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http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/corporate/secure/en/Documents/dell-xps-15-brochure.pdf

The XPS 15 was just anounced today. Quadcore, GT750M, 4K IGZO screen 91Wh battery and room for HDD. All at 4'4lb and .7' thickness.

I hope lenovo has something in the works to combat this already. The only thing the t440p and T550p has going for it is the DVD drive.

All that marketing research and they miss this.

Something like a slightly thicker carbon with similar specs would be great.

 

That is not 4k.

Sharp is reportedly sampling 15.6" 4K right now, and should be shipping them either late this year or early next year, until then there is no 4K display in that size category.

Sharp Sampling 4K IGZO Displays for 15.6-inch Laptops

 

Inb4 XPS 15 has lots of overheating issues.

 

Why does Lenovo need something to combat this? They have enough variety of laptops so I don't see the need. It's not like Dell or HP automatically want to compete against Lenovo's X1 Carbon either.

 

Well, the X1 is due a replacement, though knowing Lenovo they wouldn't play catch-up with Dell, and they would probably try to pull off something different.

I also find it HILARIOUS how manufacturers are shoving Haswell 47W quad-cores into slim laptops. Those same CPUs fry laptops like MSI GE60, Clevo W230ST and Lenovo Y510p, why would i trust having one inside an ultrabook? Look at the W740SU, that thing runs blazing hot.

 

Yes you are 100% right.Whats the purpose of that kind of cpu when it will constantly throttle self down to ULV clock.

 

According to the spec, 91Wh battery is only for 512GB SSD (pricing will be ridiculous, no doubt). Smaller versions, that mention HDD, are 6 cell, likely because of space needed to put this HDD. So this "1) Quadcore, 2) GT750M, 3) 4K IGZO screen 4) 91Wh battery and 5) room for HDD" is not available, just some combinations of it. And a glossy screen.

 

The modern XPS line is junk so Lenovo shouldn't copy it unless they want some quick sales from people who don't care about quality.

The Carbon X1 is built much tougher than any modern XPS.

 

Yes. Who wants a thin light AND powerful laptops when you can have trackpoint buttons instead.....

One day soon all laptops will be this thin with powerful hardware and without DVD/HDD/Ethernet. All im saying is i hope lenovo has something in this category soon since a lot of people seems to be interested in it.

I only made the XPS reference since that is one of the only few in that category right now. I'am not a fan of the design at all but lets give it the benefit of the doubt before reviews are out. Razer blade 14 has proven 37wCPU + 55/65WGPU can work in a thin laptop with twin exhausts.

 

ThinkPads are supposed to be for work not play.

I can understand if you want an IdeaPad laptop that would compete with the XPS though.

ThinkPads need to be a certain thickness to have a spill area for the keyboard among other things.

BTW I'd rather buy a Dell Precision M3800 over the new XPS 15.

Precisions tend to be professional class machines while the XPS line is more of a prosumer line like what Apple offers.

 

The M3800 is a rebadged XPS 15 from the looks of things. With a different GPU.

As far as the for work thing goes. I think most people agree the days of thick workstation laptops are numbered. BTW the XPS 15 has a spill proof keyboard according to specs.

Traditional role of laptops are being redefined right now. Lenovo need to get on board to survive in the market. I think they are doing a good job with the W540 but the T440 and T440P are seriously dissapointing. The T440s is atleast unique in some ways. The T440P is just woefully underpowered for how thick it is.

 

Lenovo has the S540 in this category and maybe next year a 15" T-Series Ultrabook called T550.

I don´t see a need for them to bring annother Macbook Retina 15" Clone like Dell now with its XPS 15. We will see how successfull these "Ultrabook Workstations" will be. I don´t like the idea of "everything soldered or glued down".

I am glad tat Lenovo has kept the T440p and T540p lines normal with Ultrabay. At the moment, it seems like the T440p is the only 14"er that can take 3 HDDs/SSDs together due to the Ultrabay - I would call that a unique feature. And I don´t see a need to remove Ethernet - it is such an essential and important port.

And it is not underpowered. These are business-notebooks. They don´t need the top-end consumer GPUs, they are more focused on surpreme CPU power. They are designed to last and not melt under your hands. While the T440p maybe could take the GT 740M, this would maybe hurt Lenovo sales of the W540.

 

Well, a Thinkpad-oriented forum may be not the best source of people who want a MacBook clone, with glued everything, glossy screen, no trackpoint, huge dimensions (because of 15" display; why does it matter how thick it is, if its 40x30cm), and limited battery life with internal battery (because 90Wh is only available in a single, most expensive configuration, and that is limited to 512GB storage).

Yeah, one day soon all laptops will be much thinner, and not only won't have DVD/HDD/Ethernet (right, who needs to transfer data at 100MB/sec, if you can do 10Mb/sec over WiFi ), but also say a firm "no!" to that legacy Trackpoint, and the stupid legacy keyboard that hasn't changed much over many decades! I mean, why would anyone need any of those to visit Facebook, or stream a game?

Oh, sorry, calendar problem, that day already came a few years back

 

Ok. No point arguing. We will see how well these notebooks go in the market. In the end products live or die with market demand.

The problem with lenovo at the moment is they have lots ultrabooks but nothing with a quadcore and GPU in the form factor. That is growth area at the moment and it would be a shame if lenovo doesnt bring one to the table with the thinkpad built quality and keyboard.

I dont understand why you guys are so against it. Last time i check this is not a saturated market. How many thin and light notebooks are there with a quadcore and GPU. Not many at all. I don't buy the 'another clone' argument at all. There are STILL no direct competitor to the macbook pro retina (47w quadcore + GPU). Plenty of look a likes but nothing with the internals to match.



MODS: Please close this thread now.

 

Well, Lenovo is beating Dell and HP in units shipped. Dell even went private. Are you telling everyone that you want Lenovo to copy Apple?

 

Ok my last post before this turns to a flame thread.

I just want a thin well built laptop with ips screen a quad ore and decent 45 w Gpu.

Anyone who makes that on a windows platform will have my money. Right now no one apart from razer and dell have that on the table.

But I get that thinkpad users don't wants this so I'm going to leave it there.

Cheers

 

Yes, but that does not mean that they not copying or imitating or whatever other phrase one wants to use. It's all about the trends and currently, the trends are thin, light, and fashionable. Dell and HP are also focusing on other things but regarding their laptops, they are not sitting still either. I would say their upcoming Haswell-based laptops look great and distinct from Apple.

 

It seems the t440p will only have i7 4600m dual core as it's highest configuration. Check the Lenovo link on the t440p leaked pics thread.

Dual core+gt 730m in a thick chassis that's got a pro moniker. Lenovo! Wat the f

 

for $2000+

While dell is doing the m3800 with proper quadro card quad core CPU and high res ips for less money.

 

Lenovo is in business of producing inexpensive laptops. Numbers in Lenovo Solutions Center are not retail prices. Enough to have a look at existing models in there: W530 with HD+ display, K1000M, 8GB RAM and 500GB HDD does not cost anywhere close to $3159.00, more like a third of that.

 

the trend is for everything to go thin and light, it's what normal people (facebookers, college students, "young professionals", business "travellers") want. the people that want 4 inch thick laptops with 4 fans and 8 HDDs and ports for every known connector in the human history account for 1% of the laptop buying population. so i wouldn't blame dell on releasing a thin and light heatpad for winter, i mean, apple's done it and it seems to be very well received by those who don't give a crap about heat or throttling.

in my opinion lenovo is definitely missing out on a niche section of the market. although it's only a niche market because of the high cost, it'll eventually set the trend for further products. i think right now thinkpad needs a flagship that can go head to head with the precision line, ideapad will soon need a flagship to go head to head with XPS 15 and rMBP. every company needs a halo product, i hope lenovo's is dazzling.

W540 with the 2880*1620 display, 27mm thick is a decent entry from lenovo but how that compares with the M3800 remains to be seen. it all comes down to the price.

 

*looks at his already-aging Y410p*



I also find it ironic that the ultraslim U430p was released today with Dual-Core i7 and GT730M. Oh Lenovo...

 

In 15" formfactor? "normal" people are not buying 15" laptops, 13" at most.

And they absolutely must have quadcore and GPU and resolution otherwise unavailable in anything less than 30" (and even there for $3000+), and for some incredible reason while needing all that power on paper (what for? will their workflows actually run any faster on quadcore? will the cooling be adequate not to throttle down the CPU and GPU when used?) can't care less about the storage, or even half-decent network connection speed, don't ever do presentations, yet do care about a few millimeters when closed?

The only thing that is "normal" about these laptops, is that Apple happened to produce something like this last year. If Apple produced a 4" thick laptop, with dual Xeons inside, and 8 HDD, Dell and Lenovo would be producing 5" laptops with 12 HDDs.

 

Please tell me that this was written tongue-in-cheek...ideaPad vs. MBPr? In what parallel universe?

 

Actually, the Yoga 2 Pro has a QHD display yet remains pretty slim, plus Lenovo could always slip in an Iris Pro, retail it for around 1200$ and give the rMBP a good run for it's money.

 

Not in a million years.

Ever heard of a term "build quality"?

I'm not a Mac guy by any stretch of imagination, but if someone pointed a *very* big gun at my kids and made me choose between an IdeaPad of any kind and a MacBook, the latter would win hands down.

That's one of the reasons that newer ThinkPads tend to resemble Macs - because that is the line where Lenovo expects to give Apple hell - how successful they'll be remains to be seen...but at least QC will be on par, or very close.

 

Thats right. IdeaPads are budget-oriented consumer Notebooks. They are not targeting the premium segment that Apples targets (low and mid-market segment. The most "premium" IdeaPad and the flagship is maybe the IdeaPad Yoga 2 Pro, but even this is not premium compared to a Macbook Pro, a HP Elitebook or a ThinkPad. The most expensive IdeaPad maybe costs 1200 $, a maxed out W530 can cost up to 3500 $, and a maxed out MBPr is also in this price range. IdeaPad will never compare.

If there ever will be such a model, it will be a ThinkPad (as I said, the S540 is going in the same direction), I just hope there will be still some regular models around when this comes.

 

i would say most normal people are just using tablets these days. If they wanted a computer they will probably get one of the AIO....Almost every admin staff i know dont use a computer at home anymore. The only people that talk about buying new laptops are the people that work on one.

Laptops are really for people who need it for work, one way or another. Im not going to pretend to know what that market wants, but i know not everyone who works with laptops are coders and have been using thinkpads for decades. There is a huge segment that just want something powerful light and is high quality. Sure it helps if it doesnt make the owner look like a geek. Sure if the geek crowed is you then maybe it helps if it doesnt make you look like 'Mac fanboy cafe zombie' or whatever those guys are called these days. Just my opinion.