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    Lenovo's Most Expensive Laptop more than Reserve

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by UCSCalan, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. UCSCalan

    UCSCalan Notebook Geek

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    I decided to visit Lenovo china web site and this is want i found
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    http://appserver.lenovo.com.cn/itemlist.asp?rckcode=A03B05
    98,000 RMB = 13,244.50 USD

    This **** cost as much as my Brand new Civic LOL..........


    Another interesting thing i found out was that the thinkpad T series starts 19,999 RMB which is equal to 2,702.82 USD. Is it me or does it seems like Lenovo like to rip of Chinese people..... man I am so glad I live in the US :)

    Here is the link if you don't believe me
    http://www-900.ibm.com/lenovoinfo/cn/thinkpad/index.html
     
  2. Charr

    Charr Notebook Deity

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    The best part is that this stuff is made there...
     
  3. LaptopGuru

    LaptopGuru Notebook Evangelist

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    Maybe it's the ruggedized Reserve? :)
     
  4. JabbaJabba

    JabbaJabba ThinkPad Facilitator

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    optomos Notebook Evangelist

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    Interesting. Military grade for special ops :)
     
  6. daylove

    daylove Notebook Consultant

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    you should calculate the exchange with the Euro not the dollar which is worthless nowadays
     
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    myzzdeedee Notebook Consultant

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    cooll. military style lol.. incredibly expensive for a laptop though
     
  8. Mark

    Mark Desktop Debugger

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    Its kind of funny the posts people say at the bottom of the article. A lot of them say that the T61p is rugged enough already. It's not like the notebook is marketed at consumers, it should be marketed to the military, and from my perspective, should be a direct competition to Panasonic's Toughbook line, which AFAIK doesn't have any competitors.

    Anyway, it would be interesting to know more of the specs on it that set it apart from a consumer notebook such as shock resistance, operating temperature, cold starts (in terms of temp), how long it can be underwater (assuming it can), and how it does in blowing sand.

    From what I do related to the military, these are some extremely important requirements in terms of making a product successful in the military market.

    Anyway, just keep in mind it isn't a consumer laptop and while it is expensive, there is a reason for it. :)

    Nice find OP! :)
     
  9. awesomeh2o

    awesomeh2o Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes, you are lucky. Every thing is cheaper in US! I'm in New Zealand, I've got a T61. it's Retail price here is over US$1600! just V bit cheaper than retail in China. also every thing sold in US is first grade! you know what, your Civic sold in New Zealand retail is more than us20,000! it seems like they are riping of everybody expect Americans. Why? can anybody figure it out?
     
  10. TPA

    TPA Notebook Evangelist

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    Because Socialist governments like in New Zealand and all over Europe require huge amounts of cash to operate. Part of the way they get money is import duties and taxes on businesses and sales. Socialist and Communist governments also have a tendency to frown on the masses having nice things (being consumers)...so the higher the price, the less likely the masses will buy things.
     
  11. hotboy

    hotboy Notebook Consultant

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    What? New Zealand and EU countries are not communist. The only communist country in europe I used to know was USSR and some of their allies.
     
  12. Sean S

    Sean S Notebook Consultant

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    errr.... last I checked New Zealand is a parliamentary democracy under constitutional monarchy.... i.e. Great Britain. ;)
     
  13. MarkoD

    MarkoD Notebook Guru

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    No offense, but you should at least Google a bit about other countries before posting such nonsense. FYI, USA is not the only democracy on Earth, and people in Europe (and elsewhere) also have hot water, cable and shopping carts...and other things you wouldn't even imagine!

    And yes, I live in Europe.
     
  14. TPA

    TPA Notebook Evangelist

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    socialism in the economic sense (as opposed to a political party or government system), since we were talking about economics. The US is a democratic republic but is slowly turning socialist in an economic sense much as Europe and New Zealand have.
     
  15. Mobil1

    Mobil1 Notebook Guru

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    Well if its any consolation I believe the rest of the world gets a lot cooler cell phones than we do over here in the US :confused:
     
  16. Splinter01

    Splinter01 Notebook Enthusiast

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    The reason things are cheaper is quite complicated, but the short story is that the dollar is in decline, but corporations can not afford to alienate the American market so therefore they keep prices artificially low there so as to maintain market share in the long term even though it results in lower to non-existent profit margins in the short term.
     
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    Hm, how about the U.S. is one of the largest consumers in the world and we love credit.
     
  18. UCSCalan

    UCSCalan Notebook Geek

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    ahahahah so True almost everyone is the US in the Debit....... College loans..... sigh
     
  19. braddd

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    QFT !!!!!1
     
  20. awesomeh2o

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    very true! regarding to import duties, if you are an importer, once goods arrived, you pay Tax, then pay GST (12.5%) on top of Tax, another word, tax on tax!!! also you pay 33% company tax. what the... if you are an individual, you pay huge amount of income tax too. http://www.ird.govt.nz/how-to/taxrates-codes/itaxsalaryandwage-incometaxrates.html

    then you spend your after tax income to buy things and pay gst. Retail price=(cost+duty+shipping+ margin)*1.125%

    you guys will be surprised and swear never ever live in New Zealand.
     
  21. chrixx

    chrixx Product Specialist NBR Reviewer

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    New Zealand is an extremely small market in comparison to the US. The sales probably account for 0.001% of US sales and it doesn't really matter to Lenovo whether they sell any in NZ at all. Providing support and distribution in such a small market is also very costly as they lack the economies of scale. Then, there's transportation and tax, but these are common factors for all consumer goods/services.

    Lenovo seems to be the only manufacturer with such outrageous pricing differentials as I believe they use their profit margins from the rest of the world to offset the loss they're making from their US operations. This is partly because they need to build a strong foothold in the US market as this market has a higher attachment to the IBM brand (as it was IBM PC's largest market) than the other markets.

    As laptops have little export restrictions for personal use, this has also prompted many people overseas to end up contributing towards US sales.
     
  22. eyecon82

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    lol...i have always been envious of the cell phones offered in europe and asia

    Everyone is surprised that the thinkpad prices are so low under lenovo...but it is only in the US...thinkpads can cost up to $3000 US in other countries
     
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    Pretty pimp, but 13 grand??????????
     
  24. JabbaJabba

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    I am sure many people wish you were right about the $3,000 USD, but I know that in certain North European countries a fully spec'd ThinkPad T61p could cost you $5,000 USD.

    And unfortunately one does not get those incredible discount coupons that US customers are flooded with everyday.
     
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    whoa...i knew it was high...but not that high

    We get flooded with 10% off coupons everyday. We also have a thing called FatWallet (not sure if it works internationally) that gives you a extra percentage off...credit card discounts + extra warranty.....then the shareholders, EPP, CPP, education discounts and so forth
     
  26. JabbaJabba

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    Yes US citizens are very fortunate when it comes to notebooks and electronics in general - not to mention cars. It sometimes make me think about moving to the US.
     
  27. eyecon82

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    In addition, that thinkpad reserve contest was only for US citizens as well

    What country do you live in?
     
  28. Waffa

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    In here, Estonia (nera to finland) it's normal. For example, one our main wholesale prices:


    Thinkpad T61W (this sounds reasonable)
    Intel Core 2 Duo T7250 2 GHz, 1024 MB mälu, 160 GB kõvaketas, 15.4" WXGA kuvar, DVD±RW seade, WiFi, Bluetooth, kaal 2.7 kg, Windows XP Pro, skandinaavia klaviatuur, sõrmejälje lugeja

    1371 eur / 2018 USA
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    ThinkPad T61
    (yes, not a P)
    Intel Core Duo T7100 1.83GHz , 1024 MB mälu, 80 GB kõvaketas, 14.1" WXGA+ 1440x900 ekraan, DVD/CDRW seade, a/b/g WiFi, Bluetooth, 6h (7Cell), 2.2 kg, Windows Vista Business(Win XP recovery),

    2688 eur / 3957 USA
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    Thinkpad T61p
    Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 2.2 GHz, 2x 1024 MB , 100 GB kõvaketas, 15.4" WUXGA , 256MB nVIDIA Quadro FX 570M, DVD±RW , WiFi, Bluetooth, 3.5 tundi, 2.6 kg, Windows XP Pro,fingerprint


    2231 eur / 3284 USA

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    or if this is to cheep u can try (from same store):


    ThinkPad T61P Model: 6457-5GG

    Core 2 Duo T7700 2x 2.40GHz • 2048MB • 100GB • DVD+/-RW DL • NVidia Quadro FX 570M 256MB • 3x USB 2.0/FireWire/Modem/Gb LAN/WLAN 802.11agn • 4in1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/xD) • 15.4" WUXGA non-glare TFT (1920x1200) • Windows Vista Ultimate • Li-Ionen-Akku (9 cell) • 2.56kg• FingerPrint Reader

    3890 eur / 5725 USA
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    Of course, old times one dollar was over 18 EEK,now it's 10..something..

    But for my self, i am thinking to buy: IBM Thinkpad T41p - price: 576 Eur / 849 USA. I know it was released 2004 but its almost new and it works better then most of them out there. I just need business laptop not something for gaming or vista. Specs:
    Pentium M Centrino 1700MHz, 1024MB DDR, 80GB Hdd 5400rpm, CDRW-DVD Combodrive, 14" SXGA Ekraan (1400x1050), WiFi, Bluetooth, 100/1000Lan, 128MB Ati Fire GL Video, WinXP PRO, - just need to add DVD burner and 1GB memory.

    So why the hell i should pay 5725 USA if i can get what i need from IBM just for 850 - 900 dollars. ...but how much T42p / T41P costs out there, same?
     
  29. Mobil1

    Mobil1 Notebook Guru

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    Wow, your T6x prices are pretty insane :eek:

    That's not nearly as bad but still quite up there.

    About a month ago or so, bought my T42p from Lenovo's Outlet for $650. They currently have a T42p P-M 2.05Ghz/2 GB RAM/80 GB HD/15" UXGA Flexview/BT/WiFi/Fingerprint for $882.