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    T430s owners'/would-be owners' thread.

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by XX55XX, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. Kaso

    Kaso Notebook Virtuoso

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    There is an easy alternative if you search hard enough. Of course, any mention of this is censored.

    The Recovery Media Creator could have been improved.

    A Windows 7 installation on the (mSATA) SSD, together with the drivers in the C:\SWTOOLS folder, is more expedient and reliable.

    Just download an .ISO image of Windows 7 installation and use your COA key.
     
  2. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    I don't think the T430s is shipping with Windows 7 Ultimate... I think it's a Pro-only system, so you'd need a Windows 7 Pro CD. If you search around, you will be able to locate Windows 7 SP1 ISO files that can be downloaded and either burned to DVD or copied to a USB thumb drive using the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool which is preferable, since it's a much faster install. With that, the OEM key on the bottom of your notebook should work to activate your copy of Windows.

    The SWTools folder contains everything else you need for a clean install, with the added bonus that you can also choose to never install some of those apps that you don't want.

    Some have claimed that they are not able to get boot times that are quite as good with a fresh install compared to a Lenovo pre-load, but the differences are slight, in my experience.
     
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    I previously bought a window 7 ult which I dropped onto USB like you described - I use that USB stick to install windows 7 home on my other systems. Its all depends on what CD key you use to install with.

    Edit:
    FYI - the Windows 7 ult cd (and vista) also works with installing OEM codes...
     
  4. s1148625

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    I found a suggestion to restore the system to its factory state using R&R, after which the system should have allowed the creation of another set of recovery media. However, this did not work for me, as it seems as though Lenovo is now marking the install on the recovery partition itself, not on the system partition. If there's another solution that you know of, please PM me, as I'd like to create the factory restore discs for when I resell the system.
     
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    I will be pulling the trigger soon I think for this T430s, I just have a few more questions.

    1.) Will the 4th of july bring a better sale than the one currently going on?
    2.) Where would be the best place to buy an ultrabay battery or an ultrabay hdd adapter? I haven't decided yet which one I will utilize.
    3.) I will be buying 8gb (2x4gb) or ram to use in this machine and I am looking at some with 1.35v instead of 1.5. realistically, will this bottleneck my system? Will it save any battery life at all?
    4.) I am planning on doing light gaming on this machine, and I am planning on just getting the HD 4000 model. When will thunderbolt eGPU's be available, and will they be able to play on the laptop screen, or will I need a seperate monitor?
    5.) Are both of these SSD's Samsung and Corsair compatible with the T430s?
    6.) Apart from a few features listed on the microsoft site which I don't actually use, would I be losing anything by going with win7 home premium rather than professional?
     
  6. Kaso

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    2. You can try NewmodeUS and various eBay sellers like this one.
    3. No drastic impact.
    5. Go for the Samsung. (0.28" or 7mm height is good.)

    6. No.
     
  7. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    Kaso is right. The Samsung will fit in the T430s, the Corsair drive will not.

    If you don't need the notebook transfer kit, you can save some cash by purchasing the drive alone. If you're going to do a clean install anyway, you aren't going to need the notebook kit, and it's not worth the extra $50 anyway.
     
  9. giesu

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    *s1148625 : Can you test the graphics card? in games or some benchmark? because I have a dilemma to choose i5 and nvidia or i7 and intel 4000
     
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    Thanks a lot for your mini review and videos on the T430s. Could you
    give some comments on the heat management and fan noise on the
    T430s when compared to your T420, especially under load. There have
    been many reports on those issues on the T420s so I wonder if they
    have been resolved in this model. I'm deciding whether I should get
    a T430 or a T430s. I prefer the form factor of T430s a lot more but
    if it runs much hotter than the T430 (or T420), then its lower weight
    and thinner profile might not be worth it.
     
  12. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    Apparently, my T430s has shipped on the 14th, but I don't have a tracking number from UPS just yet.
     
  13. Thors.Hammer

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    You don't see the tracking number on the online order details?
     
  14. XX55XX

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    It's blank. Probably still sitting in the warehouse, waiting for a UPS label to be put onto it.
     
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    It seems that the HD+ screen upgrade is available at no cost until June 20th. Damn it, I could have saved approximately $50...
     
  17. s1148625

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    Yes - the mSATA is just for extra storage.
     
  18. Supranium

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    Take a look at access time differences. The difference is huge. This makes your mSATA drive a LOT slower than Sata3 drive.
    I dont know if its Muskin drive fault or is mSata actually that slow.
    Perhaps the answer is that mSATA works on IDE mode instead of being on ACHI mode.
    :confused:
     
  19. s1148625

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    I ran some h.264 multi-threaded video encoding this afternoon for about 30 minutes. The fan was running on high during the entire encode. The noise profile of the T430s seems to be a bit quieter than my T420 in the same usage scenario, and the bottom of the notebook and the plastic around the vents is quite a bit cooler than the T420 after running a similar encoding task.
     
  20. WWhite

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    I'm curious: Do you see the screen door effect on the T420?

    I did see it on the T420S in shops and it was a big turn off for me. My T400S has poor viewing angles but at least it looks clean without any screen door effect. I can live with poor contrast but I won't take screen door effect.
     
  21. s1148625

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    My T420 does not exhibit the screen door effect, either. I believe the problem was mostly seen in the T420s models.
     
  22. WWhite

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    That could be it. So far I've seen two T420s, one a colleage got and another one in a shop and it was really bad in both cases.

    If the T430S doesn't suffer from it then I guess I can finally replace my T400s.
     
  23. Rezabrya

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    So I got some answers, but need a few more.

    Does Lenovo have sales for the 4th of July?
    Where is the best place to buy an Ultrabay battery?
    Can anyone tell me about Thunderbolt Egpus?
    Should I go for i7 and thunderbolt and wait for an egpu or just get the i5 and NVS5200m?
    any really big difference between Win7 home premium and professional?
     
  24. Ole man

    Ole man Notebook Evangelist

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    If you're going to sacrifice your thunderbolt port to an eGPU, then it really cancels that port out of this equation. Is the NVS 5200m not strong enough for you, or are you worried about the i5 vs i7? Honestly, the i7 is pretty much an extra 1MB of L3 cache and a higher clockspeed. Completely not worth $190 imo. You could overclock the i5 and probably get pretty similar performance.

    Now, if you want an eGPU that's much better than the NVS 5200m, then you should definitely think about the i7.
     
  25. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    I ran the free version of 3DMark06 this afternoon. This is for the Core-i7 with the Intel HD Graphics 4000. I'm not sure how accurate this test is, as the software doesn't yet recognize the HD Graphics 4000 card, and it isn't running an approved driver version, so the usefulness of these scores may be very limited. I'm not really a gamer, so I won't even try to interpret these scores, but for those who are curious, here they are.


    3DMark Score 6557 3DMarks
    SM2.0 Score 2129
    HDR/SM3.0 Score 2794
    CPU Score 4178
    Game Score N/A
    GT1 - Return To Proxycon 17.12 FPS
    GT2 - Firefly Forest 18.36 FPS
    CPU1 - Red Valley 1.34 FPS
    CPU2 - Red Valley 2.08 FPS
    HDR1 - Canyon Flight 24.02 FPS
    HDR2 - Deep Freeze 31.85 FPS
    Fill Rate - Single-Texturing N/A
    Fill Rate - Multi-Texturing N/A
    Pixel Shader N/A
    Vertex Shader - Simple N/A
    Vertex Shader - Complex N/A
    Shader Particles (SM3.0) N/A
    Perlin Noise (SM3.0) N/A
    8 Triangles N/A
    32 Triangles N/A
    128 Triangles N/A
    512 Triangles N/A
    2048 Triangles N/A
    32768 Triangles N/A



    Default settings used No (I didn't change any settings, so I'm not sure why this reports "No.")
    Width 1280
    Height 800
    Anti-Aliasing None
    Texture Filtering Optimal
    VS Profile 3_0
    PS Profile 3_0
    Force Full Precision No
    Disable HW Shadow Mapping No
    Disable Post-processing No
    Force Software Vertex Shader No
    Color Mipmaps No
    Force Software FP Filtering No
    Repeat Tests Off
    Fixed Framerate Off
     
  26. WWhite

    WWhite Notebook Enthusiast

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    s1148625, can you please run HWInfo and tell us the model number of the display? (e.g. LENxxx or whatever)?
     
  27. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    LEN40A1. Incidentally, this is the same display as is present in my T420, which explains why they look so very similar.
     
  28. Kaso

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    If dynamic disks, encrypted file system, location-aware printing, presentation mode, group policy, offline file/folder redirection, Windows Server domain joining, Windows XP Mode... do not sound immediately meaningful, relevant and urgent, then most likely Windows 7 Home Premium is adequate in serving you.

    If, later, you know for certain that only Windows 7 Professional can support a particular application, you can purchase an "anytime upgrade" license and have your OS morph itself into a bigger self, in place, in a few minutes.

    Windows 7 Home Premium does not run slower; it just does not contain those features that Microsoft deems appropriate in a "corporate" environment.
     
  29. WWhite

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    Thanks!

    My T400 also has a LEN Display. So it seems the AU Optronics B140RW02 used on the T420s was the Problem.

    I'm pretty relieved that the T430s Screen doesn't suffer from the Screen door effect.

    I feel more confident about the t430s now. If only I hadn't played around with the New MBP today. But i guess the t430s makes more sense Because the MBP has too Many drawbacks as a business tool.
     
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    You cannot win everything. You got a free HDD upgrade to 500GB 7200rpm, right?
     
  32. s1148625

    s1148625 Notebook Geek

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    3DMark 11 on Core-i7 T430s with Intel HD 4000:

    3DMark Score P721
    Graphics Score 616
    Physics Score 4321
    Combined Score 745
    Graphics Test 1 3.74 FPS
    Graphics Test 2 3.73 FPS
    Graphics Test 3 3.92 FPS
    Graphics Test 4 1.42 FPS
    Physics Test 13.72 FPS
    Combined Test 3.47 FPS



    Default settings used Yes
    Edition Basic
    Screen Width 1280
    Screen Height 720
    Msaa Sample Count 1
    Texture Filtering Mode Trilinear
    Max Af Anisotropy 1
    Tessellation Detail 5
    Max Tessellation Factor 10
    ShadowMapSize 5
    Shadow Cascade Count 4
    Surface Shadow Sample Count 16
    Volumetric Illumination Quality 5
    Ambient Occlusion Quality 5
    Depth Of Field Quality 5
    Enable Window Mode Off
    Enable Vertical Sync Off
    Enable Triple Buffering Off
    Enable Wireframe Off
    Color Saturation 100%
     
  33. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    500GB HDDs don't resell for much and I wasn't planning to keep the HDD anyway, since I have an Intel SSD I want to install onto this machine.
     
  34. pchome

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    Not true, I sold mine for $80 after shipping cost a month ago. Also, keep it in case you needed an extra storage. Anyway, I would say do not have remorse, you got a good deal especially that everyone is gonna get remorse on July 4th
     
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    According to this thread (expand the "ThinkPad T420 HD+ (1600x900) Resolution Panels" section) that Lenovo ID (LEN40A1) applies to any and all panels. What we'd need to see is the FRU.

    Could you post the FRU? I really am curious to know which panel they are using.
     
  36. s1148625

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    Well, thanks for the info. It's a bit disappointing as apparently the AUO version was the least-desirable of the 3 potential panel options on the T420s (Samsung, LG, AUO).

    According to this thread Lenovo might be standardizing on the AUO and discontinuing the Samsung and LG.

    I've got my T430s waiting for me at my folks'... going to go pick it up tonight and see the screen for myself. It's been a big concern of mine coming from a T410s, which apparently had a better quality panel than some of the newer ones.

    Thanks again for all your help; I think you've been able to help a lot of us out by answering questions while we patiently await our own respective delivery dates!
     
  38. s1148625

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    I'm interested in your impressions of the screen. I have dual 27" HP IPS screens at work, and looking at the screen straight on, there's not an appreciable difference in the screen quality, IMO. Move off to the sides and you can see the difference, but overall, it's a serviceable screen. I'm interested to know if others find the screen unacceptable.
     
  39. Kaso

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    This is a valid observation: the T410s 1440x900 screen is quite good.

    Do let us know how you feel about your T430s screen after looking at it this evening.
     
  40. xxhanxx

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    I was on the other forums and some people claim that a dGPU will lower battery life? is that true?

    anyone have any data on battery life w/ 3cell bay battery and dGPU? battery life was one of my concerns when selecting a laptop.
     
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    So initial impressions coming from the T410s screen is that there is definitely a noticeable screen door effect on this panel.

    It's the kind of thing that I'm sure over time I'd get used to, but it was something that was immediately noticeable coming from the T410s. I could see that if someone had been using the T420 or T420s and had a similar panel as this it may not be a big deal.
     
  42. WWhite

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    Nooooooo. :mad:

    Well that's it, I'll get a MBP.
     
  43. Kaso

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    T420/430(s) screens: Lenovo sucks. :mad:
     
  44. pchome

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    I am not sure why one would just get a good ThinkPad and go be productive and happy and never be back to the forum :D

    Seems like this is not happening soon and Lenovo likes to keep us 'dissatisfied'
     
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    Urggg... That's terrible news. Could you post a side-by-side comparison photo of the two screen please?
     
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    I'm coming from a Macbook Air -- which IMO has one of the best notebook displays on the market. I will do a side by side comparison when my T430s arrives.

    I'm really hoping its not an issue because the T430s is a great laptop -- esp for the price.
     
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    The next great mod: X1 Carbon screen into the T430s. :D
     
  48. vindicator83

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    I want the X1 carbon. I might sell T430s when it comes out to buy it :p
     
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    I thought that buddy above who made the vids said that there was no screen door effect
     
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    I don't see it on my T420, and I don't see it on the T430s, but it's entirely possible that I've been using the screens for so long that I just don't notice it anymore. I have seen the screen door effect on other notebooks.
     
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