Screen Question

How normal is this issue with "light bleeding" / "light loss"

Its most noticable for me when I first start my T61p, a thin bright band is on the bottom of the screen and smaller bands can be found on the sides as well. Once windows loads I do not notice it as much.

One other thing I found, and for now I only see it towards the top box of my internet explorer (firefox) is a few really blocky looking areas. It is really hard to describe, but in the beige part of the window a few areas come out very light blue with blocky looking pixles.

Is this normal?

How can I determine which screen I have? LG or otherwise?

 

Im not sure about normal, but light leakeage is certainly not uncommon in a wide variety in makes and models of laptops.
not sure how to determine the make of the screen though

 

Why the hell did I spend 1300 on a product which isnt perfect. Is there anythig I can do about the light leekage?

 

No. You can return it for a restocking fee, but most likely just about any Thinkpad you get will have light leakage. Most other brands are going to have it as well.


You can determine the screen by looking up the FRU number. There are multiple threads about this if you search. Also, you can use PC Wizard 2007. It will tell you the screens part number... then google that number.

 

Light leakage is very common on LCD screens. It is always very noticeable on boot up when you have a black screen. Even my 22" Samsung 226BW exhibits light leakage. It is just one of the things you have to deal with when buying a notebook unfortunately. Same thing with dead pixels.

 

So is it a livable thing? I would hate to enter the long waiting process and paying a restocking fee to send it back.

 

That would be up to you. I have bleeding on my screen, probably worse then you. Did you even notice it before seeing an all black screen? I can't see bleeding if their is anything being displayed, so who cares? It wont get worse. The only time it might bother you is with the black bars at the bottom and top of widescreen movies.

 

Yes, light leakage is livable and for laptops almost unavoidable. There might be a few other manufacturers, like Sony, that probably performa better in the area of light leaked on their glossy screens.

What I think is more important that light leakage is overall color, viewing angles, and brightness. Lenovo uses Samsung and LG screens.Going in I really didn't care what screen I got even though I heard people complain about the Samsung screen. I thought they were just being too picky.

Since then, I have had personal experience with both brands. First I got a Samsung, after about one day of use I was very disappointed. In my opinion it was unacceptable. It didn't have any dead pixels or stuck pixels, but the colors were washed out/dull, the viewing angles were very poor (you really have to be perfectly centered with the screen and find a "sweet spot"), brightness... well, it would get bright, but the brighter you turn it up the more washed out the colors.

Then I got an LG screen. I have to say that it is not only acceptable, it is very good. Better viewing angles, richer coloring, brightness could be a little better when out in sunlight but that is probably typical of most any laptop LCD.

I am actually appalled that Lenovo boasts having the best keyboard in the industry, while I agree with that, they have got to have the worst LCD when it comes to the Samsung. It seems like outside of system performance, the keyboard and LCD are the two most important things since you are constantly touching the keyboard and looking at the LCD. I would think they would be just as concerned about the LCD. To me, that Samsung LCD is Lenovo saying "We really don't care what the LCD looks like."

It is just my opinion, but in the future I will struggle buying a Thinkpad if there is still a 50% chance of getting the same Samsung LCD. I would gladly pay extra if they made the LG screen or other good quality (such as an IPS) screen an upgrade option.

 

thanks I apreciate the help. One other thing is how do I find out if I have the SXGA vs the SXGA+? I ordered the SXGA+ and I want to know if there could have been a mass up.

 

I have a question about light leakage. Some people with the Samsung WUXGA says they are happy with it and low leakage, while others say high leakage. Does the way the screen is installed make a difference? Maybe it wasn't installed perfectly and caused high leakage or maybe even grainyness?

 

Right click on the desktop -> click "personalize" -> scroll down and click "Display Settings". Here you can see what resolution and adjust.

 

1400x1050 is the setting on currently and thats on the high resolution end. Does this mean it is the (plus)+ version.

 

1400x1050 = SXGA+

 

Has anyone brought a T61p from Canada and got the LG screen? I've got one on order and after reading all the comments i'm worried it'll be a Samsung...

 

And it's most definately neither Samsung or LG.

 

Re: SXGA v SXGA+, go into Windows Display Manager (or whatever it's called in the Control Panel), and set your display to the max resolution.

If 1400 x 1050 is available, you've got an SXGA+ panel.

If not, you've XGA.

I'm not sure what you mean by SXGA - I don't remember seeing that as an option for either the standard T61 14.1" or the 14.1" T61p. Wasn't there only XGA or SXGA+ ?

edit

Never saw those earlier replies (above), which weren't there when I started typing all of five minutes ago. How strange!

 

Run one of those system information programs like PC Wizard, Everest etc...
BTW, I think you've gotten a TMD (Toshiba Matsush!ta Display) screen.

 

how does that display compare to the samsung and/or LG?

 

why do you say that?

 

yes how?

This is interesting. Is this wizard program in windows or is it somthing i need to download?

 

Cause that's what Lenovo was shipping with the 4:3 14" configurations.
Isn't it what you have?

 

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

 

yes thank you!

How is the quality of this screen compaired to the LG and samsung? I am not familiar with the TMD.

 

Checked wizard: my screen is
Monitor Type : LTD141EN9B - 14 inches

 

Which is a TMD screen.

 

is tmd considered good quality? atleast better than samsung which has a obviously low consumer rating?

 

They're bad (at least the 14" SXGA+ ones) - fairly bright but with horrible vertical viewing angles.

 

doesnt seem too bad to me. The view angles are fine.

Is there a website with additional info on this display?

 

I've seen it too.
It shouldn't be "normal", but if every single one of them displays the same thing, then it would mean "normal" for this particular model.

 

I'm not aware of any...

 

Oh well idono what my options are then...

 

I had the LG in my widescreen and now have the TMD on the T61p. The LG is brighter because of the higher nits and it definately has better viewing angles(not a big concern to me).

 

Options with what? I have an SXGA+ screen. There is nothing wrong with your screen, if you replaced it with another TMD SXGA+ you would end up with the same issues. Its just not a high quality screen. SXGA+ screens on the thinkpads have never been high quality. Yes there is back light bleeding, yes the verticle viewing angle sucks(who cares?), but it's a LCD screen and looks good ENOUGH. What specific problems are you having?

I'll tell you, you do need to run a color calibration software, I will send you link to one that will really help to improve the screen.

Also TMD= Toshiba.

 

Here you go:

http://www.hex2bit.com/products/product_mcw.asp

Run that, it will breath new life in to your screen and you probably wont hate it so much. Personally I like the display but I don't have a lot to compare it to.

 

Got an LG screen. Brightness is great.
Light leakage is visible during boot up, then barely noticable.
One dead pixel. (#$*%&#@ But at least it's in the bottom right corner (up 2 and over 2 inches).