Lenovo Legion 5 and 7 (2020)

Lenovo revealed their new legion laptops yesterday.

https://www.ultrabookreview.com/36526-2020-lenovo-legion-5i-7i/





The AMD version is a instant buy for that price with a RTX 2060!

 

The AMD version's specs are confusing. HDR400 certified, but only 300 nits? 363mm width vs 396mm width on the Intel? So the AMD version, despite having identical dimensions and screen size, is just narrower in one dimension? No Freesync/Adaptive Sync? So is Lenovo going to strip this out of the AMD version, even though some AMD Thinkpads already had it for at least a year?

Also, the Intel low end version is bad. Quad core in 2020, 60Whr battery vs 80Whr, and GTX1650 vs RTX2060.

That being said, with the already odd specs on the AMD version and Lenovo's recent track record with bungling AMD specs, I have 0% faith the AMD version won't get decontented and stripped down before launch. Given that Lenovo only lists 8/16GB, maybe single channel DDR4 as well?

Either way, I'll believe it when I see it. They sold the outgoing version in Costco, so I'll believe it when I can test it out and buy one there.

 

Product page for the Legion 5 is now up in Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand's website.
Battery size tankis optional.
And only Intel based Legion 7 gets bigger "ScreenScape" of 17inch.
As for dGPU there seems to be some kind of conflicting info between Lenovo product pages and the PSREF official documentation.
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/Legion/Lenovo_Legion_5_15ARH05

I want a big screen for image rendering works. So no 17inch, no go. I'll likely be jumping to MSI vessel if Bravo17 is brought in to Singapore market. Or... If AfterShock brings in 17inch version of their FORGE R(XMG Apex) laptop.

 

Yeah i kinda agree but its still early so the information is all over the place. Having a quad core in 2020 is more than enough at least it wont run hot unlike the i7 6 cores CPUs. If the AMD version runs cooler than the intel version i'll definitely buy it but ofc imma wait until the reviews are out.

 

AMD are being screwed over by Intel pressure and bias. That's why there are no AMD laptops with RTX 2079 and 2080. They (almost all the manjor notebook manufacturers) are purposefully, and cynically, limiting the configs so as not to anger Intel.

 

True because Intel is finally losing their monopoly in laptop gaming. Just hoping AMD systems still wont run hotter and have less battery life than Intel systems. Its the main reason why i always go with Intel.

 

Losing gradually, not a big step as if production volume per model/series are on par with one another.
My reservation on when will we see AMD really risen up as competitive strong opponent... Probably until 6000 series?

The Brits gets a first taste of the AMD Aphrodisiac Red pill of daily computing power, that consumes less* energy to stress the body systems!
*(with U series APUs, but IMO, still looses little to INTEL's Blue U-gara in Mivrosoft's Office Excel tests)
With

https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/ideapad/s-series/IdeaPad-5-15ARE05/p/88IPS501393
@ GBP500 with "entry lvl'" 6 cores, thats hard to resist!​

 

AMD is either surpassing Intel or is at least comparable to them in battery life with Zen 2 Renoir (while offering GREATER CPU/IGP performance and more cores in a same or lower TDP package).

However, thermally speaking, OEMs' still seem to be 'crippling' AMD somewhat.
While the 4800H and 4900H (and the HS variants) do NOT seem to be thermal throttling, CPU+GPU all stress test indicates about 90 to 95 degrees Celsius temperatures on the CPU alone (and about 10 degrees lower on the GPU).
The GPU's are usually NV 1660ti and RTX 2060 MaxQ variants (which are rated at 60-80W TDP - and makes me wonder how/why are the GPU's heating up less than the more efficient CPU's).

These temps are for Asus and MSI laptops using Zen 2.

I don't find those temperatures sustainable or 'acceptable' if you ask me... certainly not if you expect to do any kind of content creation which in the long run could produce problems on other internal components (and lets not even go into the fan noise department - which is definitely not favorable for either Asus or MSI).

Granted, we don't know what kind of temperatures this Lenovo machine will have, but I have been very disappointed with OEM's cooling in Zen 2 laptops which emerged thus far (and it makes me question what the OEM's will do in regards to cooling once they start integrating AMD Navi GPU's like 5600M and 5700M which from a TDP point of view are a match for NV's mobile options, and should be same or better performance-wise) considering that past all AMD solutions have had disappointing cooling too.

AMD is ALREADY a strong and competitive opponent with Zen 2.
Zen 3 is right around the corner with some really promising increases in performance on CPU and iGP alone (nevermind the dGPU's).
So, it will probably be Zen 3 that possibly enables AMD greater penetration into the laptop market.
Zen 2 seems be making great strides and inroads... but thermally speaking, OEM's are still no designing proper cooling for these laptops.
And there's also the problem of pressure from Intel (who might indeed be bribing OEM's to not use Zen 2 in MINI-PC's... and if its happening there today, then its quite possible Intel is still lingering in the laptop market too).

The Lenovo machine will be interesting for sure, but I'd be more interested to see how will the cooling behave in such a unit (as Lenovo has a poor track record with giving AMD proper cooling - they actually gave Intel variants 2 cooling pipes vs just 1 cooling pipe for AMD variants).

 

Here are 2 different 15inch makes for ur reference on how much Lenovo had improved in dissipating heat from AMD CPUs.

ThinkPad E595 with Ryzen 3#00u from Japanese site that doesn't provide CPU model ref.

From NoteBookCheck review with 3700u


IdeaPad S145-15API with Athlon 300U pictures by NoteBookCheck

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52.2 C (for 3xxxU version) vs 37.6 C (for Athlon 300U).
While the 3xxxU version comes with dual heat pipes, surface temperatures are nearly 15 degrees higher.
Seems like a large discrepancy (unless the hw itself has acceptable temps under load).
Or Lenovo's chassis is just badly designed.

EDIT: We do know that packing more cores and transistors on smaller dies can result in high temperature outputs... but why aren't OEM's redesigning their cooling to take that into consideration then?

 

I don't think that they are badly designed. Highest temperature of 5#.# celcius captured is not as scary as my first AMD laptop, the INSPIRON 1501 with Turion TL-50 where basically the biggest heat, comes from the HDD.....when stresses kick in!

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Inspiron-1501-Notebook.2594.0.html
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-inspiron-1501-review-2/

 

Perhaps.
I'm not sure.
Asus and MSI might have simply done a really BAD thermal paste application... and it would be worth seeing if someone decided to repaste those laptops for the purpose of experimenting to see if the temperatures drop or not.

 

Probably the world's first video review on the Ryzen 4000-U series entry lvl 6core CPU in a slim chasis!

with the latest IdeaPad 5 15inch slim laptop. This time round, the heat disippitation may not disappoints some expectation! Internals revealed!​

 

The Thais gives their 9mins excitement preview of the
upcoming
Ryzen Legion 5!
(Jump straight to 4:10 for the unbox)

Unfortunately...there isn't any auto-generated subs for computer browser YouTube's auto-translate to share with international audiences​

 

The Legion 5 is now available on Lenovo's website but the configurations are pretty bad and overpriced especially the AMD version...

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptop...-series/Lenovo-Legion-5-15ARH05/p/88GMY501444

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/legion-laptops/legion-5-series/Legion-5i-15/p/88GMY501434

Also the GTX1660Ti and RTX 2060 will be available to Legion 5 (AMD) in the 2nd half of this year, so eventually, Legion 5 and 5i will have the same options available.

 

I had a chat couple of hours ago(that's a wee night in Asian region with a online CSO), find out that the AMD platform lappies won't be ready for South East Asia taking of orders n shipping until mid June till July.
Hmmm... Surprisingly... Australia starts getting their hands on the IdeaPad 5 with Ryzen 4k series cpu!!!
https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptop...deaPad-5-15ARE05/p/81YQCTO1WWENAU0/customize?

The Canadians will get their first hand on the Ryzen heart Legion5, compare to other markets around the globe...
https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptop...Legion-5-15ARH05/p/82B5CTO1WWENCA0/customize?
...however, they'll hv to pay a little more to be first in queue...

 

Thr Ryzen 4000's journey into gaming body doesn't bottleneck @ just Legion5!
This Reviewer/Retailer based in China gives u a comparison review and sneak peek into the internals of the Ryzen 4600H and Ryzen 4800H vs Intel 10th Gen i7-750 and i5-300 that will come in the Legion 7000series as R7000 and Y7000!

4600H vs i5-10300H with same GPU of GTX1650


4800H with GTX1650 vs i7-10750H with GTX1650ti


Both comparisons yields marginal benchmark.
Hence, the budget Ryzen based Legion 7000 seems to be a good buy!
Chinese subtitle is included for viewers convenience, that doesn't limits to Chinese reading or speaking folks. Click YouTube's subtitle settings and go Auto-Translate to the language of ur preference.
(note that YouTube's auto-translation may produce the type grammars to different language that may fail to meet viewers' expectation.)​

 

Until they drop prices dramatically nobodys going to buy them.

 

Some prices mentioned here...

**pardon me for my translation on this... I'm not too familiar with some of their terms.​

 

Yeah it's too expensive right now.

 

How low would you expect the new Ryzen based Gaming sets to go?
to the extreme to wipeout competitions @500USD? or give in a little @600USD? or competition encouraging 700USD?
Dude... you're looking at game-book man... Not typical notebooks with the usual U type CPUs without GPU.
Look at the 9th Gen Intel based Legion Game-Books that are going on "sale" thru Lenovo sites around the globe, is there really "clearance price" u see competitive to the new release?
Certainly, we can argue that by the time these R7000 Ryzen based Legion is available globally, the price will certainly be higher than what the Mainland Chinese gets. However, don't forget, what they're getting now are fixed spec'ed goods. We could be getting customizable ones elsewhere when production is stable.

 

These arent gaming laptops for sure. The 1650 made sure of that. And with 799-899 laptops rocking the 1660ti these would be poor value for gaming.

As a creator only laptop these could be a compelling buy though that'll depend on how good/bad the display on these are.

 

Like it or not, these GTX1### with different variants such as ti, maxp, maxq or whatsoever Nvidia can juice out to be, are considerably non-workstantion grade entry-level gaming GPUs. And whatever products that fitted with these are considerably low entry to mid low spec’ed laptops.
Yeah... I know, u’re advance/intermediate player level, and such spec will be a letdown to our status if u’re buying one...

 

The Legion 5(AMD) is now available in Canada, US, and selected Asian Lenovo websites as customizable.
However do take note that the 2nd Storage Drive is by default, un-removable as there isn't removal option available even if you chose just to have the 1st Storage Drive installed or removed.

Note that the 1st Storage Drive, NVMESSD have to be chosen to get the battery upsized to 80whr type.
Refer to the image below for better understanding

If you choose to have a mechanical HDD installed into the 1st Storage Drive, the default battery size sticks to the initial default package of 60whr.
If you choose to have the 1st Storage Drive stays vacant for future self upgrade, the battery size sticks to the initial default package of 60whr.

 

Even for creators they're still not worth the price

Its best to wait until the 2nd half of the year until more options are released

 

On the dGPU side, higher than GTX1650ti GPUs will only be available in the later** part of the year, according to Lenovo's HongKong site.
https://www.lenovo.com/hk/en/laptops/legion/legion-5-series/Lenovo-Legion-5-15ARH05/p/88GMY501444

**If yer fellas had noticed... The West usually gets the new products at least a month much faster than the EAST. So... GTX1660/ti/RTX20#0 may come slightly earlier than Asia.

 

The Legion 7i is availble on Lenovo's site. Still no reviews as of yet.

 

there are reviews done on the 7i，by reviewers from China. Just that i can't find one with proper Chinese subtitles in YouTube that allows international viewers to use the Auto-Translate funtion from the YouTube player.

 

In terms of cooling, there appear to be 4 types of thermal systems for certain GPU options

Thermal C 81YT VC 2070/80MAXQ

Thermal C 81YT VC 2070

Thermal C 81YT HP 2060

Thermal C 81YT HP 1160TI

So the GTX GPUs and RTX 2060 get Heat Pipes (HP?)

And the 2070 and super max-q GPUs get vapour chambers

 

Internals of the Legion 5i-17

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/gt06jb/on_the_back_of_newest_legion_5/
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Does anyone have any performance benchmarks for the 2070 super max q and 2080 super max q for the lenovo legion 7i? I'm considering getting this (currently have mag 15 with 2070 max q).

Issues I have with mag 15
1. Low 75C thermal limit on GPU makes elektroboost useless (essentially I have a 90w GPU anyways since it throttles most of the time)
2. Thunderbolt 3 drivers are super unreliable (have had issues with TB3 when other laptops I have had 0 issues)
3. Lack of Gsync (I love optimus for the battery life but the lenovo has advanced optimus that allows for BOTH)
4. Really loud and obnoxious fans

I remember the alienware m15 & legion y740 was SO much quieter than the mag 15. I think the lenovo 7i also has the dynamic boost where it'll cut power from the CPU TDP and give it to the GPU and theoretically push it to 105w instead of just 90w. I personally want close to my current 2070 115w performance but without the constant thermal throttle, better drivers and quieter fans.

 

What are your Firestrike and Timespy scores?

And have you considered the eluktroniks max 17 / Msi GE75 since youre going 17 inch anyway?

 

Lenovo legión 7i comes in 15".
I'll pull up the scores later today but I remember mag 15 reached around 19,000 in graphics.

MAX series looks great on paper but no gsync is available and webcam is at the bottom. (I use my web cam for work which is why I bought a mag 15 in the first place)

GE75 is too thick for my taste and doesn't have advanced Optimus. (Didn't see gsync either) and the battery is only 65W vs lenovos 80 w.

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Oops, say 7i and thought it was 17inch, my bad

 

If anyone can tell me the model number for the fans on this laptop and tell me their experience with fan noise, that'd be great FPS number for valorant on the 2070 super max q and 2080 super max q would be helpful as well.

 

Valorant is such a light game a 1660ti could run it at 144hz+. A 2060 is probably required for solid 240hz though.

 

You'd be surprised how many laptops thermal throttle because of the "Max q" design that can't run valorant at stable frame rates cause of thermal/power limit throttles.....

I'd also like to see FPS numbers for heavy titles like ARK survival evolved, Monster hunter world and ray traced minecraft

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I still have my stock GS75 90w 2080 Max-q results which should be equal to 80w 2080 super Max-q performance.

Average of 3 runs
Metro Exodus Ultra: 57.44 fps
Metro Exodus RTX: 48.82fps
MHW: 83.78fps (coral highlands benchmark pass)
FC5: 101.33
FCND: 89.33

You can of course overclock for about 10% performance gain.

My zephyrus G runs valorant fine at 144fps stable and it has a weak sauce 3750h and 1660ti Max-q. It's a really undemanding title.

 

review og legion 5 with 4800H and 1650ti. Much better thermals than Tuf A15, better noise, though he don't state dB and better cpu-performance. This model with 2060 when it becomes available will be a good deal and perhaps the best ryzen H-laptop if thermals and noise are important this far.

 

So pretty much it looks like 2080 super Max q 90w is equivalent to 2070 115w variant in terms of performance. With elektroboost from eluktronics, the 2080 super Max q gets close to desktop 2070 performance

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Just one another short review on the Ryzen version(4800H here)

*Take note on the Audio Quality from the Laptop! SWEET!!!​

 

No, 2080 Max-q (80w)< 2070 (115w) = 2080 super Max-q (80w) < 2080 Max-q (90w) < 2070 super (115w) = 2080 super Max-q (90w)

 

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They have their own testing methodology which is testing a bone stock system which introduces lots of variables. And the performance difference between the gpus i mentioned are so close that just a 5% performance variance will change the ranking. Its like ranking ryzen 3000 processors in gaming benchmarks.

My ranking is considering peak performance and only taking into firestrike and timespy graphic scores.

 

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How are these relevant? These comparisons are based on desktop gpus which have wildly different performance compared to mobile gpus.

 

Relevance? Perhaps not. To folks who only look to specific products specifically.
Reference? Yes. If folks taking the results as reference and do their own speculation/calculation by applying certain percentage "downsize" to mobile spec.

 

That's not how it works, you can't just take a certain percentage off and say that's how the mobile platform will run. The changes in TDP make big differences in performance of laptops.

 

Anyone owns this legion 7 yet?

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One more reason to get the RED HEART!
https://next.lab501.ro/notebook/review-lenovo-legion-5-15arh05-amd-ryzen-7-4800h-english-version/5