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    New Thinkpad Line up

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by rovisa, Jun 18, 2014.

  1. tkuhe

    tkuhe Notebook Enthusiast

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    T450s will be my next computer... Very excited about the update!
     
    tkuhe, Jan 4, 2015
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    First Hands-On Video of T550/T450s/T450/X250:
     
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    Well I guess I may have spoken too soon. I will need to really price out comparable x1 vs t450s. Both beautiful machines with buttons and function keys. Good stuff.
     
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    Pause at 0:19 and set to HD, you'll see there's a new ThinkPad Yoga with Broadwell.

     
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    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Lenovo slims down, adds horsepower to new ThinkPads | PCWorld

    Everywhere says the X250 is 20.3mm, which is the same as the X240. And Cnet says touchscreen is an option, and still three panel options (HD/Premium IPS Hd/Full HD). Wonder if Skylake will bring a large chassis change?
     
    Jayayess1190, Jan 4, 2015
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  7. Sgt.Squirrel

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    The video hints to a new Yoga 12 it seems. I wonder if they will bother updating the Yoga 14. The Yoga 14 with broadwell, a stylus and 840m would be perfect, but I doubt that will happen. Will the t450s be split into a dedicated graphics non-docking version like the t440s is? Would they make it available in the U.S...
     
    Sgt.Squirrel, Jan 5, 2015
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  8. jayku

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    I just hope the T450 has an IPS FHD option... I think that would be enough to get me to upgrade.
     
    jayku, Jan 5, 2015
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  9. Sgt.Squirrel

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    Digital trends is saying the t450 only goes up to 1600x900 touch/non-touch. I remember a leak a couple months ago saying this as well. It's strange because the e450/e550 and l450 get ips FHD, but I wouldn't put it past lenovo.

    Looks you will have to choose between 2 DIMM slots or FHD with the t450 vs t450S
     
    Sgt.Squirrel, Jan 5, 2015
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  10. jayku

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    Maybe wait for a T450p then. Or a T/W550 variant if I can convince myself I can live with the offset touchpad. I'm still pretty happy with my T530 (16GB RAM, i7-3632QM, dual SSDs) except for the poor viewing angles and color on the FHD display.
     
    jayku, Jan 5, 2015
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  11. sayhi

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    there is a 14" or even 15" thinkpad yoga directly behind the presented t450s in the video. does no one of you guys see it? :D

    edit: it must be 15", its huuge
     
    sayhi, Jan 5, 2015
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  12. nontrivial_pursuit

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    I think Anandtech has the most correct information on X250 at this point in time: AnandTech | Lenovo ThinkPad X250

    Summary:
    *) Up to i7.
    *) Up to 20 hours battery with 72Wh 6-cell.
    *) Trackpoint physical buttons are back (we knew that)
    *) Screen options: 1366x768, 1366x768 Premium IPS, or FullHD IPS
    *) Max. memory of 8GB
    *) 512SSD OR 1TB HDD
    *) Same weight and dimensions as X240
     
    nontrivial_pursuit, Jan 5, 2015
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  13. DooMMasteR

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    Two qustions I still cannot completly answer:
    1. Really just 8GB max from a single slot, or 4GB soldered on... 12GB max like we get with the Asus ZENbooks? Why would they "disable" dual channel memory?
    2. will there be a matte FHD non touch option?
     
    DooMMasteR, Jan 5, 2015
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  14. Faruk

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    It will still be running in dual-channel "flex" mode, where 8GB of the address space (4+4) will be dual-channel and the remaining 4GB will be single channel.

    What I've always wondered is whether ot not the integrated GPU is "smart" enough to allocate memory in the dual channel region, since that's what gets the most benefit out of it.
     
    Faruk, Jan 5, 2015
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    I don't think so. As per Anandtech:

    Source:

    AnandTech | Lenovo ThinkPad X250
     
    ajkula66, Jan 5, 2015
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  16. Faruk

    Faruk Notebook Evangelist

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    Oh I was referring to the T450s. I've given up on the X250, it's practically non-existant to me lol.
     
    Faruk, Jan 5, 2015
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    Apologies for misunderstanding your post - and yes, if we're discussing T450s - your statement about 4GB+8GB sounds true to me...
     
    ajkula66, Jan 5, 2015
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    How strange. Is all that extra space another DIMM takes up (!) really why there's only one slot in an X250 ? Seems perverse.
     
    abhattal, Jan 5, 2015
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    Especially when one takes into consideration that 8GB cap was introduced on X61 back in 2007...sure, the new processors are much faster, graphics are more powerful but 8GB RAM in 2015? Really? In a single DIMM, no less?

    Ridiculous...in my opinion, that is.
     
    ajkula66, Jan 5, 2015
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    I finally gave up buying a Windows laptop and just picked up a rMBP 13 for the first time. I'm still within the return policy period and this new X1 looks promising, however, based on my personal experience (and expectations) something will be most likely a deal breaker as this was the case with every single Windows Ultrabook that I were initially interested in. The new X1 proves it otherwise? We'll see.

    Meanwhile I'm trying hard to adapt Yosemite just because of rMBP's fantastic and near perfect hardware (and the fact that I have an iPhone).
     
    saman.sh, Jan 5, 2015
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  21. turqoisegirl08

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    Is there easy access to the innards of that rMBP?
     
    turqoisegirl08, Jan 5, 2015
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    If you were comparing rMBP to a ThinkPad - or even Precision/EliteBook - of the similar size, the answer is clearly "no".

    With that said, these are not bad machines at all presuming one can utilize OSX for all of their daily needs and live without a TrackPoint...
     
    ajkula66, Jan 5, 2015
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  23. turqoisegirl08

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    Thanks for clarifying that ajkula66. I definitely would get one of those rMBP so I could resell it! Plenty of uni students around my sector :D
     
    turqoisegirl08, Jan 5, 2015
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  24. saman.sh

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    Trying not to go off topic here, but why would you need access to the innards? Storage and/or memory? Do you need more than 16GB RAM and 1TB PCIe SSD? Or because it is more cost effective if you do it yourself?

    Agreed. I'm still trying to get along with OSX. Do you think an Apple touchpad can potentially replace a TrackPoint?
     
    saman.sh, Jan 5, 2015
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  25. ajkula66

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    There is definitely no "one size fits all" answer to your question.

    For me personally, never.

    My daughter, however, uses both on daily basis and doesn't complain about either/or. More power to her...
     
    ajkula66, Jan 5, 2015
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  26. BinkNR

    BinkNR Knock off all that evil

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    I hope so! We need some 16:10 or 3:2 panel goodness already! Why do Apple users always have all the fun?!

    I’d have to second this—this is one of the main checklist items for most ThinkPad users.
     
    BinkNR, Jan 5, 2015
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  27. red grenadine

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    If there comes a day where there are no more laptops with trackpoints being built, I'm hoarding every used thinkpad I can find so I can use them the next 20+ years
     
    red grenadine, Jan 5, 2015
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    Will there be a T450p ? I'd like to have a centered keyboard option, which at the moment only 14" or MBP fits the bill.

    Thank you.
     
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  29. pepclub

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    Probably not until standard voltage Broadwell chips launch in mid '15.
     
    pepclub, Jan 5, 2015
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  30. Nrbelex

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    Slightly off topic, but when can we expect to see Windows 10 pre-loaded on these? Even if it isn't at launch, we can expect Lenovo to release Windows 10 drivers for them, correct?
     
    Nrbelex, Jan 5, 2015
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  31. Raidriar

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    Still uninspiring. What is going on with laptops these days. What is so wrong with stuffing a 4th gen/5th gen intel chip inside the same form factor as the T420 with PHYSICAL buttons and a non-chiclet keyboard. No reason thus far to move away from the X220 Tablet
     
    Raidriar, Jan 6, 2015
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    Ok, so the new ThinkPads have dedicated TrackPoint buttons. Good. But does the touchpad still press down like in the current *40 series? Or is it more like the old clickpad? I tried finding a video from CES but they're not clicking in any of them.
     
    y.a.k, Jan 6, 2015
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  33. ibmthink

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    Yes. Lenovo normally supports the last 3 generations with drivers, so Tx30-Tx50 should be supported.

    I would expect Windows 10 preloads in the fall.

    It should work like the ClickPad found in the 2012 X1 Carbon.
     
    ibmthink, Jan 6, 2015
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  34. miku39

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    I believe it is Intel plan to move ultrabook to mainstream, to increase notebook pc appeal since light and thinness is very attractive factor for common user (just look at Apple MacBook). This move is made possible as CPU has already been fast enough for most common task since Sandy Bridge and even without lag if utilizing ssd.
    For power user there are still p and W series available I believe. Still same old form factor.
     
    miku39, Jan 6, 2015
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  35. ToniCipriani

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    I immediately returned the T440s I bought last year when it first came out because it had the horrible LG screen. If they combine the AUO or even better quality screen "consistently" with the return of the physical touchpad buttons I would consider trying the T450 series. They claim that they have listened to their customers, so we will see. Crazy as it sounds I thought that the "s" series was actually too light, or rather I should say that this time would go with the added flexibility of the "p" series as I could live with the little weight increase, if hopefully they introduce that again.
     
    pjc123, Jan 6, 2015
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  38. hytekj

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    The Thinkpad Yoga 12 is looking good!!
     
    hytekj, Jan 6, 2015
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    I got used to not using the trackpoint after buying my t440s (the buttons are horrid on that thing), so it's a moot point for me. I actually use an older HP probook half the time (lots of stuff connected to the t440s on my desk, and I'm too lazy to unplug it sometimes), and just use the touchpad + discrete buttons on it. Works fine for me, although I do use the trackpoint when on a machine that has one and discrete buttons (like my x120e).
     
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    I don't think the new touchpads press down like before. Heres the only youtube video where they use the touchpad.

    http://youtu.be/4jvdoLB9O1A?t=2m23s
     
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    The German reviewer from the same website, around 1:30 in clicks the touchpad a few times, looks like a little less travel, but cant be certain.....

    German vid here...
    http://youtu.be/8fIqD3zv4GM

    Youd think given the feedback from so many users one person at CES would look at the touchpad in a bit more detail!
     
    intp199, Jan 6, 2015
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    The new touchpad seems to be hinged at the top like on Macbooks.
     
    driveromw, Jan 6, 2015
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    driveromw, Jan 6, 2015
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    The bottom of the touchpad on the X1 clicks.
     
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    This looks promising, but need to see more reviews.

    Having the touchpad click from the bottom only will make accidental clicks much less of a problem.
     
    hhhd1, Jan 6, 2015
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    seems the CPU on the thinkpad yoga 12 (which is supposed to improve battery life) is the only thing that gets a refresh excluding the return of trackpoint buttons, which is a shame...i was hoping that lenovo would put a discrete GPU on the refresh but i guess that would be too farfetched...but again this makes me more glad about buying a thinkpad yoga 12 on black friday (i can live with not having trackpoint buttons)

    is there any new and clearer info about whether if the refresh of thinkpad yoga 14 will have the option of a digitizer? because that was a dealbreaker for me when i was deciding between 12 & 14
     
    kevineezy, Jan 6, 2015
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    Lenovo should hire some adviser to help them with some of the decisions, and to set their priorities on what needs fixing, the trackpad buttons where not the only bad decision they made in the last 4 generations of thinkpads.


    I hope they put in the T series, or any of their new laptops, the 28 watts processors with Iris graphics.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, they do not appear to be into making good decisions.
     
    hhhd1, Jan 7, 2015
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    Not many OEMs use these CPUs at all - as there is no clear point of them. For Workstations and Gaming machines, you need Quad-Core and dedicated GPUs for real performance. For thinner, "normal" Ultrabooks, battery life with an adequate performance is more important. The main point of these CPUs is the Iris iGPU, but why should HP, Lenovo or Dell build a business notebook (Latitude/ThinkPad/Elitebook) with that...

    Actually, here are the first benchmarks of the Broadwell U CPUs: Intel's Broadwell-U Core i5-5200U And i7-5600U: The First Benchmarks
     
    ibmthink, Jan 7, 2015
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