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    Lenovo Thinkpad T520 Owner's Thread

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by format C:, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. shazam26

    shazam26 Notebook Geek

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    Hi,

    Just got T520 and i can't believe I was missing out such an excellent keyboard all these year. Anyhow, two questions:


    • Fan Constantly Running
      So, the fan runs constaly at row RPM; however, is there a setting to have the fan come on only as needed? For example, I have dell E6410 and i only hear the fan when it's under load.

    • Possible CPU Noise
      This is only aduit in a whisper quiet room. The noise is like bccccc,zingggg,keeeeen, some kind of elctric wire noise. Is this the famous CPU whine type of issue? If yes, i thought the latest BIOS fixed all that stuff.

      Plus does this get lounder while the machine is under load?

    Lastly, do you know of any stressing program that i can use to see the noise levels when this puppy is put to real work.

    thanks for your help,
     
  2. foch

    foch Newbie

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    Thinkpad T520 arrived yesterday.

    T520 keyboard has more flex than T60. The arrow keys on my T60 is rock solid, no flex.

    Everything look good except for the thickness. She is looking like a plus model.

    Never did like the angle of the power plug, it will go bad, should be L shape.

    Speaker location looks good but not functional because when I go to grab my laptop my thumps will be pressing against the speaker screen.

    I keep popping open my DVD drive. Should be flushed.

    Screen brightness (1600x900) is very good, using only 13/15 brightness.
     
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    StormShadow Notebook Geek

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    It looks to me like it should work: Thors.Hammer has a T420 with 16GB of Corsair RAM ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/8306168-post1307.html), and the T420 and T520 are sufficiently similar in this regard that they should both be capable of running with the same amount of memory.
     
  5. shazam26

    shazam26 Notebook Geek

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    Hi,

    Does anyone have any experience with core i7-2820 in either T420/T520? I am look to hear about heat output; moreover, if any, noise level?

    Thanks.
     
  6. ajiba

    ajiba Newbie

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    I have been a user of Thinkpads for about 10 years. My latest was a t61, but I needed to upgrade. I actually switched over to a Macbook Pro for a bit, but despite loving the trackpad and some OS things about Lion, found that I really, really, really missed the t61's keyboard. So, I am returning my MBP tomorrow, and will get the t520 (which I'm told has a similar, but not identical keyboard as the t61 - first question: any thoughts on that? I care mostly about the FEEL of the keyboard, not so much the layout - i type a LOT so the feel matters tremendously).

    Here's my second question: I want to get the t520 configuration where I have a 80 or 160 GB SSD that is the boot drive, AND a 500 GB normal HD. Lenovo does not config BOTH at the factory - I have to get one or the other, then do the other myself. Which should I have preinstalled by them, and which by myself? (not me personally, but probably a techie friend or shop). If I do the SSD from Lenovo, will they know to put it in the mSATA slot, or will they put it in the primary bay drive? Is this all even worth it (too complicated, etc.) - and the 500GB is more than sufficient for booting speed + getting around opening apps, etc.? I'm not a hard core techie user, just someone who does a lot of writing and web research and want to be fairly quick.

    Note - I would rather NOT use the optical drive for the HD, as I actually do use DVD's, etc. every so often.
     
  7. PatchySan

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    I find the current batch of ThinkPad keyboards to be quite decent. While in my opinion it doesn't feel as tactile to the solid backplate keyboards of the T6x era it still feels very good when comparing to its direct competitors.

    Lenovo don't ship mSATA SSD's, they will be your standard SSD drives that fits in the main bay. But even so I wouldn't recommend getting an SSD from Lenovo due to price alone, you can do better getting your own SSD from elsewhere and save a considerable sum in the process.

    Your best bet is to get a large capacity HDD drive and use that for general storage purposes while getting your own mSATA SSD (such as the Intel 310) as an OS boot drive so you don't have to sacrifice the DVD Ultrabay.
     
  8. ajiba

    ajiba Newbie

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    Thanks for this clarification. That's very helpful. I'm a bit of a newbie, so I'm curious if there is an easy-to-follow guide somewhere about how to a) to the install of something like the Intel 310, and b) how to reconfigure the boot up software (?) so that it goes to the SSD instead of the HD, and c) what I will have to install (or reinstall) on the SSD?

    Thanks!
     
  9. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    The 2.5" SSD and HDD look virtually identical and may be installed interchangeably in the primary bay. The Intel SSD 310, on the other hand, is different: it has mSATA form factor, and is to be installed in the WWAN slot.

    Refer to the T520 Hardware Maintenance Manual for clear, illustrated, easy-to-follow instructions. Go to this page and download the manual in PDF. Refer to page 75 for instructions related to your question 1.

    You must properly set the boot drive in BIOS to tell the system which device it will find Windows and load it into RAM. To get the Setup screen, press and hold F1 when you turn on the laptop.

    Refer to page 35 for instructions related to your questions 2 and 3.
     
  10. ajiba

    ajiba Newbie

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    Hi everyone,

    Thanks a million for your advice about the keyboard + SSD. One remaining question I have is this: I am significantly upgrading the T520 - does it make sense to still get a souped-up t520, or simply get the w520 (one sentiment I heard on the boards is that the higher up you go on the t520 spectrum, the more the w520 becomes a better value). Here are the specs I am getting:



    Intel Core i7-2860QM Processor (2.50 GHz, 8MB L3)
    Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64
    15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080) LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
    NVIDIA NVS 4200M Graphics with Optimus Technology, 1GB DDR3 Memory
    8 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
    720p Camera
    500 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
    DVD recordable multiburner
    Express Card Slot & 4 in 1 Card Reader
    9 cell Li-Ion Battery - 55++
    Country Pack North America with Line cord & 135W AC adapter
    Bluetooth 3.0
    Intel Centrino Advanced-N + WiMAX 6250 (2x2 ABGN)
    Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable
    Services and software
    3YR Onsite NBD + 3YR Priority Support + 3YR TPP
    Accessories
    ThinkPad TrackPoint Cap Collection

    Price: $3,068.99
    Web price: $2,287.29
    After eCoupon: $1,973.94
    You save: $1,095.05

    Total $1,973.94
    Use eCoupon code PRESIDENT
    Estimated ship date: 3/2/12**[/li]


    Here's my question: Which of the two makes better sense? Is there anything that the super-t520 has that a super-version of the w520 does not? is there any reason, in other words, that is compelling to go one way or the other?

    Thanks again for your advice!

    Best wishes!
     
  11. KLOVER

    KLOVER Notebook Consultant

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    Grabbed one of these during a crazy price error last week (Lenovo.ca):

    $645 for i7-2860QM, 4GB, 1600x900.

    For some reason, selecting the high-end 2860QM subtracted $191 from the price. Final price was the result of that + a 15% Friends and Family coupon.

    Build quality is OK but nothing spectacular. Plastics feel and look cheap.

    Screen is actually quite nice and I was not expecting decent contrast or viewing angles given my previous experiences with Lenovo panels. 600:1 contrast according to Notebookcheck and sRGB gamut coverage.
     
  12. phomanny

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    Wish I had see that last week on rfd. What a steal! Would've been able to price an i7 + FHD for under 1000
     
  13. shazam26

    shazam26 Notebook Geek

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  14. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    All items offered for sale at NBR must be posted in the appropriate Marketplace forum. They must also adhere to the Marketplace rules and use the Marketplace form.
     
  15. phomanny

    phomanny Notebook Consultant

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    hey guys quick questions before pulling the trigger on a new t520:

    how does the i7-2630QM (2.0 ghz, 6m cache) compare to the i3-2350M (2.30 ghz, 3m cache)? i can get the i7 for cheaper than the i3

    any difference in choosing between intel wifi link 1000 vs. the thinkpad 1x1 b/g/n?

    thanks a bunch!
     
  16. Kaso

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    It depends on what you're going to use the T520 for. For one, the i7 quad-core draws more power and runs hotter, meaning the batter will drain faster and the (noisy) fan will kick in more often. If your applications are not CPU-intensive, the i3 is sufficient.

    The ThinkPad 1x1 b/g/n is a Realtek part, AFAIK. The Intel WiFi Link 1000 is also 1x1 b/g/n and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a "Realtek inside." (The Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 is 3x3 b/g/n.)
     
  17. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    Intel 1000 is 2x1 from memory. The 1x1 doesn't support 5 ghz mode nor does Intel 1000, as such the Intel card will offer better performance too.

    If you can get the i7 quad core then by all means do so, as this will retain the resale value down the line if you ever want to sell it. But as said battery life suffers. But in terms of thermal management, the T520 with quad core runs at about the same temperature range as the i5 model i have tested.

    So other than the battery life and the larger power adapter (i think the T520 with quad core uses the 135 watt adapter), everything says the i7 quad core is a better purchase.
     
  18. shazam26

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    On the new T520, what is the acceptable level of flex? On mine, the keys, a,s,d and enter, backspace, and right shift keys are a Clacky and has a shallow sound. Some folks recommend using double sided tape but wondering how is it like for you?

    thanks.
     
  19. phomanny

    phomanny Notebook Consultant

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    thanks for your help guys. but i am a total noob and what you guys mentioned about the comparison between intel 1000 and thinkpad 1x1 unfortunately does not mean anything to me. it costs $0 to change between them, so i was wondering which would be "better" to choose?

    thanks so much again
     
  20. phomanny

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    still haven't pulled the trigger yet. i have the option of getting the 65w adapter or the 90w for no additional cost. aside from being heavier what is the benefit of having the 90w? i'm planning on getting an i3
     
  21. PatchySan

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    From my observation the 90w power brick charges the battery slightly faster than the 65w one so it's nice on those occasions where you're in the hurry to charge it up before you take your laptop out from the mains.

    As there is no cost difference I would vote for the Intel card. Intel generally have a good track record with wireless cards over time and tend to be Linux support friendly than the Realtek cards in comparison.
     
  22. rabbitz

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    Has there been a fix for the ultrabay hard drive ejecting when the computer goes to sleep? I've read various threads about it but they are all either inconclusive or solved by downloading the latest intel RST drivers. I have the latest drivers, and my hard drive still disconnects every single time I put my computer to sleep (even for 2 seconds to test...).
     
  23. Jesper Juul

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    I haven't had that happen to me yet, it did happen a couple of times on my W510 but never on the T520.
     
  24. Thors.Hammer

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    What hard drive and HDD adapter are you using in the Ultrabay?
     
  25. rabbitz

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    ebay 12.7mm caddy
    seagate 7200rpm 500gb 12.5mm hard drive

    The caddy has all the ultrabay attachments from the dvd drive and my computer is never moved so I know that it isn't a physical connection problem.
     
  26. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    Which eBay 12.7mm caddy? Got a link? I just want to see if it's the same one I use.

    FYI, the Seagate drives CAN be a pain in there rear. I'd recommend trying another drive if you have one just to rule the drives out. I'd also recommend using the caddy in another machine if possible and see if it work properly there.

    Or, if you have a friend with the official Ultrabay hard drive adapter, try it in your machine and see if that works.

    You should be able to isolate this down further.
     
  27. rabbitz

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    Hmm odd the problem went away... not sure what I did. I think I just uninstalled the intel RST drivers. Thanks for your help =)
     
  28. phomanny

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    just got a t520 with 2860qm and it's been great so far thanks for the help earlier. just a couple questions - is there any way to turn off cores when i don't require the power, and are there any tips to improving the colour accuracy of the HD+ screen? thanks a bunch
     
  29. conscriptvirus

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    I think windows may do it automatically. Try googling core parking. Its when windows turns off cores when theyre not being used to conserve power.

    Any other answers are welcome too
     
  30. phomanny

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    thanks. another question is about turning off the display with fn+f3 and/or rightclicking the thinkpad power manager battery and going to 'power off display'

    curious to know why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt?
     
  31. graytotoro

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    Anybody having trouble with nVidia's control panel? It crashes immediately if I start it and I've done the clean install with the newest drivers. It sucks because it wants to run Acrobat at full blast and Mass Effect on integrated.
     
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    At work I use a Dell U3011 via displayport and another 20" 4:3 screen from the analogue out at work (so the laptop screen is off). I used to be able to suspend with the screens connected and when I got home I could resume and have the laptop display turn on and show stuff.

    As of a few days ago this stopped working. When I resume I can hear the system wake and various noises (usb chimes etc) fire off (music even resumes playing if I left it playing when I suspended), but my display does not come back on.

    This is pretty frustrating. Has anybody else experienced this?

    T520 running Windows 7x64. NVidia drivers 8.17.12.7593. Laptop is in optimus mode.
     
  33. pchome

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    I am new to the T520 forum as I am thinking of getting it instead of the W520 I already have. I do not like the throttling on battery I have and the delay in everything when working on battery with the W520. Does T520 suffer the same issue whether I get the Intel Graphics 3000 or the discrete graphics?

    Please, help me with this issue so I can make my buying decision.

    Thanks.
     
  34. Thors.Hammer

    Thors.Hammer Notebook Enthusiast

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    Is that possible?
     
  35. pchome

    pchome Notebook Deity

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    What is that?
     
  36. Thors.Hammer

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    You asked 200+ questions before, during and after your purchase of the W520. You then started asking questions about the T420 a few days ago. Nobody answered so you asked again. Then you added essentially the same questions to the T520 thread.

    So I wondered what it is really going to take for you to make a decision and get happy with a purchase.

    If I were you, I would wait to see what unfolds with the Ivy Bridge machines that are coming and not rush into a decision to buy anything right now.

    Sorry you aren't happy with your W520 throttling but the facts around it's behavior have been documented on the forums at lenovo.com for quite some time. Long before your purchase.
     
  37. pchome

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    I did not know it is a mistake to use the different threads in this forum to inquire and compare different products to see what works for me. Yes, I am not happy with the throttling issue of the W520 but I still like Thinkpads and wanna know if there is an alternative that does not have the throttling but unfortunately, no one gave an answer about this till now. I wish I had the luxury to wait but unfortunately, I am without a machine right now and I cannot live like this awaiting the mercy of the Ivy Bridge. Also, I am not sure if this is a processor issue or is it Lenovo's design? That is wahy I wanted someone to answer me what component causes the throttling so I can sacrifice it whether it is the powerful Quad core processor or the discrete graphics but again no clear answer.

    I really hoped that someone can help instead of just trying to make people feel bad about asking questions!

    Thanks
     
  38. aadadams

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    All of the processors throttle on battery! That is how they achieve the quoted battery life. My advice, buy a desktop if the throttling is unbearable! Otherwise, learn to live with it... Cross posting won't help your cause... You've alienated many here and that is why answers are few and far between... The answer is the answer... no need for incessant rehashing... see Laptop, Desktop, Server and Embedded Processor Technology - Intel for more info on their cpus.
     
  39. pchome

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    Are you telling me that all laptops in the world do what my W520 does on batter (delayed key strokes, delayed change between browser tabs, delayed movement from an app to another or from window to another) which does not happen at all on AC? Please, do not tell me it is an isolated case because I tried a couple of machines and all of them have the same issue. Can you state that all laptops from any company have the same issue on battery?!!
     
  40. aadadams

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    The point is "no one seems capable of articulating anything to you relative to this identical question..." Eliminate throttling by buying a desktop! Perfect solution. Lenovo makes desktops too! Your problem is not a problem, it is how the chips were engineered... You fail to accept that time after time... Asking the same question in different threads throughout the forum isn't gonna make the facts change... Good luck to you sir!
     
  41. pchome

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    Well, the way I see it is inability to answer a simple question I have asked regarding your generalization to all processors. Anyway, I am not seeking an answer any more but I guess your strange behavior to try to defend a machine with all this power without being reasonable and respectful just takes away from the reputation of this forum. Not sure why you people jump in different threads and just try to p... off people. I wish I had much free time like you, sir.
     
  42. aadadams

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    Laptop, Desktop, Server and Embedded Processor Technology - Intel has the answers you seek... "Mobile" processors down clock on battery to extend life while away from AC power. This is a "feature" that has been engineered into the last several iterations of processors from intel dating back to pentium m if memory serves... It is not isolated to Lenovo's implementation! What part of that don't you get? Again if you want to rid yourself of that buy a desktop. and be sure to disable turbo mode if the processor is so equipped...
     
  43. MidnightSun

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    Going forward, let's keep the discussion focused and avoid personal attacks. Thanks.
     
  44. pchome

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    It's crazy that a W520 with even higher specs than T520 is cheaper than it. How does this happen? Is there any reason why one would buy a T520 and not a W520 based on this? Very confusing!
     
  45. Thors.Hammer

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    Economics 101. Higher volume and demand helps drive lower prices.
     
  46. pchome

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    You are right, but it's still very confusing to many customers!
     
  47. graytotoro

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    Lenovo's sales are extremely erratic. My T520 specc'd out to what I need came in at a full $200 after tax under the base W520's pre-tax price before options. I remember back when I was buying my T400 their prices were quite literally fluctuating by the hour - it was price X at 7:00 p.m. and an hour later it would be something different. Same for my T520.

    I also didn't need an i7 - I wasn't going to do anything more intensive than light-duty CAD (Inventor) and light-duty gaming (no Crysis!). That took $200 out of the equation and pushed me towards the T520.

    Still, I can't help but wonder if the W520's Optimus software works better...
     
  48. pchome

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    That is right. I agree that they change the prices by the hour sometimes.

    May I ask if you are observing throttling on battery with your T520?
     
  49. graytotoro

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    A bit. If I run on power-save mode, yes. There is lag when running games like Need for Speed. It's a lot better if it's max-power mode, but that's to be expected. Other than that it isn't as noticeable as I have the discrete video and most of my work is either light-duty document editing or video-intensive CAD/gaming.
     
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    I am asking because I am currently having the W520 and was thinking to get the T520 instead if it will significantly help with the throttling issue? Do you think there will be a significant difference?
     
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