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    Same spec Y740 worth the premium over Y540?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Lamim Rashid, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. Lamim Rashid

    Lamim Rashid Notebook Consultant

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    I already asked a similar question here:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...feeling-like-i-should-change-my-order.830486/
    But I figure maybe someone in this subforum will know better.
    I can get a Y740 with a 17.3in 144hz screen, RTX2060, 16gb ram, i7-9750h for $228 CAD more than a Y540 with the same specs.
    Is the price difference worth it?
    The Y540 is $1548 CAD ($1167 USD) and the Y740 is $1776 CAD ($1340 USD).
     
  2. IKAS V

    IKAS V Notebook Prophet

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    I would say no.
    The 17” Y540 is slightly smaller, it might look similar but the thin bezel design makes it look a bit more modern, the Y740 has thicker ugly bezels.
    Only real difference I see is the keyboard.
    Saying that I have a Y740 15” mostly got it because of the 500 nit screen and amazing sale price.
    Performance wise they most likely perform the same

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    Looking at it again the Y740 might have a advantage in cooling since there are more side exhaust ports ( 2 on Y540 and 4 on Y740 ) but I’m just guessing at this point.
    Back looks like the Y740 1 extra vent slot for cooling too , but that might just be the different chassis they use.
     
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    I was leaning towards the Y540 honestly. The only big advantage that appealed to me was the bigger battery. So you don't think the extra paid for the Y740 is worth it?
     
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    If your looking to save money the Y540 looks like a fine laptop.
    If you were asking about the 15” it would be different, the 500nit HDR screen is amazing. Too bad 17” don’t have them.
    Never had the 17’’ Y740 but they say that’s also a great laptop, you can’t go wrong with either.
     
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    Yeah I think if it had at least one more thing going for it, it could have been the difference but I don't see why I should spend extra for a few small bonuses that I don't care for. Originally I already ordered the 1660ti y540 with 8gb ram but with all the other same specs. Now I'm getting 8gb ram more and an upgrade to 2060 for $60 CAD more so that was an easy no brainer, but I don't think I can justify a whole 230 bucks more for gsync that I probably won't use since it's better to just lower your refresh rate and enable fast sync for games you can't get 144+ fps, fake hdr that would introduce latency to games if enabled, functional keys in an awkward spot, slight increase in battery that I'd love to have but can't justify spending that much more for, rgb that I wish it didn't have, better build quality that would be nice to have but not mandatory.
     
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    The HDR feature is amazing and has no latency, I’ve tested with at least half a dozen games and it’s incredible. Gsync is awesome, would not get a laptop without Gsync
    Love the screen on the 15” Y740 it really is impressive, but everybody is different and do what you think is best .
     
  7. Lamim Rashid

    Lamim Rashid Notebook Consultant

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    Hate to break it to you but real HDR always introduces at least a little latency when enabled. I'm not even sure how it's even hdr considering the panel is only 8bit. I prefer fastsync over gsync because gsync does introduce a little latency as well, as does all syncing technologies anyways but fastsync does introduce less when your framerate is high enough. I gsync shines in lower fps games where latency is not important but I mostly play online games that are easy to run like league of legends. Technically from what I understand any mux switch laptop can run gsync with a bios update enabling it if the panel is compatible, would be nice to see Lenovo enable it in the future but I doubt they well.
     
  8. dumpsterj

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    I just recently got the Y740 15" as well. While it doesn't have amazing specs for an HDR screen , it is noticeably better looking when enabled. Its not like my 1000 nit sony tv but its very very impressive on a laptop.
     
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  9. Lamim Rashid

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    The HDR is a gimmick. Not true HDR, it's software HDR. I'm pretty happy with the laptop but gaming on laptop is going to take some getting used to, not used to the noise and heat even though this laptop is a whole 10 decibels quieter than similar laptops like Helios 300.
     
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    https://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/8/

    This article is actually very helpful for wading through the screen sync mess

    It shows g-sync has superior input latency vs fast sync at the typical fps you attain on laptops, and even at 300+ fps.
     
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    However they do it , it looks better in Battlefield. Its not earth shattering but its still cool. The same way the Pantone certification on my Aero 15x made its screen look better than the other laptops I had seen before. Also the screen is really bright. Its a great laptop screen.
     
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    Yeah I forgot to make an update on this, but gsync is why I decided to get the Y740. Also check out the battlenonsense videos on laptop gsync specifically because it's not the same as desktop gsync, but is more similar to free sync or "gsync compatible". Gsync with the module in the monitor can enable gsync without any extra latency, but laptop/gsync compatible monitors and panels have a very small addition of 1-3ms latency from what I can understand. It's still very good, and of course unnoticeable. Originally I was worried that gsync compatible was not very good after reading all the complaints about it when it first became a thing but I think it's very mature by now and probably has higher standards for qualification in laptop implementations because I haven't had any issues with it. Was also worried about the added latency from not having the dedicated module but after seeing that it was only a few ms, and still far superior than using vsync or fast sync I decided it was worth it, and definitely has been. Games look beautiful above playable framerates and feel very responsive, especially once you limit the GPU fps. I highly recommend limiting your fps to slightly below your average fps if you cant maintain fps at your refresh rate -4 (-3 if you're using a monitor with the dedicated gsync module) because this IMMENSELY decreases latency and having a stable framerate looks much smoother than having a few fps more but constantly varying. There was a very good battlenonsense video documenting this.
     
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    How good software HDR looks is pretty dependant on the implementation. It can make things look worse even if it's implemented poorly. So far I haven't had any games or content to take advantage of HDR yet so idk if this feature is any usefull to me anyways.. I'm wary of HDR gaming anyways because HDR does introduce more latency on most monitors, but there are a few monitors that have almost as good HDR latency as without so it might be worth a try in the future when there's more HDR content.
     
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    Yeah its not really a big thing, the only game I use it in is battlefield , but its there. It looks good even if its only software. Kinda like the Dolby stuff enhances the sound. Im sure its open to interpretation but I consider them improvements.

    I didn't get the 740 for the HDR tho. I got it for the bright screen and cuz I snagged a brand new open box for $1200 on ebay lol
     
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    Ah your right its not exactly the same, but at least its such a minute difference.

    Ill keep that idead about fps limiting in mind, thanks