), which is also totally unknown?

 

Uhhhhh... looks like the T510 and T410s went away as well. The T410 is still there.

What did you do tigereat? You broke the internets

 

The tech spec page still shows them, as does the Compare page. But you cannot go to T510 and T410s from the Compare page.

What a chaos.

 

yeah, really disappointing.

My ship date still says 1/17/10 on my W510...hopefully they don't change that.

 

Wow, mine still shows 2/17