ThinkPad T60 Screen is Amazing

I didn't talked about S-IPS when I named Boe-Hidiys and as I mentioned before there are nearly no notebook panels with other than 6-bit color depth interfaces.

What I meant instead is, that many panel manufactors do come out with their own acronyms for specific on the IPS technology based panel technologies. Boe-Hidys uses here the term FFS/AFFS...

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_03.asp

and some of their notebook panels do use this panel technology:

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/03_prod...otebook&openBox=2&subBox=null&openSubBox=null

http://www.boehydis.com/eng/03_prod...otebook&openBox=2&subBox=null&openSubBox=null

 

That's right. Like you said, FFS is an enhancement to regular IPS, although not as big as S-IPS. If you look at the Tabook, Lenovo actually denotes the X41 Tablet screen as Super-Wide-Angle FFS screen, using BOE's own terminology. But not so with the T60p, for example.

 

@jl123

Sorry, I didn't found entries for a measured "Fujitsu 6240" with a 13.3" CrystalView TFT-panel inside the database, maybe it's a too new model or not this popular in germany. Instead I just found a bunch of Fujitsu consumer notebook entries (...those Amilos) and some other Lifebook E8020/P1050/P7010/S7020 entries.

However, most of the bigger business FUS Lifebooks with 14"/15" TFTs don't have this bright TFTs assembled, all in all they offer nearly the same as HP, Toshiba or some IBM/Lenovo business notebooks do.

Further most business segment notebooks have somehow dimmed down screens in favor of longer lasting battery runtimes. Personally I don't believe that the Fujitsu will have real 300 nits at all, maybe more realistic something around +/-200 cd/m². - Among the 13,3" TFTs I once saw a really bright Sharp panel, which was very good.

All in all the brightest/most luminant screens I've seen so far were in specific Sony A-/S- series models, some Toshiba Qosmios and a Panasonic Toughbook.


Here are some of those Amilo datas in case you might be interested in these:

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1451G (GER-159500-001), 15,4" 1280 x 800 Pixel (WXGA), CrystalView:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 145,90 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 148,80 cd/m²

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A1630 (GER-141200-012), 15,4" WXGA 1280 x 800 Pixel:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 169,60 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 169,70 cd/m²

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A1667G, 15,4" 1280 x 800 Pixel (WXGA), CrystalView:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 138,20 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 145,40 cd/m²

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1437G, 15,4" WXGA 1280 x 800 Pixel:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 141,50 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 147,30 cd/m²

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M1439G, 15,4" 1280 x 800 Pixel (WXGA), CrystalView:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 169,60 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 172,60 cd/m²

Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M7405, 15" XGA:
- Average max. luminance on ac power: 167,70 cd/m²
- Average max. luminance on battery power: 75,70 cd/m²

 

For those who may be interested in it...

...some additionally clear taken T60 vs T43 images can be found at the Korean Nottes site. Just scroll down the referenced page to look over them. In order to see some of the images in a slightly bigger size, click on the [o ooo oo] under images which have these [o ooo oo] entries.

 

Can someone translate that Korean review?

 

http://world.altavista.com/

 

VKYR Thanks for the help. I'm still not cetain that the new 'Ultralight" will be too bright 20% more than 150 nits is only 180nits.


Abaxster,

What do you think of these numbers for Fujitsus some with crystal view screens?
Do you think they exaggerare their 300 nit claims?

 

cft....
pat...pat...
but the GPU and TFT of z60m are good.

 

@jl123

Here are some independent measured values for some so far highest measured notebook luminance values, just in order to give you an idea of how bright some of the brightest notebook screens (mostly all 15" or 17" notebooks) would be:

- Sony VGN-A117S = 320 cd/m2
- Sony VGN-A497XP = 340 cd/m²
- Sony VGN-FS195XP = 425 cd/m²
- Toshiba Qosmio E10 = 592 cd/m2
- Toshiba Qosmio G10 = 327 cd/m2
- Toshiba Qosmio G20 = 353 cd/m2

However note, even all of the above mentioned notebooks have very bright and partly good screens, they all suffer from poor battery runtimes (in the range of just 1:35 ... 2:45 hours from worse to best of them). This is due to the fact, that very bright TFT-panels do consume much battery power.

In contrast here the best and most luminant Thinkpad screen so far measured, is the one from the Z60m Thinkpad with the 15,4" MaxBright TFT-panel, which had 242 cd/m². The Thinkpad Z60m (the MaxBright version) interestingly reached the best battery runtimes so far (the longest), there have been measured 6:01 hours for it, which is the best result so far among all the measured notebook battery runtimes.

Finally let me say, related to notebooks in general, that just a good and very luminant included TFT-panel doesn't make up an overall good notebook. There are much more aspects and factors which do play an important role here, in order to give a valuable and high quality notebook.


Related to the X60s 'Ultralight" TFT-panel, those 180 nits are advertised by Lenovo and we will have to wait and see how much it will finally be. Personally I doubt they will have full 180 nits and suppose they will have instead maybe around ~150 nits. Remember most Thinkpad screens are advertised with much higher theoretical luminance values as they often in reality have, the same applies here to other notebook vendors too.

 

@jl123

I looked for the Fujitsu S6240 you mentioned, even I didn't have screen luminance values for this one handy, I found some screen images of it at Nottes, see and click here: Nottes Fujitsu LifeBook S6240_S7021

Looks to me as the 13,3" "Super Fine View LCD" of the S6240 is brighter and also offers more vibrant colors than the 14,1" LCD of the S7021, but both seem to do suffer somehow from vertical viewing angles.

However, both have glare TFTs and do glare a lot...



(Fujitsu Lifebook S7021 vs. Sony Vaio B55L)

The rest looks Ok for the S6240 as an still compact usual business notebook, though I can't say anything about it's overall build quality etc., since I don't know this model.

 

VKYR,

The Fujitsus are on this site itself take a look:

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2524

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2194&review=Fujitsu+S6231

I think they have the best screens of all at 13 in size.

 

Hi vkyr,

Very interesting datas, is it something I can look up in the Internet? Or do I have do bother you for specific information

Actually I have been planning to get me a HP nw8240 with WSXGA+, but I'm not sure about the screen, especially after seeing this thread.

As a workstation model, there isn't much experience on the nw8240 shared in the Internet, those few reviews/threads seem to say "the screen is ok, but some units may even be a dull". Plus I might be more nitpicking about the viewing angle then in the usual reviews, as color is very important for my graphics works.

So long story short, do you (or anybody else) have any data on the nw8240 WSXGA+ screen. Comparison shots like those Shrek ones would be perfect.

Thanks in advance!

 

@All

Well, I believe we sure spoiled this "first at all Thinkpad related" thread with now more and more other general TFT-panel entries. - Maybe a different only panel related thread or section would be a better place for general notebook related TFT-panel questions.

My interests are first of all also Thinkpad related, meaning I don't care this much about other notebooks, even I from time to time also take a look at other notebooks.

@katamari

Usually you can also find such measured datas from notebook tests on the internet, if you know where you have to look after it. - At least in germany you can find some articles and postings from testmagazines or the like related to this theme, since there most sources tend to control and measure what the notebook vendors claim.

Regarding the HP I can tell you for the nx8220, which should be available with equally TFT-panels.

The nx8220 offers very good battery runtimes for a PCIe-Laptop, it is usually offered with different displays, like a 1280*800 : 98dpi WXGA which has 128cd/m² or an 1680*1050 : 129dpi WSXGA+ which has 121 cd/m². There are also models with WUXGA panels.

However, the model with the WSXGA+ panel is overall better in contrasts, colors and viewing angels than the slightly brighter model with the WXGA panel. For the WUXGA model I don't have datas.

In contrast here a HP Compaq NX9105 DU429EA with 15,4" WXGA panel has max. ~165 cd/m² and a HP Compaq NX6110 with a 15" XGA panel 137 cd/m².

 

Well, it's difficult to say from just pictures at all and amateur images like those in the above threads in general. So it's of course always a better idea to check and see TFT-panels live in reality for judging.

One of the best 13,3" TFT-panel I've seen so far is the one from the Sharp M4000 WideNote, which is hard to beat.

 

VKYR,
I recently saw both the sharp 4000 and the Fujitsu 6240 side by side, and I must say, that while the sharp looked glosser the Fujitsu looked about 15-20% brighter.
I saw them at J&R music worls in NYC.JL

 

@jl123

It's always important to carefully take a live view on notebooks and also to do some tryouts before deciding which one to take, since their are always individual factors which play a certain role in a notebook decision.

So if you did the above and do feel comfortable and very pleased with that Lifebook (... if it has a good build quality, nice screen, usable keyboard and so on...) in contrast to other notebooks, then you should probably take that one.

 

VKYR,
Unfortunately the build quality on that Fujitsu looked/felt quite poor. So I still sit waiting for another idea. JL

 

I just found out from an IBM rep that the Ultra-Light screen option on the X60s will be from Toshiba. And also that the commerical tradmark name for it is "Ultra-Low"- what-ever that means? Of course he could be wrong. But if he is right, I wonder just what screen this could be? Maybe something propritary, built just for Lenovo? I'm not aware of any 12.1 XGA toshiba screens with any sort of high quality at all. Certainly not their Portege models? JL

 

It's possibly a screen from "Toshiba Matsu****a Display Technology" ( TMD) and the usual term "Ultra-Low" might be in reference to low weight and power consumption. However, there are just a few panels publicly posted on Toshibas TAEC site, which aren't much spectacular at all.