New Y460 and Y560 Ideapads

Lol! We've walked a similar path in trying to buy a laptop. We should co-write a book together.

I started out with the:

Asus UL30VT (a little underpowered vs. the current choices),
Asus UL30JT (tired of waiting for it to arrive),
Sony CW (great package but horrible/pathetic battery drain problem),
Asus G73JH (GREAT value for the money: power, cooling system, price; just too big, too heavy, too impractical [no LAN parties for me to go to at my age]),
Asus N82 (great package, Nvidia Optimus, but can't wait around for it to show up),
Lenovo Y460 (very portable with a great combination of power, price, portability, switchable graphics, battery life, but overheating could be a problem, as it definitely runs hotter than the ....)
HP Envy 15 (great combination of power, portability, style, LCD resolution, price [to some degree with the $300 coupon]

I need a laptop before the end of March. As it stands, I'll get either the Y460 or the Envy 15. If i had more time, the N82 would be a serious contender and probably the winner, as it has great battery life (Nvidia Optimus), but is less powerful than the Y460 and the Envy 15. Who knows? I may just wait for the N82 afterall!

Even with the higher price, I'm starting to lean towards the Envy 15, thanks to its superior cooling system design (3 fans).

Ironically, it's because of my scarring experience with the HP Pavillion ZD7000. That laptop was constantly overheating and cooking with pathetic cooling systems. I was lucky in that it also shut down before it fried itself to death. If you read the old reviews and posts, you'll find that many others were not so lucky....

 

I'm guessing that coupon is not applicable to the Envy 13? The Envy 15 and Y460 aren't interchangable for me as I really don't want to exceed 14".

 

Sure, the Envy 15 is 15.6", but it weighs 5.17lb/2.34kg which is pretty much the same as the N82Jv. To me, larger screen size is a good thing as long as the weight stays reasonable.

 

That's fine but I still think it's too bulky.

 

Well, if the overheating at Y460 is problem and Envy is too expensive with low battery life, we could wait for Y560, it should appear in the market until March ends

 

Except the Y560 will be too heavy.

 

Man, 0,35 kg difference (Envy 15 vs Y560) is not that much

But we have to wait for prices of Y560.

 

All of the things you and I listed are down to individual preference; there's little point arguing about them. I admit, I'd be willing to settle for the Y560 in the absence of other options, though.

 

Hmm, actually Y560's weight is only 2,6 kg.

I've found a new test of expected Y560, take a look

http://translate.google.cz/translat....com.cn/html/2010/20103/2010312_186278_5.html - five pages

 

any1 know if the y560 has two fans?

I was almost certain the y560 would get the nvidia 330m, seems not. The 5730 is just a higher clocked 5650. Being a 15" notebook makes it have a bigger thermal envelope and maybe 2 fans? The heat issue might be much less.

Some reviews show 3D capable screen w/ y560

 

Why would the Y560 get the Nvidia 330M when that's a weaker card than the HD 5650?

 

initial leaks/blog info made me think so

EDIT:found this:
http://ideapad.zol.com.cn/45/160_447751.html
http://translate.google.com/transla...1.html&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=GB2312

Although the previewer says it stays cool, wonder how hot this one can get! they y series is not looking so good. I know it will stay cool for daily use but if I wanna spend an hour or two playing a decent game, I dont care about the few % cpu throttling but I will certainly be pissed with a 101 C hot iron on my desk. I mean my current inspiron 1520 reached 90 and i was freaking out, was unbelievably scalding hot.

 

I'd imagine I'd place any laptop on a desk for gaming. Gaming would be awkward with the laptop in my lap.

 

Yeah. I just want to know if it's cool while on integrated. I'll definitely use an external mouse for gaming.

 

I doubt there would be heat issues when running on the IGP.
However, I can envisage situations where I would want to play something, probably a turn-based game, while on the move. Ideally, I'd be able to run those on the IGP as well, since turn-based games don't need much in the way of frames per second, though.

 

Hm. Now I'm caught between the Envy and y460 as well. Envy's only about $250 more for me after the $300 coupon and 10% Bing cashback.

 

Do NOT use Bing cashback in conjunction with the $300 coupon. Doing so will render the coupon inactive.

If you do a search and you'll find that this happened to people who wanted to do the same as you.

 

Here are my thoughts on deciding between the Envy 15 2nd Gen and the Y460.

If you want an extremely portable but powerful desktop replacement, get the Envy 15 (even though it ironically does NOT have an internal optical device).

If you want a jack-of-all trades laptop, get the Y460 (even though its heat problems could be substantially greater than that of its predecessor, the Y450, which were bad enough as it were).

Another better contender for the jack-of-all trades laptop is the Asus N82, but that may not come until the end of April or so.

 

Ah, thanks for that. That adds another hundred dollars to the price then...

 

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Originally Posted by bankergolfer View Post
Do NOT use Bing cashback in conjunction with the $300 coupon. Doing so will render the coupon inactive.

If you do a search and you'll find that this happened to people who wanted to do the same as you.
Ah, thanks for that. That adds another hundred dollars to the price then...
Today 12:25 PM

I was going to get the Y460 because of the pattys week sale and 10% bing cashback. Is combining them a no go on Lenovo's sale also?

 

Good question. I don't know. When researching using Bing with HP's coupon, I didn't come across any posts regarding Bing and Lenovo.

So, using Bing and Lenovo's coupon could be an issue. Using a Y460 with a potentially inadequate cooling solution could be an issue too (one of automatic shutdowns as a overheating precaution).

Just wish someone could confirm that the Y460 has solved their overheating issues. Something tells me that they haven't.

 

Someones gotta buy one first and let us know.. who wants to take the plunge?!?

 

HP envy 15 gen 2 is way better than y460
One is high end, the other is in middle range.

Y460 is currently overpriced

 

What is the fair value price for the Y460 and the Envy 15 (assume any configuration you wish)? Thanks.

 

You must have meant the Envy 15 is overpriced. They have very similar hardware yet the Envy is ~$300 more. You're paying for a nicer body, marginally better graphics & screen, no optical drive, and a bit less heat (to be determined).

The question is, is that worth the extra $$$ to you? A completely subjective decision.

 

Lenovo Y460 (i3-330, Intel GFX, 4GB DDR3, 320GB HDD, Bluetooth, Wifi, 1366x768 14" LED) - $899 Lenovo.com

Sony Vaio CW configured with same specs $829. NVidia GFX. Unsure of Screen type.

Dell Studio 14 configured with same specs $744.

Maybe yun is right.

 

I've been doing some research on the predecessor of the Y460, which is the Y450.

There have been many instances of random shutdowns of the Y450. It reminded me of my experiences with the old HP ZD7000, which suffered from overheating as well.

If the Y460 overheats because of its powerful GPU and inadequate cooling system, then it will probably also suffer from random shutdowns (which I suppose is preferable to having a fried, dead laptop).

 

The Lenovo y460 vs y450 vent comparison
http://q.yesky.com/group/review-18649780.html

 

Thank you for the link with pics.

I have 2 observations:

1. The Y460 looks a little hideous in real-world photos. The lid patterns and orange trim look tacky.

2. Those 4 extra little vents at the corners of the Y460 probably won't be enough by themselves to counter the heat thrown generated by the ATI 5650. I hope there are more improvements to the Y460 cooling system on the inside.

 

Corrected for you.

I don't even see Lenovo on the list of stores that Bing has cashback for...

 

After much vacillation, I decided to order the Y460 (clearly with the Core i5), so you can expect to see a review from me as soon as I get it.

 

Thanks! I must have the Envy 15 2nd Gen on my mind lol.

 

I haven't found anything yet about combining Bing cashback and the Lenovo coupon, after an hour's research. I'm most likely gonna order Tuesday, but we'll see.

 

Searched through Bing.com's legal info and found this: You will NOT get cashback under the following conditions: 'You will not earn cashback savings on purchases where (a) you close your browser or open the store's web site in a different web browser or tab; (b) you click away from the store after clicking on an eligible advertisement; (c) your browser is not configured to accept cookies; (d) the purchase is not completed in the same web browsing session in which you click on the eligible advertisement or listing; (e) the order is later cancelled or the goods or services are later returned; (f) the store does not report the purchase to us; (g) the goods or services are acquired for resale or other business purposes; (h) you use a separate discount or coupon with your order; (i) you exceed the annual monetary cap on cashback savings; (j) you purchase gift cards or gift certificates; or (k) you make a purchase from yourself or from entities that you control or otherwise in collusion with other people.'

(h) being cannot get cashback when using a seperate coupon or discount. so no $800 Y460.

 

The Y450 had an overheating problem? Hm...

I was thinking about picking up a Y460 sometime before graduating in June (can get the one with the 5650 for ~$200 cheaper than through Lenovo by ordering through my school).

I just wish there were more Core iX laptops with hybrid graphics in the 13-14" range.

 

Me too... I hope I made the right decision with this laptop.

 

I look forward to your review.

I wasn't going to purchase a new laptop for at least another 2 months. Gives time for more stuff to come to market.

 

In the end I was too concerned about the y460's heat. Got myself a decent price on an Envy.

 

What is the performance difference between the 5830 vs 5650, just by the number it look like that 5830 is two tier above the 5650. ( For ATI desktop graphic ...,5650, 5670, 5750, 5770, 5830,... not sure if it is the same for laptop)

 

Maybe HP will come out with a Envy 14"... I wish

 

Heat issues aren't unique to the Y460.. from the Engadget review of the Envy 15:

 

Regrettably, yes it does have an overheating problem. I believe the Y460 will too, with its more powerful GPU and lack of substantial improvements to its heating system.

Still, it does give you the option to manually switch graphics over to the integrated setup, which will allow the laptop to cool down over time. It's just a little inconvenient if you're in the middle of an intense firefight in BFBC2!

 

That's a review of the Envy 15 1st Generation.

There aren't many reviews of the refreshed Envy 15 2nd Generation. But by reading the hundreds of pages of the Envy 15 2nd Gen Owners Lounge thread, HP as fixed the overheating problem AND added a more powerful GPU.

Well done, HP. Now just fix that webcam / purple color.

 

Yes, the $300 coupon makes getting the Envy 15 2nd Gen a little easier to do.

I view the Envy 15 has an extremely portable desktop replacement laptop.

It is substantially lighter than the G73JH, has a much smaller form factor, just as efficient at cooling, same screen resolution, and almost the same screen size, and has about 1 hour longer battery life.

Where it differs: the G73JH has a more powerful GPU and CPU, comes with an internal optical drive, comes with 2 HDD by default.

 

I took my own suggestion and am going for the Envy 15.

Opted out of the Y460.

The screen resolution was the biggest factor for me, and I decided it was more important than switchable graphics. The heat was also a big turn off.

Best of luck to those sticking with the Y460.

 

i agree. I like to OC my laptops and desktops. The Y460 looks like it will have trouble dealing with heat of its stock settings, let alone those of an OC.

If I wanted to use a laptop on its integrated graphics just to keep it from overheating, I'd have gotten a netbook or something like the Asus UL30VT.

 

Huh, I can't believe that the Envy 15 is available for such good prices. Here in Czech republic prices start from 2300$ , which is more than double compared to Yx60 series laptops.

Probably I'm gonna continue waiting for the Y560...

 

Yeah the Envy costs 2000€; out of the question. I lost hope for y560 too cus according to the Asian market, it has the same cooling unit like the y460. The end result is both the cpu and gpu getting throttled, if it only had 2 heat sinks/fans would have been great (they might have stuck a 5830 even )

oh well, i cant buy before May anyways so i hope something like it shows up.

Wondering why any1 would buy the i5-520/40 Envy, ur not gonna use the iGPU, ur gonna buy the slice battery anyway to get any decent lifetime, it got separate fans for cpu gpu... I'd go for the quad core i7-720qm. Still would have to convince myself I'm never going to need the express card port (which the envy lacks) especially that usb 3.0 is on its way for mainstream.

 

An extra $300 over the 520m is the reason.

In any case, there is no option to use the iGPU because of the chipset HP chose.

Also, the i7 already comes with USB 3.0.

 

quick question, Does anyobody know when is the y560 actually going to be released? ( in Lenovo USA store) I almost can't wait, and I'm seriously considering the ASUS n61jq (at newegg) instead, what do you think, will the y560s be worth the wait?