ThinkPad E485 - (Underrated gem!)

Hello Everyone!

I would like to share my experience with this machine in hopes that it might help those of you who are considering this laptop but not sure about its pro's and con's.



Specs (including aftermarket upgrades):

CPU/GPU: AMD Ryzen 2700u Vega 10
RAM: 32 GB, (2x16GB HyperX @3200Mhz CL 20, alas, running at reduced clocks @2400Mhz CL15, BIOS limitation)
Storage: NVMe SSD - Corsair Force MP510 - 480GB; additional 2.5" storage bay available!
Screen: FHD AG - Upgraded to 100% sRGB, 300+nit, 1:700 contrast, matte IPS FHD panel!


I purchased my machine with stock RAM and storage for 600$ during the ThinksGiving deal. As you can see, it's very cheap for a ThinkPad. So, what's the catch? Is AMD Ryzen's performance so underwhelming compared to its Intel counterparts? Let's find out!

3DMark06

3DMark11

Cinebench

3DMark - FireStrike


As you can see these are some pretty interesting numbers. But it gets way more interesting. Looking at the temps, fan speeds and clocks I noticed a few striking things:

The CPU package never gets enough juice to perform at its maximum potential. It's limited at ~11W burst TDP, while according to AMD, it should be able to run @15W sustained and 25W burst TDP. Which means its being crippled by the BIOS to run at half its possible performance.
Correction! Upon additional testing it's been confirmed that the APU is set to run @22W sustained, with burst TDP of 25W. This is still below the capability of this chip, as the competition (i7-8650u) is able to burst all the way to 50W!

Not surprisingly, same thing is affecting the iGPU. It's never able to reach its maximum clocks of 1300Mhz, peaking at 1050Mhz during all my tests.
Temperature throttling? Not a chance! Temps never even reach 80C in this machine. This is considered ice-cold for a notebook CPU that can heat up to 90-100c before any real throttling kicks in. The fan doesn't seem to be stressed much either. The 2-piped heatsink is more than adequate to dissipate 25-35W. So why would Lenovo lock it down?

After some more digging I found out that it's not just Lenovo. Other vendors are doing the exact same thing! But not without exceptions. There's a couple of HP's with 2500u that run at higher TDP and show amazing CPU scores!

Whether it's for political or some other reason, I don't know and could care less. But I do care to unlock the maximum performance of this machine.

So, even with its crippled performance, the E485 show great CPU/GPU scores, with GPU twice as powerful as the Intel chip.

As for general build quality and features, please refer to this review, which I agree with for the most part.

I will add to this having 2 storage bays (1 full size NVMe + 2.5" bay) is not too shabby for a slim 14" notebook. As of today, you can slap 6TB of storage capacity into this machine (2TB NVMe SSD + 4TB 2.5" SSD).

To be continued...

 

Here's the clocks/temps info after running all the benches:

 

So, just out of curiosity, I ran Cinebench R15 when on battery - and look at those numbers!!



That's a desktop i7-3770 CPU level of performance at 7-8W power draw!

 

Ok, I've switched to the dark side for the time being and moved to Linux on this machine.

Just wanted to let you guys know that in order to be able to boot and install Linux on Ryzen Lenovo's ( Lenovo, please fix your BIOS parameters!), you have to use the following flag at boot:
ivrs_ioapic[32]=00:14.0
All you do is hit 'e' at the boot menu and add this line to the boot parameters. You will also need to add this to your grub to make the change permanent after the installation by editing the /etc/default/grub file and then running update-grub. The parameter isn't my finding, all credit goes to Evilazrael.

I've tried Ubuntu 18.04, 18.10, Mint, Fedora 29 - all loading and installing without any problem. Currently using Parrot (I'm a security analyst, so that's my go to daily driver). It took way more tinkering to get it running on this laptop, so if anyone wants to try Kali/Parrot on their Lenovo's sporting Ryzen chips - let me know and I'll post a detailed guide.

Linux performance is just as amazing! Idle power draw is around 9-10 watt during light browsing. It's a bit higher than in Windows and does affect the battery life. But you can expect a good 4.5hrs of surfing in Linux and 5.5 hours in Windows. Still pretty good in my opinion as I rarely get stuck in places with no power.

 

A quick update after staying on Linux for 4 days.

Everything seems pretty stable. No WiFi issues. Bluetooth is working fine! BTW, Parrot OS 4.4 detected and installed BT drivers automatically (unlike Ubuntu and Mint). Temps are really low (45C at room temp of 25C), fan is inaudible unless running benches or playing games. I'm still trying to figure out how to reduce the battery drain rate, maybe should experiment with PowerTop or tlp. Next step - upgrading the screen! I really need a wide gamut 14" panel that could fit this machine. If anyone knows model numbers I could look for - please let me know!

 

Update!

I've just upgraded the screen on this beast to a N140HCE-EN1 rev. C1. It's a great panel and nearly a drop in replacement (just use the two bottom screws and ignore the top ones, the bezel will hold it nicely).

The difference is night and day, but I can't take a good picture to show you the colors, have no decent camera lol

100% sRGB
300nit brightness
700:1 contrast
Very good response

You can get it from ebay for about 50$, but I paid Amazon a nice extra bonus to get it delivered faster. No regrets so far.

On a much more exciting side, I've learned that it's possible to fully unlock TDP on this machine through linux! Still going over the process as it's not very easy, especially when running a non-standard non-Ubuntu based distro. I will be back with more good news! Stay tuned...

 

Here's the best I could do with my cellphone's camera. This is at 10% screen brightness in a brightly lit office, lol, anything higher and the image is too bright for the camera. I think this panel hits around 400nit in reality.

 

Major Update!
Big News!
It is possible to unlock the TPD on this machine both in linux and windows!

Here are two vids showing the results and some steps:
All credit goes to Arvo and his bois on discord!
Windows -
Linux -

It's been reported that someone has already achieved a score of 740 in Cinebench R15 CPU Multi! That's a true full TDP quad core level of performance in a 28-35W package. I'm still trying to free up some time to make the changes, but my schedule is pretty tight at the moment. Wanna repaste first, then run benchmarks. Gaming, futuremark, 3dmark scores are coming soon! It's getting so interesting now. Wonder what excuse will vendors produce and how they are going to 'tackle' the situation? An underdog 500$ laptop is doing some serious butt-kicking both in the CPU and iGP sector. I'm expecting some MX150 and higher scores there.

 

That's just amazing!

This machine is simply rocking it! Will see if I can figure out how to do this in Linux (trying to stay away from Windows as much as I can, lol)

Never lose Faith, Brothers and never lose Hope!

 

How are your temps with the TDP limits removed?

 

Haven't removed mine yet, but at stock clocks and paste it never reaches 80C under full load.
The guy in those youtube vids uses an Acer with nearly identical cooling and his machine stabilizes at 90C in Furmark @35W, which is amazing at stock paste.

 

Thanks for the review, Kuro! I am buying a new laptop for the first time in almost five years and I have been eyeballing the E585. I am just looking for something with a FHD screen, good build quality, and good thermal and noise performance for ~$550. I considered stretching my budget to around $600 for something with an MX150 but that is really more than I need in terms of graphics power and the laptops at that price range with the MX150 aren't usually the most well-built machines.

I have been scouring the internet for opinions on the E585 and they have been few and far between but this performance information on the E485 has helped me pull the trigger on a 2700U-equipped E585. I should have it tomorrow and I am excited to see the performance! I will definitely be posting my experiences here for potential buyers to have more information.

 

Awesome! Make sure to post your feedback. Hope you like it! E585 should be very similar to E485 both in performance and build quality. The stock screen is mediocre but easily ugradable. Lots of storage and memory capacity. If you feel like you need to squeeze more power out of the CPU/GPU - doable both in windows and linux. I've switched over to linux entirely and haven't had any issues in almost a month now. Really happy with the machine so far. The keyboard is simply divine.

 

So I have not had much of a chance to play around with it but I have to say I am pretty happy thus far. The keyboard is indeed the excellent Thinkpad quality one would expect. I have only used a couple of notebooks extensively in recent years, my old Pavilion G4 and a coworkers Swift 3, and it blows those two out of the water. The keyboard on the Swift is one of the main reasons I wanted to stay away from Acer. I have worked on that laptop extensively and I could not get used to the keyboard no matter what. I never measured but it just seemed stupid small. This one feels more like a full-sized keyboard. I also thoroughly enjoy "clackiness" of this one. The keyboard on the Swift had very "smushey" feel to it. I think the key travel is probably about the same but the mechanical-like feel on the Thinkpad is great to have.

The build quality, while I would rate it slightly below the Swift 3 overall, is still above average. I played around with some Aspires, Inspirons, and HP laptops at Best Buy before purchasing this and this is way better than those. It feels like just a step below a premium notebook. I would compare it to the current-generation Pavilions that I saw at Best Buy. The hinges could be a little stronger but I prefer these to the way too powerful hinges on the Swift.

The E585 is also a bit thicker than the Swift 3 but I prefer that. I do not really like the "ultrabook" like most laptops are moving towards. It is good on smaller form factors notebooks but in a 15-17" laptop, I want it to look a little bigger. I would buy a <14" laptop if I wanted a small laptop. I also feel like the thicker case will help with cooling, though I hope to be able to confirm that with tests tomorrow.

All in all, I am very satisfied with my purchase thus far. I bought this refurbished with a 2700U and 256GB NVME for $550 and I got pretty lucky with the warranty, it looks like whoever returned it bought this in January so the warranty still has a full year left. The single-channel RAM might be a problem but I am just going to drop another 8GB in there. As soon as I get that other stick and have some free time, I do plan to post a pretty extensive review. Thanks again, Kuro!

 

Welcome to the club! Glad you like it! As for build quality, are there any issues, gaps, other imperfections? I mean, it's not a rubberized carbon finish, not a brushed aluminium, but a high quality plastic instead, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Normally, I'm very picky when it comes to laptops, having owned HP Elitebooks, Dell Precisions and Alienware machines in the past. My E485 feels surprisingly solid for a plastic box. No creaking, no giving, no bending. Not sure I'd choose a X1 finish instead, even if it was offered as a free alternative. One big pro for me is that the finish isn't a fingerprint magnet! This is big, after a month of aggresive use, no greasy smudges anywhere, while my AW 13 with its rubberized surface requires wiping every 1-2 weeks.

Furthermore, I can press on the palmrest and keyboard as hard as I'm able and it doesn't budge at all. The absence of metal hinges is a relief for me. This setup will definitely last and won't loose its lid integrity. Thickness isn't terrible at all, 2cm for a 14" laptop is totally adequate. Wait till you upgrade yours to 32/64 GB RAM and add a second SSD!

 

No imperfections in the build quality and it is definitely high-quality plastic. I can't find much, if any, flex throughout the whole chassis. It just doesn't feel quite as strong as the Swift 3 I have worked on recently.

 

Update!

I've decided to delve deeper into benching to see how far this machine can be pushed. Had to grab another ssd and throw Windows 10 on it temporarily putting aside my hate for microsoft lol

So let's have at it. First things first, I've just repasted the APU with whatever 3rd grade paste I had kicking around. Lenovo did a terrible job with stock paste! No wonder the chip reached 79C in benches. It was a messy job whoever or whatever applied the factory TIM. Took me a while to clean it up.

So, here's the first stock run, still not touching the TDP or clocks, everything is pristine out of the box:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33108567


GPU score = 3024!
Physics score=8414

Max CPU temp = 71C
Max GPU temp = 69C
Max power draw = 11.8W

So here you go, we now have a new reference point for stock clocks and TDP.

Next step - will unlock the TDP and see if we get a higher score.
Stay tuned for more...

 

I am very impressed with those temps. At stock settings, my E585 still went up to almost 80C.

 

I repasted, it used to be around 80C. Lenovo did a bad job applying their thermal interface material. So, if you feel comfortable, do repaste and you will drop 10C for sure. I used a 3 year old and previously opened GC Extreme. Pretty sure with Kryonaut it would drop another 4-5C easily.

But the goal is to have it operating at full TDP and max clocks both CPU and GPU. So far, the GPU is stuck at 1000Mhz out of 1300. Going to try the DSDT method now...

 

Increased the TDP up to 25W, but not according to HWinfo64 (still not sure if those values are correct though)

 

My temps were around 85C before repasting with GC Extreme. How is your fan noise? It is possible the E485 has a more aggressive fan due to the smaller chassis. I have to strain to hear the fan on the E585, even under full load.

 

I don't hear the fan normally at all.

Just realized what happened. The screenshot you see is @45W lol but didn't modify the current to match so it was hitting 85c but still not giving much performance. I should be hitting 720-750pts in Cinebench with it. Will do more testing today. At stock clocks @25W the system doesn't ever break 75C.

 

Another Update!

Just did a quick run at ~35W (unoptimized but increased current to actually make use of the unlocked TDP)

Cinebench15:
OpenGL - 48!
CPU - 709!
Max Temp 85C (room ~22C)

Will upload pics later tonight, my office blocks file uploads here lol.

But look at those numbers!
For reference:
Intel i7-8650U the direct competitor (and a much more expensive CPU) only achieves about 620pts in this benchmark, or almost 20% slower. This is a great indication of the raw power of the Ryzen 2x00u chip.

 

i7-8650U


Or the cheaper and weaker i5-8250U

https://hwbot.org/submission/3946734_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i5_8250u_749_cb

 

Now show the TDP, voltage and clock graphs during the entire run, so that we know the level of tweaking. I compare my numbers to the average stock result, say from notebookcheck, not the OC benchers' scores. For now, I'm not doing any overclock, just trying to unlock the default TDP as per AMD reference design. Nothing extra.
Cuz our CPU never breaks 15W while notebookcheck reports up to 40-45W draw on that 8650u.
Also, I've only just started tweaking and so far was able to go from the average of 550pts to 709pts. Wait till we get control of the voltages and start undervolting.
Will upload some more tonight. Just so you know, some of the i7-2700u owners have already broken 800pts.
What about iGP? Can your 8650u match my 3024pts in FireStrike GPU? Just teasing. I'm more interested to bench against a stock Nvidia MX150.

 

Not mine. I only benched it. But if I remember correct it was around 30 or 33W.

 

You would need to provide more detail other than post hwbot scores. If I just post this you won't know anything about how it was achieved:



And I haven't even started benching yet. Wanna bet how high it will get?

 

Still trying to figure out how to control the voltage in this machine. There's a discord server dedicated to this project with a couple of real gurus working non-stop to unlock the beast!

Discord Server: Ryzen Shine

For now, 100% stable, no overheating:

 

Ok, according to notebookcheck - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-8650U-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.242726.0.html
out of all 16 systems with i7-8650U not a single one above 700 in Cinebench15 and the average is only 618pts which is 20% below my score. And all I did, was add a few Watt to the TDP so that the GPU could reach its designed max frequency of 1300mhz on the core, instead of 1000mhz it was previously stuck at. That immediately resulted in 15-20% performance gain in games. I'm gonna run GPU benchmarks tonight and see if that MX150 can be beaten.

@Papusan, as for the 867pts you referenced, it's the world record [ overclocked/undervolted] result achieved by a Russian bencher. Luckily, he posted his XTU settings, so we can see that his CPU was running at 45W (maybe higher), undervolted, and completely choked the iGP to divert all package power to the CPU. Not to mention his usual tweaks of restricting the OS processes, setting real-time priority to Cinebench, etc,. This is NOT a real life score and can't be used as a baseline to judge the performance level of the CPU. Notebookcheck, on the other hand doesn't do any tweaks, simply running the benches as is, which shows the real performance levels. I do the same thing, while running all my programs in the background, not touching the task manager and can reproduce my score (720-735) 10/10 times. Still looking for a way to undervolt this CPU, this would possibly allow me to run it @45W stable without overheating, so we can start benching and comparing apples to apples even in the extreme case. Stay tuned...

 

Major Update!

Voltage control! - digging deeper into Ryzenadj (the program used to change the TDP and temp thresholds), we have discovered multiple voltage flags. One for the CPU/GPU, another one for RAM and I/O Controllers. We can now effectively undervolt the APU!
I was able to achieve sub 60C temps under full load @22-25W last night!
That's not all, we can now drop CPU frequency below its lowest 1600mhz, all the way down to 400mhz stable! This immediately boosts the battery life from around 4-5 hours to 10-13 hours! Someone had already tested watching videos on battery for almost 10 hours straight!


Here's the how-to:



We have only just begun! Will update the first post with all the new info shortly.

 

Dang it's too bad you can't get this guy with a backlit keyboard and a bigger battery. I'd pick one up for sure.

 

You can - A485 and A585 have those + docking port + tunderbolt + thinkshutter!

 

Yeah I was looking into the A485 (I don't know if they have an A585). The sad part is the price is pretty high. I configured something and it was almost as much as I paid for my X1E, lol. Then again I got a good discount on my X1E.

 

My bad, there seems to be no A585 hehe. The A485 with a 2700u and backlit kb is around 800$ in Canada, or 200$ above my E485. If your X1E was around 1k - that's just crazy! Wish I had access to such discounts. BTW, how's your machine doing? Are you able to keep the temps low when benching/gaming with your mods?

 

Seems like your price on the A485 is better than what I was seeing, the one I was looking at was around $1000 but I didn't look for any discounts. The X1E is doing well. I have been using it at the hospital and it's been nice and quiet with all day battery life. I'm happy with where it is at cooling wise, I would love a few more *C drop, but that likely won't happen.

 

If they had an A585 it might be a contender. I used to love smaller machines but once I hit my 50s 15.6 is my go to. I would love a 15" thinkpad yoga but they haven't made one in a few generations now.

 

A teaser for now, this is still not even at full clocks lol:

 

That's a very impressive score. You're approaching high-end, 25W MX150 territory. I can't wait to get some free time to mess with my E585.

 

Not only that, we are still below the designed GPU core clock of 1300mhz! This result is at 1183mhz! Vendors did a "very good job" crippling the APU, it's just unbelievable! But the good news is we CAN and Will get it going at nominal frequencies AND keep it stable! This score was achieved at low 70C max temp. Also physics score in this test isn't the highest I've seen so far. It can break 10k!

Highest GPU FireStrike Score so far - 3371 - https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/33322778
Pretty close to the top MX130 range. Not done yet...

 

Update!

More testing has been done. More discoveries.

Out of the box the system runs hardcapped at 25W (not 11 or 15W as I initially suspected) - here's what you can expect out of it without any tweaks at all :



This is already decent but seriously handicapped as neither the CPU nor GPU can achieve maximum clocks. The CPU can barely reach 2.8-3.0Ghz on all cores while the GPU core gets 1000mhz out of 1300mhz.
That is a serious limitation due to restricted max TDP of 25W for the entire APU. For reference both Intel i7-8650W and Nvidia MX130 can draw over 60W combined under full load to achieve their max frequencies!

Good news is E485 has a decent cooling system and can dissipate much more than 25W. Setting the TDP to 34W gives the following results:

This is whopping 10%+ increase in performance for both CPU and GPU! Not only that, this is totally stable and can be used 24/7 without overheating at room temp of 20c.
This is STILL below the nominated frequencies of the APU!
The GPU here only runs at about 1200Mhz instead of 1300!
The CPU achieves 3.3-3.4ghz instead of 3.8!

Unfortunately, in order to fully unlock the power of the chip, we need to improve the cooling by about 10-15%. The GPU can reach 3400-3500pts in FireStrike GPU, while the CPU can break 10000 in physics!

Just a glimpse at what's to come as we are working to improve the cooling:




So far it seems that the sweet spot for rendering/gaming/benching is around 34-35W to make sure you are getting 90% out of the designed performance and staying below 80C under full load!

To be continued...

 

How are you improving cooling? Have you repasted and such? Any luck on undervolting the CPU/GPU? Also about your screen, did you measure the 100% sRGB or is that the spec? I looked but didn't see anything with quite that color gamut. I'm pondering just picking up a cheap A485 with a 2500u (slower gpu) mainly because I really haven't gamed on my laptop in a long time.

 

Yes, I have repasted with an old tube of GC Extreme. Not the best paste out there but does help for sure. To improve further without a heatsink redesign, I'm getting a Pyrolytic Graphite sheet with very high heat transfer rate - 4x better than copper, and will put it on top of the pipes, to help passively dissipate another couple of watts. Might even get a spare bottom cage and mod it by trimming some plastic to free room for additional copper and graphite shims and pads. Not expecting huge gains, but up to 5W is possible theretically. I can contain the beast at 37W already, and it requires 41-42W to get the full power out of it. Doable!
Yes, you can undervolt it easily. At stock clocks, you don't even need it as the temps never go above 70-75C. My most balanced performance setting right now is 33W with a slight undervolt (using VRMMAX value of about 55k, I will explain how to use RyzenAdj app later). This achieves 3300pts in GPU FireStrike, 9000pts in Physics and you can game for the whole day never breaking 80C at room temp of 20C

About the screen, check this review, as it's the same model. Notebookcheck have about 5 reviews of different models using this panel and all of them come very close 100% sRGB. I don't have the hardware to measure it at home.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ZenBook-UX3410UA-Notebook-Review.192282.0.html

2500u will give you a comparable CPU performance, due to the lower TDP requirement for the GPU part (Vega 8 only runs @1100 vs Vega 10 which runs @1300). But the GPU performance will be 10-15% lower. Before you grab a A485, however, please check some teardown videos, just to make sure the heatsink has two pipes. On our Discord Server we have some people with Ryzen laptops using a single pipe heatsink and their temps are out of control. So far, the consensus is, Lenovo E485 has the best cooling out of them all (compared to other Lenovo laptops, HP, Acer, Matebook, etc).

 

Good call on the heatpipes on the A485, looks like just the one. I guess I'll skip it and keep the X1E, lol.

 

With regards to the cooling mod, I've ordered a batch of supplies including PSG - Pyrolytic Graphite Sheets and Versarien Foam heatsinks of various sizes. Should be getting them in a few days and, if my calculations are correct, they should all fit inside without the need to trim anything at all! This is getting really exciting!
Also, tried running my steam games (about 45-50 titles) and they all run on high to max details just fine! Now, I don't own any of the really demanding ones like Crysis 3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate or Rise of the Tomb Rider, but it's really impressive to have so much power and flexibility to run from 400mhz to 3.8Ghz x 8 in a relatively light and very cheap package! Essentially, you can refer to notebookcheck's review of i7-8x50u + Nvidia MX130 to get an idea of the average performance of this APU.Here's the link to one such review - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-...-8565U-MX150-Convertible-Review.372576.0.html
If you scroll down to stress testing, check the screenshots and you will see the CPU alone hitting 47W power draw under load. That 15W TDP is only good on paper and doesn't represent the maximum load. The GPU is also breaching beyong its rated 25W TDP under load. That is a combined load of 75W+. No wonder, most of these system throttle down due to overheating.

Stay tuned for more...

 

Another teaser! @36W combined

 

What sort of normal temps do you get under 'light' load (web browsing, office/spreadsheeting etc)?

I'm looking at getting something to run at work - I have two Intel 6200U based laptops (Lenovo Yoga X1 and a Fujitsu E series) and performance is fairly meh. I want to run at least one VM on this so the ability to load it up with RAM is quite attractive. It's also very reasonably priced here in Australia at about 799AUD for the 2500U 8gb model.

Also, I'm hoping to drive two monitors with this - a 34" and 27" (3440x1440 and 2560x1440 respectively). I had thought this could be achieved with the HDMI port and a USB 3.1/HDMI dongle. I'm hoping the dongle won't be limited to 30hz or something silly...

Obviously I could spring for a X1 Extreme, but optioned up those things get close to 3 grand, and my computer fund this year has already been hit pretty hard!

Thank you for your interesting thread btw. Not a whole heap of info on the net on the E485's...

 

This thing can do all of the above and more. Many people don't realize how much power is packed into this box. 2500u is totally adequate. It can drive a 4k external monitor. Not sure about 2 as I only have one to test. As for normal temps - mid 40s to low 60s is probably what you can expect without repasting. After repasting, high 30s to low 50s is what I get at room 20C. Full load @22W sustained (rendering or gaming) - 70C is the max I've ever seen. Unlocked TDP to 35W - 80C tops. I can run 15-20 VMs without a hiccup or overheating, but mine's got 32GB RAM. When looking at performance in general, you can compare this machine to any of the i7-8x50u + Nvidia MX150 combos out there. Hope this helps.

 

I picked up a cheap A485 with the 2500u. I'll see what it's like and if it can get the job done.

 

Sweet! I'm really curious now. Make sure to get this app for adjusting the TDP and Voltage - https://github.com/FlyGoat/RyzenAdj

 

Thanks, appreciate your reply.

Any idea when these will get refreshed? I was under the impression that the new 3xxx mobile series would have been released by now..