Sorry in advance but Thinkpad T420 or T520??

I know nothing about computers. My computer genius pal told me what to get for my 1st laptop. He picked the IBM Thinkpad for me. It cost significantly more than other laptops but I trusted him completely. I don't even know exactly what kind I have except I've had it for YEARS and it says T60 near the hinge, a sticker with "Intel Centrino Duo" on the left and the word "IBM" with the word ThinkPad in smaller letters under that on the right side? And the hinge still holds th4e screen at any angle I put it! I didn't know many other computers don't/can't do that.

Anyway, it's been the best!! I didn't know what other laptops were like until few years later. My friends have had more than 1 laptop over the years while mine still works. It wasn't until I used other peoples' laptops did I realize mine kicked some butt! It's sturdy, I don't have to worry about dropping it, keyboards look/feel better and just "feels' good. Well worth the money when compared to others and I know nothing about computers. I think I became a ThinkPad snob without knowing a thing about computers. LOL

I know I probably have no need for a "professional" computer. I didn't years ago either but that's what I was told to buy. I don't game, watch movies, play music on my computer. I do use it for school and work. More than enough computer for me. I didn't even know there were consumer vs. professional grade laptops.

I need to get a new one. My ThinkPad still works but it's so old that I've had lots of problems with memory? I can't put in new software (for school and work) because they're either too large, incompatible, etc. I have an external hard drive but hate to use it.

Two friends just got new computers. They have all these bells and whistles and look slick and shiny. Those things are SO light and flimsy. I have tiny hands but had a problem dealing with those small keyboards. I like the plain, black, professional, no-nonsense look of the ThinkPads.

Friends think I'm crazy to even think about a "ThinkPad" at almost twice what they spent for their computers, especially since I am not a technology person at all.

Time for a new computer and my whiz again said ThinkPad or a high end HP. Nothing has changed and I still don't know a thing about computers. But he knows I want something solid, last forever since I'm not up on the latest technology and no frills which would probably confuse me more. LOL

My pal recommends the ThinkPad T520 (actually T510 before I knew there was a newer model). Are these similar to the one I have now? I realize most of you would say the T series is overkill, especially for someone who probably will never know (or care) about half the cool functions computers can even do.

My pal knows all this but he also knows I love the fact that my computer still works and is sturdier and not the average computer everyone else has. I DID mention I was a snob too, right? About what I have no idea. LOL

He says I can definitely go cheaper and "prettier" but knows I don't care about that. He says if I didn't want a ThinkPad quality level laptop, I can go with anything at any store. No, I'm not rich at all but I am willing to pay more if I have to for a better machine. Better to keep one like mine for years rather than buy one every other year, IMO.

I've been trying to figure out. What's the main difference between the T420 and T520? And would it be better to get a T410 or T510 with all the best/highest options instead since they're discounted almost half the price these days, thank to the new models. And why are there so many reviews for the T420 and not for the T520? Is the T520 not as good?

My friend is out of the country right now so I don't want to bother him so thought I'd try here? I was/am hesitant to post because I know most would think it would be a waste for me to own a ThinkPad kind of like a Ferrari wasted on a little old lady. I ask that those who think that, to not be that harsh with your comments? Who knows? I may actually get into computers and want to do more with my computer.

Thank you for any help and insight you can give me.

BTW - I may not know what the heck you guys are talking about more than half the time but I love the humour and enthusiasm here. I think I'm starting to appreciate the computer more. I might even surprise my buddy with a little computer knowledge by the time he gets back. That is how bad I am with this stuff.

Thanks again.

 

Could you please elaborate your problems with "memory"? Are you just running out of hard drive space? Maybe a new hard drive is all you need. They are cheap and easy to install.

I get a feeling that the better CPUs in the new models won't mean a lot to you. It sounds like you are mostly just doing word processing and basic web browsing.

 

'I've been trying to figure out. What's the main difference between the T420 and T520? "

The 420 is 14 inches wide and the 520 is 15.3 so it's a difference in display width.

More reviews are done on the 430 because it's cheaper but offers the same electronic performance.

"Are these similar to the one I have now?"

Electronically, there is a fair amount of difference as far as age is concerned in batttery life, speed and memory address space.

You are wise to be considering a Thinkpad. It's better built. A 510 and a 520 are not the same machine. Look up Sandy Bridge on google.

Renee

 

Like orca3000 say, it seem like you might not need to buy a new laptop, but upgrade the current laptop. Can you give us the spec of the machine or the model number.

As for the difference between the T420 and t520, the T420 has a 14" screen, while the t520 has a 15" screen. They are mostly on par in quality. The T520 have a better screen, if you upgrade to hd+(1600*900) or fhd(1080p). If you don't need to take your laptop with you everyday, the t520 is an excellent choice. If you are on a budget the T510 is also a good option.

 

If you do end up buying a new laptop, there are quite a few important things to pay attention when configuring it (or buy a pre-configured model)

T420:
- Be sure you upgrade to the 1600x900 HD+ screen. It gives you more display room by making content smaller. This is the most important upgrade
- Get an i5 processor at least, because the Turbo Boost feature in the i5 processors allows them to clock themselves higher than the rated clock speed when extra performance is needed, or when not all the cores are being used heavily.
- Get 4GB of RAM. 2GB is a bit on the low side, and anything higher you most likely won't need.

T520:
- Get the 1600x900 screen at least, or preferrably the 1920x1080 screen if your T60 had the 1680x1050 resolution. (To check resolution, right click on your Windows XP desktop and click Properties)
- i5 processor
- 4GB of RAM

Regarding the hard drive - go with at least 320GB.
How big was the hard drive in your T60? open My Computer and right click on C: and click Properties, then it should tell you

 

"My ThinkPad still works but it's so old that I've had lots of problems with memory? I can't put in new software (for school and work) because they're either too large, incompatible, etc. I have an external hard drive but hate to use it."

From this, all of us can only deduce that you have possibly 3 issues:

Harddrive: size is too small. Installing a new harddrive is easy and fast and would save you lots of money. My T61 came with a stock 160gb 5400RPM so upgrading to 320+gb should solve your problems.
OS: You stated incompatible. I do not think its incompatible with your hardware but most likely your OS. A fresh install of Windows 7 should fix that.

RAM?: Insufficient ram? I know programs (very few) do a system check before installing and refuse to install if insufficient ram is detected. Unlikely thou...

However, if you do want a new computer, many of your questions have already been answered by fellow thinkpad owners. The main difference between the T510 and the T520 is the new sandy bridge processor. It has a better intergrated GPU, faster, and better battery life. Depending on what you use it for, you will probably notice only battery life. If that is important, I suggest you grab the T520. Both systems will be faster than your current model, but your work (deducing only word processing) will not notice a significant difference in speed.

It would greatly help us more to help you if you state the uses of your computer, what is important for you in a computer (screen size, harddrive space, speed, battery life), and quite possibly your budget (if you have one.)

 

Like you, I did not need a fancy expensive top of the line notebook, and only use it for Word/Excel programs, Internet, and email. Mature looking notebook was also needed. Really do not like the newer looking laptop. The military also tests some notebooks and IBM/Lenovo have been tested for drops, spills, shock, humidity and dust.

Don't game, or PhotoShop nor CAD. But I wanted a good reliable well built notebook that will last me a good while (4 yrs), have the money, so I selected the T420 after researching the T520/T420s and X220.

The T520 was a tad too big and heavy, X220 tad too small with a lower resolution screen (Great IPS screen however), T420s cost at least $340.00 more over the T420, but was only a smitten thinner than the T420, so why bother. T420 was the sweet spot.

Got 6 Gb of ram instead of 4 GB which should do just fine for multitasking. Got the i5 and HD+ screen as well which, not needed for my needs, is nice to have for the 4 yrs that I will have it.

 

Answer: T420

 

Thanks, guys.

I knew the difference in screen size was the difference for the T520 and T420. I was wondering if there was anything else besides the screen size. Oh and I measured the ThinkPad I have now and it's bigger than 14 inches.

I do alot of word processing, spreadsheets and other applications for work. I work in the legal field. I know it sounds weird but for some reason, the legal field sometimes doesn't embrace technology.

A long time ago, my friend put in a "stick" of something. I remember him saying that the layout was weird because he couldn't put in more? But that really was a long time ago.

I do think I need a new computer because mine is really old and sometimes doesn't like to shut down easily and I've done "hard" shut down?

I tinker around with my computer so I don't think I know everything my computer can do. But I guess I know more than I thought because I know how to look up properties and such. LOL

OK, my computer: Lenovo Intel(R) Core (TM)2, Windows XP 2002 version, 49.5 GB used and 20.4 GB Free


My friend knows me and my habits so he told me what I wanted at the very least...and I do think he was chuckling over the phone when he told me these things...

At least 1600 x 900 screen, 4GM of RAM (with 1 DIMM and not 2 whatever that means),
500 something,
at least i5 processor
no bluetooth
no fingerprint needed
camera was ok
didn't need the NVIDIA graphics thing, Intel was fine for me
at least premium 64 and not 32
smart card would be useful but not truly necessary for me
no unnecessary software

 

What part of T 4 2 0 do you not understand?

 

i dunno what you're talking about

thinkpads are super super sexy


i would go with a 420 and hook it up to a tv or a monitor when you get home. i think im going to do the same except with a 220

 

Oh and he did say that to go with the newer T420 or T520 rather than get the older model, even if it's a better deal.

I also telework sometimes and have to have a few different programs and databases running at the same time.

My battery life stinks so my computer is usually plugged in. I didn't need to be as mobile with my computer so that's why I was told to get the large screen years ago.

I didn't know that my computer was loud but I guess it is compared to the new ones I've seen/heard. I'm use to it because that's what I know. When a disc is put in, my computer sometimes sounds like it's spinning for awhile.

I have an external hard drive. But my computer sometimes doesn't like to recognize it and I have to connect it a few times.

 

This is why I said T420. Other owners are reporting really excellent battery life with the 9 cell. The 6 cell should be more than adequate for many people.

 

"What part of T 4 2 0 do you not understand?"

The problem is that many of us would not have a 14 inch machine. Allow him to make up his own mind.

Renee

 

Thanks, Thor.

I spent the last two days reading all the reviews here regarding the T420 and while I didn't understand alot of the technical stuff, I did learn alot. Thanks.

I know the battery life on the new ones were exceptional. Since I don't travel alot with my computer, thanks to telework, battery life was never that important. Actually, I don't think it was ever good on my current ThinkPad.
LOL

You like the T420. Why not the T520? I know there's a size difference in the screens but I guess I wanted to know if there was anything else that was different between the two models, besides screen size.

 

Renee, at no time did he specify screen size. He did manage to state resolution and battery life as a concern. A 14" machine is the best option in this day and age for most people. In my opinion. I'm entitled to state it.

He asked, I answered.

Long live linux.

 

Alright, personally, I would recommend the T520 for you, heres a step-by-step options you should get (online):

When you are ready to order, go to Lenovo - Laptop computers - ThinkPad T520
and pick the model in the middle.

There is a small blue text that you can click on to make the selection process easier by making it into a list. It right above "system components" tab.

Processor: 3 options. Your needs: The first option is fine, the core i7 will probably not grant you any noticeable speed difference. If you have the do not have the budget, save it for something else or you can get the core i7. The "middle of the road" is also fine, but really, 100mhz difference is minuscule.

OS: Either one. You cant choose a 32 bit system. The default option is fine.

Microsoft productivity: Basically office 2010, do you want/need?

Windows XP: unless your work uses software that only works on windows XP, don't get it.

Screen: Choose the 1600X900 at the very least. only $50 and well worth it. The other high resolution depends on your budget. Subjective, some say its too much for 15in, other welcome it.

RAM: choose the first 4GB (1DIMM). Your friend will probably install another "stick" for you. The "stick" is called RAM and will upgrade your system to 8gb of ram. It is usually cheaper to buy an after market RAM to put in your system.

Pointing device: the default one is what you need. the $20 option is just for luxury. Dont need to type in that long password everytime.

Camera: optional

Harddrive: your friend stated to get the 500GB. Listen to him. If not, get the 2nd 320 harddrive (the 7200RPM) if you want to save $40. Another way to boost your computer "speed" is to get a solid state drive (SSD). Lower capacity, but more power efficient and a lot faster.

Optical Drive: cant change

System Expansion slot: You said you could use a smart card reader, only $20.

Power cord: cant change

Battery: 9 cell battery is just more battery life. It sticks out from the back about an inch however. If you spend a lot of time away from an outlet, I suggest you get it. Its heavier but well worth the extra battery.

Bluetooth: you said you didnt want.

Mobile broadband: depends on you. You probably do not need it as its mostly for people on the go and needs internet at all times.

Additional software: get NOTHING

Warranty: Your friend will probably solve all your problems so you probably do not need to upgrade it.

Skip to reviewif what is stated above is true and you do not need another battery or case for your laptop.

It would be anywhere from $999-$1739.


If you order by 4/11, there is currently a 10% coupon you can enter when you are about to check-out: ECOUPONS10

Good luck and Enjoy.

 

People would get the T420 because its more of a perfect balance for people who do a lot of moving yet require a powerful machine. There is no difference between the t520 and the t420 that i know of (that affects you). Really, IMO the weight difference isnt worth the 1inch in screen estate.

 

Thanks, Thor.
BTW - Substitute "he" for hot, Asian chick and then you'll have it right.

 

I have an array of 15.4", 15.6", and 14.1" machines at my disposal. The native resolutions range from 1440x900 to 1920x1200.

My preferred screen size is the 15.4" screen with a 1680x1050 resolution. It suits me. Love that res.

I'm currently typing on the T410s which is 1440x900. Love the machine due to it's form factor, speed, power, etc. I don't love it for battery life.

I recommend the T420 and 1600x900 over it due to the battery life. This is based on the comments already in this forum from owners. I don't have one. I won't have one. I might have a chance to evaluate one in a few months but I am not sure. I do have the W520 and there I am familiar with the T520 chassis size. Not going to recommend it for anyone that isn't a nerd/geek.

I do however have a T420s arriving next week or the week after. By most accounts here, it's a luxury machine because the T420 is now close in size and weight. I agree with that. If I had purchased the machine, it would have been a T420, not the T420s. But I didn't purchase it and didn't make the decision. So I am stuck with it and a W520. Life sucks.

I will have good information in a few weeks but it will take some time for me to form an educated opinion.

 

ComputerNewB,

Thanks. I've been on the website and actually configured several different options to see what the price , options, etc. were like.

Thanks to you guys, I even added the coupon to all my configurations.

I know how to buy. Trust me. LOL

I also know what I am suppose to choose, thanks to my friend and now you guys.

While doing all these different configurations, that's when I realized I didn't know what the difference was when I was given options and actually wanted to learn.

Options - I will do what my friend (and you guys) told me to choose. Not a problem. But as much as I searched, I didn't find anything different besides screen size between the two, which frustrated me to death.

 

If you buy the ram and hdd and upgrade yourself it will actually be cheaper than the upgrade price Lenovo is offering. Since you are not very technical, I am not sure if you are willing to try to do the upgrade yourself? The processes are very easy and you might learn something in the process. The only hard part is cloning the hdd and restoring it to the new drive.

 

Sorry, the list I listed wasn't intended to be :This is how you buy, but more of, these are the options of which you should consider/choose. Sorry if it turned out another away and offended you. Its all pure good intent.

On that note, on k2001 suggestion, I agree. It would be cheaper to buy and install the harddrive and RAM by yourself or with the help of your friend.

 

Have a look at this:

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/ww/pdf/t420_t520_datasheet.pdf

That shows you all the different options available to both t420 and t520.

The main differences are the size, weight and screen. Personally I would take the t420. It will be closer in size to your current laptop. The laptop will be lighter, more portable, easier to fit in a bag, and take up less space on the desk than the t520. At 1600x900 resolution (which is basically how "dense" the pixels are on the screen), you will be able to fit the same things on screen for both sizes, the documents will just look slightly smaller on the t420 (but you can then zoom in.) Unless you have bad eyes, in which case a bigger screen might be more suitable.

Look at the "Form Factor" line in the document. Take a measuring tape out, and compare those measurements with your current laptop. That will give you an idea about the size differences. Don't forget these are "widescreen" laptops compared to your "4:3" (square) laptop, so they will be wider but not as deep.

Take a look at the "Gallery" for pictures of both laptops to get an idea of what connections will be available and how they both compare visually.

(If the link below doesn't work, go to Shop >Laptops & netbooks>ThinkPad laptops>ThinkPad T Series and click on the gallery tab)

Lenovo - ThinkPad laptops - T Series - Gallery

Hope that helps. For what it's worth, I have a T40 I bought in 2003, and it's finally just given up the ghost after being used almost EVERY day of the year, 12+ hours a day. (graphics chip died.) If you have the money, I would recommend you add the 3 year return to base warranty. They are good at honoring that, and provide good service. Also don't forget to check for online coupons.

Hope that helps and good luck on your purchase!

 

Do this hockeywitch....

Toss a coin in the air, and if it lands on heads, get the T420. If it lands on tails, get the T420 :laugh:

You will not regret the T420 for the weight, size, power, screen(1600x900)and battery life.

I checked out both a 14 and 15 inch computers at BestBuy, and decided that the 15 inch laptop was just a bit much in weight. Do the same and I can honestly say you may come to the same conclusion.

Good luck

 

If you only focus on such components as CPU, RAM and HDD, all computers (and brands) appear the same!

Relative to the kind of daily use that you will put your new notebook through, I'd say there is no significant differences between a T420 and a T520 except that the T520 is bigger (it looks unusually wide) and heavier. The T520 FHD 1920x1080 panel is quite good, but the pixel density may make the contents on the screen too small for certain users. Also, you have to ask yourself whether you really need the larger screen space for your work.

My suggestion:

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I assume that you may not be comfortable to open up the notebook and "upgrade" certain components.

If you watch your dollars and cents really closely, select the i3 CPU (the T420 i model) and skip the camera and the fingerprint reader.

Unless you're in a big rush, wait for coupons. I saw a 10% off coupon (SPRINGSALE something) last week.

 

Yeah, you may not notice the performance increase with the i5 and you may not necessarily need the camera or fingerprint reader, but the 1600x900 display upgrade will provide the most benefit no matter what you're doing.

I still recommend the i5 upgrade, but the screen's more important.