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    T520 NVS 4200M vs w520 Quadro 1000m Which better with games?

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by joer80, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. joer80

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    Comparing the two gpus, which would be better at games, and by how much?

    Thanks!
     
    joer80, Mar 30, 2011
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    Quadro 1000 is 30% more powerful at least than NVS 4200M I am pretty sure but there is no benchmarks, but nvs4200 is 4000-5000 in 3dmark 06 and quadro 1000 should be 6000-7000 based on what chips they are based on.
     
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  5. Mech0z

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    Hmm a GT 520M scores 5668 and if you read
    It might get higher? Then its not certain that a Quadro 1000 is faster in games :/

    It does have double pipelines and memory bandwidth and total memory. I will wait for benchmarks :/ (Whats taking so long :S )
     
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  6. RyanHurtt

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    The Quadro 1000 will be a fair amount faster. The most important part will be the doubling of the memory bandwidth.
     
    RyanHurtt, Mar 30, 2011
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    I don't know about the Quadro cards, but the 425m and 520m are based on the same chip, with the latter clocked higher.
    They may have added some obscure hardware change to the 520m, but clocked at the same speed they're similar in performance.
     
    sprtnbsblplya, Mar 30, 2011
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  9. RyanHurtt

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    It is really hard to compare 3DMark06 scores because it takes in to account CPU scores, also the only benchmark regarding the GT 520M neglects to mention which resolution it is run at.

    If you look at the 3DMark11 scores of the two cards the GT 425M scores 750ish to the GT 520M's 500ish.

    Note that the GT 425M's average score is a lot higher due to a score that three times higher than the other 2 scores reported on the card so I just threw that one out.
     
    RyanHurtt, Mar 30, 2011
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    I'm not sure 3dMark11 is such a great comparison either. The HD Graphics 3000 actually outperforms both the 425M and the GT 520M on that benchmark:
    Result
     
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  11. RyanHurtt

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    I did some searching on the 3dMark site to find two runs of 3dMark06 with the same resolutions between the two cards:

    http://3dmark.com/compare/3dm06/15131012/3dm06/15575241

    Forget about the 3dMark score and scroll down to compare to average FPS of the graphics run. The GT 425M is 50% faster than the GT 520M in every benchmark. The GT 425M is a mid-range card while the GT 520M is an entry level card.
     
    RyanHurtt, Mar 30, 2011
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  12. ElliotFladen

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    Are we sure that the card is NVIDIA NVS 4200M? When I called up Lenovo tech support, Trevor gave specs that indicated it was a better card (in spite of the spec sheet).
     
    ElliotFladen, Mar 30, 2011
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    NVS 4200M should be slightly more powerful than the 520M. While both the Quadro 1000M and GT 425M are significantly more powerful (I'd say a solid 50%)
     
    Aikimox, Mar 30, 2011
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    No chance for us to play crysis 2 at a respectable fps (of course not with graphics all cranked up) on a 2nd gen thinkpad then?
     
    Injek, Mar 31, 2011
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    Lenovo hates video games
     
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    I do remember that with the T61p, the gpu was a really capable one !

    I just want to do some casual gaming anyway ( but still want to try that crysis 2!! ) I'll look forward to benchmarks and reviews before pulling the trigger on a new thinkpad.
     
    Injek, Mar 31, 2011
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    I am still waiting for someone with a sandy bridge laptop to try a DIY vidock :/
     
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    A friend of mine has the PE4L adapter, I have a GTX 460, and I have a T420s on the way, so I would be happy to try it out.
     
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    Sounds nice, whats the ETA on the machine
     
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    The 425M is GF108 (96SP, 560/1120MHz, 800MHz 128-bit) and the 520M is GF119 (48SP, 740/1480MHz, 800MHz 64-bit).

    To be blunt, the 520M sucks compared to almost the entire 400M series. Even the 420M has more compute power and twice the memory bandwidth.

    The Quadro NVS 4200M might do slightly better than the 520M because of higher clocks, but it is severely bandwidth-limited already and the higher core clocks do nothing to improve the situation.
     
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    The estimated ship date is Apr. 8th and I have the faster (3-day) shipping. So maybe around Apr 13th, hopefully sooner. Of course there's always the chance of delays with a new model.

    I'm planning on doing an un-boxing/mini-review video first, including a comparison with my T400. I'm particularly interested in the display quality and size/weight.

    The good news is that since I'm upgrading from the T400's LED 1440x900 screen (which is regarded as one of the worst displays in modern laptop history in terms of color quality and black level) it's unlikely that the T420s will be worse. The Sandy Bridge EliteBook I had a chance to look at (which also had a 14" 1600x900 matte screen) was much better, so I'm cautiously optimistic. But you never know, Lenovo seems to have a knack for finding crappy LCDs.
     
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    Anyone have more recent experience benchmarking the 4200M?
     
    RoundSparrow, Jul 6, 2011
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    I dont expected NVS 4200m could outperform Intel HD 3000 too much.
    However, I do know that Quadro 2000M could play crysis 2 with high sitting. and SC2 with ultra setting.
    Since Quadro 2000M and Quadro 1000M only have slightly difference in the pipeline, I suppose you should got the Quadro 1000M
     
    drlemon, Jul 6, 2011
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    Honestly, if gaming performance is a factor in your decision I would just spring for the w520 with a 2000M and be done with it. The 2000M has given me very acceptable game performance in the few games I have run (fallout 3, mass effect 2, team fortress 2).
     
    mrpeaches, Jul 6, 2011
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    TF2 runs fine on my 770M, which is faster than the 4200M but slower than the 1000M
     
    edit1754, Jul 6, 2011
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    My 1000M gets around 9240 in 3DMark06, and my Intel HD 3000 gets around 3750, if that means anything to you guys. It is fine for my gaming needs, and is definitely faster than the NVS 4200M. The Quadro 1000M is clocked slightly higher than the GT 540M (all hardware specs are the same), so it should be slightly better at gaming than the GT 540M.
     
    kirayamato26, Jul 6, 2011
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