Lenovo u430 touch

i dont see alote of talk about the u430 that was announced. I know it hasn't been released but no ones excited for it? It looks pretty well built and has some nice specs imo.

 

I don't like the less maintenance capability in U model ( U410).

 

I am interested in the U430. I don't think it comes out until end of August

 

Spotted the U430 for sale in Germany. 799Euro. Seems like a pretty good deal to me! Any news on a US release date?

LENOVO IdeaPad U430 TOUCH 59372369 | 0% Finanzierung Ratenzahlung Ratenkauf | nullprozentshop.de

LENOVO IdeaPad U430 TOUCH 59372369 [14"; i5-4200U, 8GB; 16GB SSD+500GB HDD; WIN8] bei notebooksbilliger.de

 

I found the U430 for sale in Germany... Not sure what that tells us? It says it is available immediately.

Check LENOVO IdeaPad U430 TOUCH 59372369 [14"; i5-4200U, 8GB; 16GB SSD+500GB HDD; WIN8] bei notebooksbilliger.de

and

Lenovo IdeaPad U430 (59372369) - Preis ab €799,00 - CHIP Online

Weird right? I wonder when we will get further news on a US release date.

 

Hopefully soon. The only thing that has me on the fence about this will the price to upgrade to the 1080p screen and a discrete GPU.

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I am fine with maxing out specs up to ~$1200. This looks like a fantastic machine. I really hope it is available for U.S. before July ends.

 

For 1200 id max out a Y510p, but thats just me.

Looks like patience is the victor here.

 

I wonder how a model that thin will handle heat..

 

What makes you prefer the Y510? How do you feel those two compare with the T440S?

 

The Y410p/Y510p are really completely different monsters from this. To compare apples to apples, the Y410p is 13.8" x 9.6" x 1.3" and 5.5lbs. The U430 is 13.3" x 9.2" x 0.8" and 4.1lbs. The Y series uses a 47W processor and an Nvidia GT 750m that will get you great performance but results in 4-5 hour battery life in non-gaming usage. The U430 is running a ULV processor (15W) and a (optional?) GT 730m that will get you good enough performance for daily use but won't run the latest games. The Y410p/510p are multimedia/gaming laptops whereas the U430 is essentially an ultrabook.

The Thinkpad T440s will be more similar to the U430, but is a business class laptop. You'll get better build quality and probably a better (matte, IPS) screen as well as (likely) a Quadro graphics card instead of the Geforce but it will likely cost significantly more.


I'm curious to see if a non-touch model will be offered. I don't see a real need for a touch screen and would like the reduced cost/weight of a traditional screen.

 

I think, that they will also release an 430 line without the touch display.

 

I have checked the y510p but the lack of a touchscreen and its bulkiness killed it. The u430 is still the one to go with but it will only be with a dual core i7 processor which was disappointing.

That being said, are you people going with 1600x900 or 1920x1080 on the 14 inch display?

 

Probably the 1080p just based on Lenovo's history. They tend to use higher quality displays in their higher resolution display options.

 

If you thought the Y510P was a touch laptop/ultrabook you are way off. Y series are cheap gaming laptops/multimedia laptops.

 

I have good eyes but I think 1920x1080 on a 14 inch would be too small for me. As for scaling down, I read that fuzziness occurs and sharpness decreases so its best to use at its native resolution. If the 1080p screen is $200 more, then I am definitively sticking with the base 1600x900.

I know the Y series isn't an ultrabook line. I was just looking for a powerful computer that can also be portable. Since computers are running windows 8 nowadays, a touch screen is imperative. After discounts on Lenovo's page, they cost the same give or take a few. If the 14in version is updated with a touchscreen I will consider it as it is only 5 lbs but generally for power and performance u430 is still the one to beat.

 

True, but Windows 8.1 is going to greatly improve text scaling on high res small screens.

 

Its a little under 5 pounds (4.85) and i have to agree, BUT the u series has one major problem:

It is not user-serviceable (common on most ultrabooks), which means no battery replacements no SSD upgrades

And touchscreens = fingerprints

1600x900 @ 14 inch is easier on the eyes than 1920x1080

 

Hmm now I don't know what screen resolution to get. Is 1080p hard to read? Does 900p sacrifice a lot of quality?

Also, will this laptop last 4 years of daily college use? Is the battery going to be good for 4 years? I do not need 10hrs but I will probably be using it for 4-6 hours daily for work and entertainment. Thoughts?

And does anyone know when the U430 is going to release? I've been waiting since it showed up on the website and I am checking everyday.

 

You'll really have to wait and see the reviews of the different displays. If what people were saying in the T440s topic is correct, there's no 14" 1080p TN panel, so it will likely be AHVA which is equivalent to IPS (a good thing). It will really depend on the quality of the 1600x900 panel.

People seemed to get around 4-6 hours of light use with the original U410. Since the U430 is using Haswell you should get somewhat better battery life out of it even if they use the same battery (probably 6-8, looking at how other Haswell refreshes have performed). Li-Ion batteries do degrade fairly quickly though. They are getting better, but after two years I would expect to see maybe 70% battery capacity depending on your usage. For year three and four you would probably have trouble making it through your 4-6 hours of daily use without plugging in. If battery longevity is a big concern for you, I would definitely look at a laptop with a user replaceable battery.

 

Wait so its completely impossible to replace the battery? I couldn't send it I to lenovo or a local computer repair shop to get a new battery?

Seems kind of pointless if it just becomes a useless machine after 3 years. I know people get new laptops like every 2 years...but still

 

Well, with the U410 you could actually replace it yourself (voiding the warranty, of course) but I haven't found any replacement batteries on reputable sites. Even Ebay is a no go. I'm sure Lenovo could do it for you but it's usually quite pricey to have a laptop manufacturer replace the battery.

 

^ Things like these are the reason i dont like Apple products, well that + overpriced laptops.

 

How is the y410p without a touch screen since it runs windows 8?
Thing is that y410p has absolutely all the specs I want and at $900, it is an incredible deal and 14 inches is my perfect size. I have always been stuck on the no touchscreen on windows 8 part.
In a few years I feel as if consumer will be forced in to touch screen laptops via the applications/programs/etc and that will be when I regret buying a non touch screen laptop.

I chatted with a Lenovo Rep and all they told me was next month with no specific date. Funny thing is that on some Lenovo pages, they are showing off the orange u330 model but there are no links to it.

That would be a huge game-changer(for lack of better words)
Where did you get this information from, I would like to read more on this.

 

Windows 8.1 will finally add Retina-like display support | The Verge

 

So should I get 1080p with this if the 8.1 will make things better for 14" laptops? When is 8.1 coming out?

Also for the removable battery, a lot of people seem to keep and use their macbook for 4+ years and they seem fine. So is the battery that problematic? I guess I don't mind sending it back to Lenovo for a replacement fee if it lasts 3 years before I have to do so.

I talked to Lenovo reps and they always tell me different things, so annoying. Some are helpful and some just say "I have no idea". Pretty bad customer service, because I know they have a launch calender of all the Fall releasing laptops. Someone told me beginning of August, someone told me end of August, and someone told me September!

If anyone has time, I would recommend chatting to a few different Lenovo reps online and just trying to draw some info about the U430 release date from each of them. Please post if you get a more exact date or timeframe!

 

Save the money get an SSD instead, that's my advice.

 

8.1 is expected to release by the end of the year. Again, I'd really wait and see what kind of quality each display option provides once the laptop is released.

As for the battery, it's not like your battery is going to just stop working after 3-4 years. You will just see diminished battery life.

 

Yes, I'm probably overreacting in regards to the battery, you're right. I think I'll just go FHD, I don't see how it could be worse and I have really good vision.

jobine, do you mean you think it's better to configure with a 256 SSD and a 900p screen instead of FHD? I plan to get an SSD with this most likely anyways, assuming it's not a crazy upgrade price.

 

I was assuming you were on a budget. In that case 900p+SSD would be better than 1080p and no SSD. Thats my opinion based on my shopping experience.

 

Thanks

You could always go with the 500GB configuration with 16GB SSD (Base configuration)so you can still use the money towards 1080p/intel i7 and still have 16GB SSD.





Lenovo is claiming 10 hours of battery! I would even be happy even if there are 3 or 4 hours( my current laptop has 1 hour of battery so my standards are as low as they can be)

"Up to 10 Hours Battery Life
Stop worrying about your battery: With the IdeaPad U430 Touch, you can enjoy up to 10 hours of use between charges. Lenovo Energy Management protects the long-term durability of the battery and uses advanced energy-saving technology to increase time spent between charges"

 

Ok I've been told August 6th, August 13th, and September 3rd as release dates from 3 different Lenovo reps! Gah I wish they would just all be on the same page and tell the official date. Do Lenovo machines always release on Tuesdays? Anyone else have any luck getting inside information on the launch date?

Also, I don't think I need an i7. I am going to configure with Geoforce GT 730m of course, so what processor would be best to go along with that? The i5-4500u, or the i5-4258u? I see the power consumption is different, does that matter? I'm pretty clueless about this.

 

The Lenovo Rep I talked to ignored the 3 dates that I posted from your post and just gave "next month" as an answer.

Same I will have to configure it with the geforce gt 730m 2GB
The i5-4500u you are talking about is actually the i74500u. At this point there are 3 main processors(I think, to choose from the ones offered)

Intel® Core™ i5-4258U Processor
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Clock Speed 2.4 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 2.9 GHz
Cache 3 MB

Intel® Core™ i7-4500U Processor
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Clock Speed 1.8 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3 GHz
Cache 4 MB

Intel® Core™ i7-4558U Processor
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Clock Speed 2.8 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.3 GHz
Cache 4 MB

Some of them have different integrated graphics but a Lenovo Rep informed me that u430 willnot have optimus switching technology so the job will be entirely for the discrete nvidia graphics. All 3 of them have the same cores and threads while the i7 provides 1mb in cache. Is this a big difference? One of the i7 starts at 1.8ghz, is this primarily for battery saving purposes since this is even lower than the i5 and its 2.4ghz. Can anyone explain which one, if any is the "best processor" to choose from the 3?

 

I would have to disagree, only because the SSD is an easy upgrade later on while switching out the display is not something your average user would undertake. Again, that's assuming there is a quality drop between the displays in addition to the resolution drop.

 

I highly doubt that the U430 will lack Optimus. In fact, I do not think it's even possible. Every Intel + Nvidia notebook released recently has had Optimus switching, including the U410. Lenovo's spec sheets never list the switchable graphics and most reps don't know any better. People were being told the Y410p/Y510p did not have Optimus, but they clearly do.

As far as the processors go, the I7-4500U is a 15W processor while the other two are 28W processors, so nearly double the power consumption. The 4258 and 4558 both have much better integrated graphics (Iris 5100 vs HD 4400) but if you're looking at the discrete GPU models that's probably not super important. They'll also see significantly better CPU performance due to the higher clock rates (unfortunately, I can't find any benchmarks of anything but the 4500U).

The 4558 is going to be the best from a performance perspective, the 4500U is going to be the best from a power consumption perspective. The i5 is going to be the most budget friendly, obviously.

 

So if money is not an issue, would you recommend the i7-4500 over the i5-4258u? Would that 28w be better than the 15w of the 4500u? i am not doing anything crazy intensive. i know gaming mainly depends on the GPU anyways. Which one would be better to get between those two? How much more power, which I assume means faster battery drainage, do the 4258u and 4558u use over the 4500u? I am going to be watching HD movies, playing light to medium gaming (LoL), and doing college work daily. Which processor should I go for?

Also, a rep I spoke to said it comes with 730m standard. I was a bit surprised by this, but he could be wrong.

 

LoL will definitely play on any processor. The 4258 and 4558 are going to use significantly more power because the minimum clock rate is so high. As you can see, the i7-4500u has turbo up to 3GHz, so you'll probably see similar performance to the i5. You'd really have to wait and see benchmarks for the 4258 and 4558 though.

And yeah, that actually makes sense. It looks like only the U310 came without a discrete GPU, the 14" models all had discrete graphics.

 

Agreed, I even checked Nvidia's website and they seem to imply that the current GT series(includes GT 730m) features optimus. Unless Lenovo themselves decided against the technology, it should feature it.

Thanks for the information on the 3 processors, it was very insightful. I7 4558 is a no brainer. If I wanted i5, I could choose a different non ultrabook laptop and i7 4500 starting at 1.8 ghz just isn't comfortable for me. It uses the least power but I can definitely trade away some of that *10 hour battery life for speedier performance. I am just hoping that upgrading to this processor is affordable (in the $100 range).

That is surprising but based on what I have seen, I think that rep didn't know what he/she was talking about, on engadget.com they had a photo of u430 features and it said optional nividia gt 730m 2GB which leads me to assume its available as an upgrade at a cost. Here's the picture

 

For what it's worth, I was told that August 27 is the "tentative" date by a rep today.

 

The U430 Touch is going on sale at Best Buy tomorrow (8/4):

Lenovo IdeaPad Ultrabook 14" TouchScreen Laptop 4GB Memory 500GB Hard Drive U430 TOUCH - 59371574 - Best Buy

 

woah i didnt even know there was such a low priced configuration. i thought it was starting at $899. ugh hopefully Lenovo releases August 13th otherwise I'll be really disappointed at this rate.

 

Why doesn't Best Buy ever list the specific names of the computers? It seems like the u430 touch but one can't be too sure.(edit - they did listed it secretly on a different page)

It has a sub par i5 chip, no dedicated graphics, no hdd/ssd combo and 4gb ram in 2013. I don't think its a good deal at $699.
The only thing going for it is 1600x900 resolution but even then, some people might prefer 1920x1080 resolution instead.

I might be part of a small group but I think waiting until October/November when the computer has come out and then choosing maxed out computer would be better. Knowing Lenovo and its many deals, a 1000$ u430 could be 800$ or 700$ by the time black friday rolls around. I will chug along with my toshiba amd vision cpu till then.

 

Users and uses differ. The BestBuy set up would seem to fit my wife's need well into the future.

The only aspect that could amount to a compromise is the hard drive. I don't know enough to appreciate how much of a compromise it represents relative to the 16 GB SSD assisted setup and would appreciate the forum's insights.

Is it possible to eventually achieve better tandem performance by adding an SSD on my own?
Thanks, RDV

 

It says it has a SSD:

 

I went to best buy, saw a Z400 and it was advertised as "Lenovo 14 inch"

0_o

 

It was unclear, one always assumes 500GB hard drives. 484GB hdds are unheard of.

Which is why lenovo themselves list storage in the format hard disk drive and then solid state drive.

 

Well it is a 14" Lenovo... They usually have the full model number in fine print on the label as well as on the website. Right under the header it lists "Model: U430 TOUCH - 59371574" on the site.


I don't know if this has been posted, but it is up on the US website as coming soon.

IdeaPad U430 Touch | 14" Multitouch Ultrabook | Lenovo (US)

There are 15w i3 and i5 options for the budget and power conscious. And it looks like all of the HDD options have some form of solid state memory, which is good. With the price of the model on Best Buy I'm hopeful that a "fully loaded" model could come in at the low four digits, but I'm not sure about Lenovo's pricing history with upgrade options.

Once reviews of the display and battery life come in I'll definitely be interested in this. I love that Lenovo is putting backlit keyboards in their consumer models as well, you usually have to go up to a business or premium model for that.

Edit: I am still hopeful for a non-touch model to bring the price and weight down...

 

It's been on Lenovo's site as "coming soon" for over 4 weeks now but now it looks like that actually took the link down..idk if thats a good sign or a bad one...

 

Ah, I didn't notice that before. Still, since it's now available at Best Buy I'd assume it's still coming.

 

Chances are, it's a pre-order.

Depending on the pricing and build quality, this laptop could probably be one of the best laptops of 2013.

And the 10 hour battery life seems like a lie, i expect 6 hours max.