T61 vs. Compal IFL-90 vs. Asus G1s(or A8Js)

ok and this could represent a mere 10% of the total notebook sales in China!
moreover, I'm pretty sure that almost 60% were in US right ?

I'm sorry for all the mess I made dude. I will stop here. Go T61 !

P.S. just a final thought: is there any other notebook famous for it's build quality, besides Lenovo ?

 

1996 - Legend Group, Ltd. (now Lenovo) gains majority of Chinese market share
2004 - IBM business lines have 43.6% of Chinese computer market share. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-09/24/content_377504.htm
2005 - Lenovo buys IBM pc division.

1st quarter 2007 sales:
Greater China: 38%
Americas: 28%
Europe, Middle East and Africa: 21%
Asia Pacific: 13%
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,132170/article.html

Lenovo and Thinkpads may not be the most popular brands in the world, people DO buy them - not that that's always an indication of quality. Unlike Dell, which draws people due to its marketing, popularity of brand, and comparative low price, Thinkpads are expensive, Lenovo isn't a well-known name, and it doesn't seem particularly good at marketing here in the U.S. - personally, I'd say that the # of Lenovo buyers is a better indication of quality than the sheer # of sales Dell or HP gets.

Panasonic Toughbook is...tough.
HP business lines are supposedly just as good - i haven't used one of those for long enough to form a comparison though.
Asus V1 isn't quite as tough, but it's still amazing

 

I agree. No one's gonna take away my right to believe in facts.

Anyhow, looks like I've tagged taelrak and he's jumped back in the ring.

 

LOL. This is funny. First you say:

"Europe, Asia, South America and Africa don't buy Lenovo at all! They're junks there."

This implies that the US is full of idiots who don't know what quality laptops are. THEN you say:

"Dell has Asus built barebones, for example, and Dell, again is one of the most desired in US!"

THIS implies that Dell is good and Americans know quality because they buy DELLS! Does this not contradict your stance that americans buy Lenovo because they don't know what quality is?

YOU'RE A JOKE AND THE DEFINITION OF A FANBOY.

 

I said I'm done with this so let it that way! I said what europeans think about Lenovo (not me) and what americans think about Dell (not me). And please keep your compliments for yourself and your family members! thanks

 

Oh my God!! I just saw the V1 !! it IS really impressive.. didn't know about it's existence until you told me! thanks

 

Ya no thanks dude.

 

Dude, you need some serious wakeup call. Dell Inspirons are pretty much considered junk here in the U.S. People don't buy Dell Inspirons because they are desirable, people buy them because they are cheap. And after they break down, and the Dell Inspirons do break down really often, people can just toss the old junk and buy a new piece of junk really cheap.

If Asus really does make the barebones for Dell Inspirons... this doesn't exactly inspire confidence in Asus' build quality.

 

wow !! you must be kidding right? Dell = junk in US? well, it's only your opinion, and I must admit a new one! Dell, by the way, won for several years, categories like, best battery, best stability, best reliability, best screen, best overall quality and so on so forth! Asus have only few models which are finished by Dell and I'm pretty sure that aren't the Inspirons.
Geez, only if Dell users could see what you just posted here!

 

Well, if you really think Dell is the king, I don't know what to say anymore.

 

Jaymz... I've used several dells in my life and yes I can't argue they aren't terrible pieces of crap, but they are by no means wonders of modern engineering either. Perhaps the expensive top level models are better but Dells are "getting the job done" machines. They do what they are supposed to, nothing particularly amazing about them in terms of quality or substance, but furrycute is right, they are cheap and that is their draw, they have a combination of super cheap and acceptable quality. If presented with a choice and enough money, after my previous experiences I would definately avoid dell.

 

Papaslides, I'm beginning to believe that you too, have no idea about the XPS class or about the Alienware machines! They both are "wonders of modern engineering" not matched by any other computer in the world today! They also have all the high qualities I already mentioned earlier. And if you forgot, in 2002 US consumers voted dell as their "No1 computer systems provider". Is this a cheap lie or a fake baloon too? hmm..

 

Dell = popular in the U.S. Popularity is no indication of quality, and in fact, by the time a company gets to be Dell's size, popularity is often indicative of just the opposite.

In the consumer laptop department, the Inspirons truly are "junk" in the sense that compared to most systems that are constantly recommended in these forums, they simply can't compete for quality or specs. The standards in a forum dedicated to notebooks, however, are inherently higher than those of the mainstream market.

Dell is popular in the U.S. for many of the same reasons that Microsoft Windows is popular as an OS. It's not necessarily better, and arguably worse than alternatives. It's simply become a staple of the market. Dell is also exceedingly cheap for the most part. Neither of these factors indicate quality however.

Your average notebook buyer is computer illiterate--it's sad but true. A typical consumer will walk into Best Buy, ask the attendant for his opinion, and pick the one that seems to be the cheapest - that would more often than not be a Dell. He certainly wouldn't have heard of Asus or Compal.

Or, he might check out some of the more famous review sites, like CNET (another wonderful example where size doesn't equal quality). Heavily dominated by ad revenue and interests, although CNET's reviewing standards are never consistent, they do tend to show a trend in favor of bigger companies even if they have to make up facts in their reviews to support those ratings. You might inquire into the direct relationship between those "best" awards and ratings that you mentioned and the amount of advertising a company does with each review site, and then try to convince yourself that such a proportional relationship is an accident

So if you're talking about consumer voted products - I'm sorry to say that the majority of consumers are ignorant and have no or limited means of comparison. Isn't that why you're in a notebook forum in the first place? To tap into the opinions and knowledge of a minority of people who are slightly better informed?

Popularity indicates a strong marketing department more than actual quality. I don't believe anyone who has actually had the chance to compare laptops from a variety of manufacturers will say that the Inspiron line can compete in terms of quality at all (unless it's against Acer or something).

As for Dell's other lines, the Latitudes, the XPS lines don't suffer the poor quality of the Inspiron lines as much. However, you also have to realize that in terms of sales %, it's the probably Inspiron line that gets the most sales for Dell in the consumer, non-business market than any of those other lines (no evidence to back this up, too lazy to look it up, but it's most likely true).

As for Alienware, you might note that there are two extreme opinions about Alienware: 1. They rock. 2. They suck. If you dig a little deeper into the timelines of those opinions, you'll find that the opinion where Alienware "sucks" appeared rather dramatically only after their acquisition by Dell. Interpret that however you like.

 

Jaymz man read what I actually wrote... I'm trying to tell you I know very little about their top line... i.e. the XPS', and I also didn't say a single word about Alienware, I'm beginning to wonder if you are actually listening to us or just arguing with the first few words of each new post.

And my point isn't that Dell hasn't won any awards, or anything like that, I'm talking about hard personal experience. I don't give a you know what how many awards a computer wins, or how many people buy them (the latter being worthless in terms of determining quality). My point is that MY opinion and MY experiences with Dell leads me to believe that their "affordable" machines are exactly that, affordable. If you spend 2k on a high level Dell then like any other company you will be getting much better quality, I've never used one so I can't say whether they are great or bad, I can say the cheaper ones don't (in MY experiences).

The modern marketplace does not respond to our demands or our wishes, and winning an award does not always mean it is the best. and getting voted No.1 in 2002 (5 years ago btw) by "consumers" (which as we've discussed is a terrible source of information, based on the fact that many people buy dells because they are either in their price range or because of the massive advertising campaigns it is the only affordable option they are even aware of) doesn't necessarily say a whole lot. It helps to look at things objectively and filter through the bunk that may not actually have any substance, again I'm not putting you down, I'm not trying to say your opinions aren't valid, I'm just saying your argument needs some revamping (IMHO).

Sorry, if you like Dells that's awesome more power to ya, myself and many of the other people on this thread just don't, in fact this thread has NOTHING to do with Dell (as if you read the original subject no Dell Machines are mentioned). This thread is about deciding between a Lenovo, Compal or Asus (and recently I as the creator of this thread brought up the MBP refresh) but Dell is and never has (especially after the last dell I owned) been in the running for this discussion... sorry

p.s. Taelrak... you're right, good post .

p.p.s. yes Alienware does kick some butt if that's what your into, a flashy, expensive, high performance gaming machine. I have many friends with alienware computers and they LOVE them, I think they are cool too, I'd never own one, but they are awesome. (though I don't know anything about newer Alienware computers after this whole dell thing)

 

Excellent sumarry! I applaud and respect this passage you just wrote here!
Anyway, I don't know why so many on this thread accused me of saying that either Dell or Asus are the kings.. no way! they aren't kings at all. I just want to understand what's inside a Lenovo user mind.. why is Lenovo so overrated? and who would be at least a mere competitor in build quality ? Papaslides, can you elaborate on this subject please?

P.S. You should really lose the A8Js in the subject! It's a power monster but it's a mediocre quality model.

 

i thought the dell XPS line were usually rebranded inspiron (i know the older xps 14" was just a 1405)
you just got better support

 

I'm confused. If that last post in this thread was 6/7 how did it get up here on the first page?

 

Don't be, it's simple. Someone voted in the poll that's the reason.