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    Lenovo T61p release date and video card

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by wingsofeagle, May 10, 2007.

  1. wingsofeagle

    wingsofeagle Notebook Consultant

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    I found that lenovo will release T61p arond June,5 ( and even earlier ) and it will come with NVidia Quadro FX 570 M 256MB video card ,


    Revolutionary Visual Solutions to Go

    The NVIDIA Quadro® FX Mobile workstation product family provides a full range of top-to-bottom solutions for unmatched performance and quality to meet the needs of the most demanding professionals. From digital content creators on a movie set, engineers at the plant, to the geo-scientist on a remote oil rig, Quadro FX Mobile graphics processing units (GPUs) are the standard graphics solution for professional 3D applications.

    The latest solutions, NVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M, 560M, and 360M, feature a revolutionary unified architecture and features GPU computing for visualization, to deliver excellent image quality and optimized visual computing application performance for mobile platforms. The reference standard for Shader Model 4.0, Quadro FX Mobile solutions enable next generation CAD, DCC, and visualization applications with new levels of interactivity, enabling unprecedented mobile capabilities.

    Available Solutions:

    High End

    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 3500M
    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M
    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M
    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 1500M

    Performance

    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M

    Entry Level

    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M
    * NVIDIA Quadro FX 350M

    Specifications
    NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 3500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 2500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 1600M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 1500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 570M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 360M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 350M

    NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 3500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 2500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 1600M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 1500M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 570M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 360M NVIDIA Quadro
    FX 350M

    NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M:

    Graphics Bus : PCI Express
    Memory Size : Upto 256MB
    Memory Interface : 128 bit
    PowerMizer Version 7.0
    Graphic Memory Bandwidth : Upto 22.4 GH/sec
    GPU Computing for Visualization : YES
    Shader Model : 4.0

    from http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?6395 :
    NVIDIA, the worldwide leader in programmable graphics processor technologies, has introduced a breakthrough NVIDIA Quadro® professional GPU architecture for notebook computers that enables entirely new graphics and visual computing capabilities for professionals who require uncompromised mobility. The new line of mobile graphics solutions, which includes NVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M, Quadro FX 570M and Quadro FX 360M, is designed to solve complex professional visual computing challenges in a mobile form factor.

    Designers, engineers and artists working with large datasets, models and images in markets such as computer-aided design (CAD), digital content creation (DCC), imaging, and the sciences, can now extend the power and capabilities of their desktop workstations with mobile solutions that feature the latest Quadro professional graphics architecture. These new mobile, visual-computing platforms deliver a uniform feature set, including Shader Model 4.0 and GPU computing for visualization, found in the recently announced NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 and Quadro FX 4600 desktop workstation solutions.

    “Industry-leading NVIDIA Quadro solutions continue to be adopted across a variety of workstation configurations, providing customers the power, flexibility, and features they need to get the job done,” said Jeff Brown, general manager, Professional Solutions Group at NVIDIA. “Companies, such as HP and Fujitsu, with proven track records in delivering high-performance mobile and desktop workstations, continue to redefine performance for customers by offering the latest NVIDIA Quadro solutions for professional graphics.”

    The new Quadro FX mobile solutions feature:

    *New Unified Architecture—An industry-first unified architecture that is capable of dynamically allocating compute, geometry, shading, and pixel processing power for optimized GPU performance

    *Next-Generation Vertex and Pixel Programmability—Shader Model 4.0 enables a higher level of performance and ultra-realistic effects for OpenGL and DirectX 10 professional applications

    *GPU Computing for Visualization and NVIDIA CUDA™ technology—Developers can tap into the high-performance computing power of Quadro to develop, prototype and solve complex visualization problems

    *PowerMizer® 7.0 Technology—Seventh-generation, hardware power management technology from NVIDIA that intelligently adapts to the user's needs for longer battery life and improved performance by reducing notebook power consumption and heat generation for the graphics subsystem

    Engineered to deliver high performance and visualization of extensive datasets with extremely high image quality in an ISV-certified mobile platform, the Quadro FX 1600M, available with up to 512MB G-DDR3 memory, and the Quadro FX 570M, offering up to 256MB G-DDR3 memory, feature a 128-bit memory interface, support for OpenGL 2.1 and DirectX 10, and adaptive power management tools. The Quadro FX 360M, designed for thin and light, entry-level mobile workstations, offers similar features as its bigger brothers, with up to 256MB G-DDR3 memory and a 64-bit memory interface.
    “Professionals buying the HP Compaq 8710w Mobile Workstation, our most powerful mobile workstation to date, can now take advantage of the new NVIDIA Quadro unified architecture and GPU computing capabilities,” said Carol Hess-Nickels, director, worldwide business notebook marketing, Personal Systems Group, HP. “With these new Quadro product offerings, our power-user customers can enjoy workstation-caliber processing and graphics performance wherever their work takes them.”

    “Fujitsu Siemens Computers is setting a new benchmark with its new CELSIUS H250 mobile workstation based on the NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M graphics,” said Andreas Thimmel, vice president Business Clients, Fujitsu Siemens Computers. “Extra slim and light, it combines optimum performance and leading-edge workstation graphics with extra-low noise level.”
     
  2. furrycute

    furrycute Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks for letting us know! Looking forward to the T61p release.
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Mom! Hot Pockets! NBR Reviewer

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    That is good new indeed for the Thinkpad. I'm really glad they're switching to nVidia graphics personally.

    Although, the Quadro FX1600M really should be named something else, like 1400M or something, because I seriously doubt its performance is better (or even the same as) the 1500M. It features a 128-bit bus and 22GB/s bandwidth, vs. the 1500M's 256-bit bus and 38GB/s bandwidth. Unless they clocked the core really high (which nearly never happens), then it seems like a cheap "upgrade," and being only available in a 17" form factor would be pretty stupid. I haven't seen any shader information to lead me to believe it's got any more shaders either, though the programmable shaders (and geometry shaders) is no doubt a good advancement.
     
  4. link1313

    link1313 Notebook Virtuoso

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    Oh ok , my only beef with the T61 is now gone :) . The 570M is based on one of the 8600s so it looks like its got good graphics now. the 140m was really weak.
     
  5. jcvjcvjcvjcv

    jcvjcvjcvjcv Notebook Evangelist

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    Lol, and after that 'ideal' notebook is born (Thinkpad with good GFX card), will everyone say that they are too expensive. :p
     
  6. furrycute

    furrycute Notebook Evangelist

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    How does this new nvidia card compare to the FireGl 5250?
     
  7. odin243

    odin243 Notebook Prophet

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    It should be approximately twice as powerful.
     
  8. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    Okay, then I will probably wait for T61p then... man I hate waiting... oh well
     
  9. furrycute

    furrycute Notebook Evangelist

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    I need a new laptop by June, so I went ahead and placed an order for a 15.4inch widescreen T60p. I just can't wait any longer.

    The prices are really good right now. I don't know when prices will be this good again.
     
  10. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm deciding between T60P and ASUS G1-AK024C... leaning toward the ASUS G1-AK024C since there is a store nearby that has one in stock for about the same price for similar specs even with Lenovo discount. Don't want to wait 2-3 weeks for lenovo to ship.
     
  11. aswalla

    aswalla Newbie

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    I found some conflicting info on the web which may be a misprint since the t61 video card listed is mislabeled. According to this Clarkson University 2007 program brochure, the T61p they have listed is showing an NVidia NB8P-GL 256MB video card. Link below:

    Clarkson Univ 2007 T61/T61p brochure

    I did a google search and this card does not appear anywhere yet although there is some mention of the NB8P online over at Engadget as well as here for the HP:

    Engradget NB8P link

    Notebookreview hp link

    The notebookreview thread talks about it being similar to 8600...

    You think the NVidia Quadro FX 570 M and the NB8P-GL are one and the same? Again, may be a complete misprint from Clarkson...
     
  12. sbergers

    sbergers Newbie

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    What kind of price/specs did you get for your T60P?
     
  13. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    I was going to buy a T60P but they said they are out of displays and that they will not have any until late May. Now I am looking at a Asus G1 at a local shop. Would prefer something with an 8400M GT with at least 256MB dedicated VRAM. Sony's FZ only has 64mb dedicated!
     
  14. bossier330

    bossier330 Notebook Consultant

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    i eas set on waiting until the t61 came out with better graphics, but the t61p looks like it'll cover my every need. any word on how much more expensive than a similarly equiped t61? when's the expected release date again?
     
  15. Homer_Jay_Thompson

    Homer_Jay_Thompson blathering blatherskite

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    Will the 14.1" T61P have a wide screen display?
     
  16. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    I've heard June 5th for T61p but not sure if that's accurate or not.
     
  17. bossier330

    bossier330 Notebook Consultant

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    i'm assuming it'll have a 15" display and more than wxga+?
     
  18. FREN

    FREN Hi, I'm a PC. NBR Reviewer

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    I doubt it'll be 14.1". More likely it'll be a 15.4" widescreen.
     
  19. bossier330

    bossier330 Notebook Consultant

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    any word on pricing? the t60 and t60p are (at least used to be) only a hundred dollars apart. withh the t61 and the t61p be similar?
     
  20. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    Looking right now, the t60 and t60P seem to be more like $280 apart.
     
  21. bossier330

    bossier330 Notebook Consultant

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    o ok. if the difference is the same between the t61 and the t61p, it'll be worth the wait and price.
     
  22. FREN

    FREN Hi, I'm a PC. NBR Reviewer

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    The main difference between the T60 and T60p is the graphics card. The Radeon X1400 to FireGL v5250 is a pretty big upgrade.
     
  23. bossier330

    bossier330 Notebook Consultant

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    i would have been satisfied with the t60p...then i found about about santa rosa. now it's just a waiting game.
     
  24. Sneaky_Chopsticks

    Sneaky_Chopsticks Notebook Deity

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    Will this have a better video card than HP HDX's ATI Mobility RADEON HD 2600XT??
     
  25. mryerse

    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    The 2600XT and the 570M are not even in the same class. 2600XT is mainstream/consumer class, and 570M is business/professional class. If you are asking about gaming, I'm sure the 2600XT will outperform the card that comes in the T61P. But the T61P is not meant to be the fastest gaming rig out there, it's solid and reliable.
     
  26. FREN

    FREN Hi, I'm a PC. NBR Reviewer

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    As myrerse said, you're comparing products that are oriented towards two different markets.

    Although professional workstation graphics cards (Nvidia Quadro and ATI FireGL) are meant for more "business" applications than actual gaming, their gaming potential is still very strong. A FireGL v5250 (based off the X1700) still gives the Radeon X1700 a run for the money. Workstation graphics cards are not that much weaker than their consumer gaming-oriented counterparts. When I say "not that much weaker," I'm talking on the order of 5%, not the 50% that some people may be telling you.
     
  27. Sneaky_Chopsticks

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    ah, ok, thank you guys for clarifying this for me
     
  28. FREN

    FREN Hi, I'm a PC. NBR Reviewer

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    Yeah. You will be able to game, although maybe at 5 FPS less :p
     
  29. Sneaky_Chopsticks

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    Lol, ok. I better stick with the HP HDX.
     
  30. toni2

    toni2 Notebook Enthusiast

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    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    Does that mean these cards won't handle a 1900X1200 resolution?
     
  32. eskimochaos

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    where did you find information that it would be release June 5th or earlier?
     
  33. Uodnelome

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    Yeah, I don't see the information cited anywhere either...

    But assuming it is indeed slated for a June 5th release, carrying the NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M card, here's how it compares to the NVS 140M.

    Both use PCI Express x16 -- VRAM on the 570M is up to 256 MB, as it is on the 140M (128/256 MB). The interface on the 570M is double the 140M's (64-bit) at 128 bits.

    The 570M, finally, uses PowerMizer version 7.0, with a graphics memory bandwidth of up to 22.4 GB/sec, and Shader Model 4.0 -- unfortunately, for some reason, similar statics unavailable for the 140M.

    It would thrill me if the Thinkpad T61p carried this card -- a durable machine with mid-range gaming capability would be very nice.
     
  34. superman23

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    any ideas as to how the battery life will be, compared to T61 w/ integrated or T61 w/ quadro 140m?
     
  35. pgatz11

    pgatz11 Notebook Consultant

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    Uodnelome Notebook Consultant

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    Interesting that the NVS 140M and FX 570M are both evidently based off of the 8400M. That's kind of a confusing numbering scheme.
     
  37. Guest

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    Released before June 5th and shipped before ......
     
  38. Uodnelome

    Uodnelome Notebook Consultant

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    Here is a link that's the 2nd result of a Google search for "t61p", evidently showing that the model carries the NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M card.

    It also states that the screen is available in WUXGA -- I'm skeptical about that; perhaps it's just the part of me that thinks 1900 x 1200 is too many pixels for a 15.4 inch (even in widescreen).

    Other than that, not much information of note -- hard drive, processor, RAM and flavor of O.S. are all customizable come the release date.

    If anything, just interesting to see it published.

    One note: If you click the picture of the "T61p", the larger version is a 4:3 screen X60.
     
  39. superman23

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    is T61p only going to be a 15"? I'm only interested in the 14" so is there no reason to wait?
     
  40. stgben

    stgben Notebook Geek

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    Last I heard the 14" T61p would be released first, followed by the 15" and 15.4".
     
  41. stimp1000

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    Thanks for the link. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the t61p came with WUXGA; the z61p also came with that resolution.
     
  42. vengance_01

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    Why did Lenovo go with Nvidia. Should have gone with ATI and the 2600XT or its Fire-GL based product. I had my eye on the T61P, but not anymore.
     
  43. Uodnelome

    Uodnelome Notebook Consultant

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    Why? The NVIDIA card is more powerful and supports DirectX10, and the machine as a whole is touted to be the coolest running Thinkpad ever.

    I suppose if you're a die hard ATI fan then it's a turn off...
     
  44. bossier330

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    since the t61p video card is supposedly based off the 8600 (or is it 8400?), will it have that hd-processing-on-the-gpu thing? i can't think of what it's called exactly.
     
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    mryerse Notebook Evangelist

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    I'd much rather have an nVidia 8M card on a T61P than ATI's new line. I'd also much rather have WUXGA. This is the 'p' model... 1680X1050 should be standard on 15.4" (1280X800 should go away), and WUXGA should become the premium res for 15.4" laptops. It makes a lot more sense if you're going to get a blu-ray drive to have WUXGA.

    I just hope this nVidia GPU is 8600 GT based, not 8400 GT based. That would be a major disapointment.
     
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    That being the case, what's the point of adding a "P" to the model? I'm genuinely confused about what the difference will be.
     
  48. mryerse

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    That's what I was thinking. However, it is coming with WUXGA and blu-ray... there's your 'p'. The 570M will be better in some way than the 140M, but I'm not sure much better in games.

    I think I am going to order an Asus G1S instead.
     
  49. furrycute

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    Have you actually seen the specs of this new 570M card?

    From nVidia's website, the 140M and 570M are in two entirely different classes.
     
  50. mryerse

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