ThinkPad X1

I just hope I can afford one. Or rather, that my company can afford one for me.

 

Where did you find this? Because if that's true then it's a total deal-breaker for me.

 

Why are you guys claiming it doesn't have any battery life, when the document leaked to Engadget says it has 3x the battery life of comparable laptops?

On the negative side, there's no way this (beautiful) thing has the mil-spec durability of the X-220, and seeing as it has the same resolution as the X-220, it appears to be "form over function" (unless, of course, it comes in at 2.9 pounds with 12 hours of battery life, or something like that).

 

probably will never see it gets released, just like lenovo u1 hydrid and others.

 

First page, translated as " Rapid Charge Battery, 38.4 Wh"

It says the battery lifetime is 3x their current batteries, not 3x the battery life. Meaning it will last 1000 charge cycles versus 300 that current batteries do. The battery life is still going to be similar to other laptops (or lower as I had pointed out, it being 38.4 Wh of capacity versus the Air's 50 Wh).

Well that doesn't necessarily mean the battery life will be worse, the "17 watts" refers to the maximum heat dissipation generated by the processor. Maybe at full throttle it will have higher power draw, but Intel has made it so that they have a pretty close idle power draw. It's one reason the quad core processors in this generation finally gets battery life almost at par to the dual core processors (look up the battery life of the new quad i7 Macbook Pros over the dual core i7 Macbook Pros, usually it's just a fall of minutes of battery life, even though the quad's have a precipitously higher TDP than the duals).

So I would expect the actual power draw between the Air and the X1 to be close, but the battery capacity would be the more important factor.

 

Argh.... soo tempting

 

I'm sorry I just don't see it.

1) can't swap the battery out
2) the Res is the same as x220 but on13.3 lid. the x300/301 its 1400/900. why go backwards?
even then on the x300/301s everyone was ing that it should have had 1600 etc and. their right.
3)no CD/DVD. guess you could take that or leave it but they were able to fit it on the x300
4)gorrla glass isn't the end all be all folkes and I have no idea why the put it here. its diffently blinding outside same like a true screen like from HP.

however if you want a laptop that you can take your apple fan boys house you will fit right in. you can even brag about not being able to swap out the battery!!.

now I'm just going to shut up since I have tried my best to show this laptop makes no sense. Even on 2 year old charging and battery tech my X300 with a 6cell goes from 0 to 80% within 40 mins.

good day
ym

 

I think it may probably be a good idea for people to dial down their expectationometers. At the moment, Lenovo can't even ship X220 tablet with an outdoor Gorilla screen, let alone a new X1 or an X slate.

 

I wonder how the heat from the CPU will get dissipated? It's either through passive dissipation through the chassis (which would therefore get unpleasantly warm) and/or a very thin fan spinning fast. I recently bought a Toshiba R700 which is about 25mm / 1" thick where the fan is and, while the fan noise is acceptable when the CPU is under light load, the fan is somewhat intrusive when the CPU load increases.

John

 

I wonder - why the constant comparison to X300/x301? This machine seems to be targeted at a very different audience than the former x300 series. X300 was an "ultraportable", but still a true business solution with major Thinkpad features, like a docking station port. This one seems to be of an "elegance" series, for executives wanting sleek design with power inside, and not a really versatile machine.

That said, I doubt it could be any sort of contender for X220 (or a former X300) - it's just a different machine. Very nice indeed, but different.

Whereas I wouldn't consider it myself, I can see many people highly interested in this device.


M.

 

You can be right. But if they are so disparate, why Lenovo discontinued the X30x series?
I wanted badly x301 but the official local price was ridiculous (c.a. ~$4000).

 

I guess because they decided to somehow "merge" the X200 and X300 lines. Time will tell whether it was a wise move.

X300 was less than half inch wider (12.4 inches vs 12 inches) than the current X220 with 12,5" screen.

The 12,5" 16:9 panel is basically a 13,3" 16:10 panel with a little height cut from it, width being virtually identical.

Perhaps they decided X300 successor will be too close between X220 and T420s in terms of dimensions and overall design to be profitable?


M.

 

the X30* had only a USB port replicator...

X1 is probably more of a marketing device to establish "Thinkpad" as a premium brand, not an actually useful computer. There are better workhorses in the Lenovo line, and it was the same when the X300 was released.

Not that there is something wrong with that, BTW.

 

Wasn't ThinkPad always considered as a premium brand? I am not exactly fond of Lenovo mixing up the lines, putting chiclet keyboards and glossy screens into performance ThinkPad series instead of Edge ones... but hey, they must have their reasons. As long as there is at least one ThinkPad fitting my needs well, I'm fine with that

 

>>It says the battery lifetime is 3x their current batteries, not 3x the battery life.<<

jaakobi:

Great catch... Thanks! (I feel much better about the X220 I have on order!)

 

Sounds reasonable. I'm sure they know in Lenovo what they do anyway - and now I'm looking for an X Slate with Windows 8!

:laugh:

 

Different people have different needs.
To me, if the X1 has a full speed intel processor, SSD drive, IPS screen and no other hidden catches then it will serve my needs. The x220 will also serve my needs, so it will come down to price.

 

I won't buy a Window tablet until Microsoft release window 8. The menu and other GUI element will be tweak to work much better for a touch device.

 

I think you want the X1 Slate thread.

 

Me neither. A convertible like the X201/X220 is the only practical way to use Windows 7 in touch - but as the poster above said, the X1 slate is not being discussed here (and besides, it's Honeycomb from what I've read).

 

That is a mega-bummer. I hope it's wrong

 

This will have some kind of battery slice to give it up to 10 hours of battery life. I wonder how much thicker this slice will make this ultra-slim notebook? Otherwise we are looking at a 5 hours battery life?

IMO the bare minimum battery life that this needs to have is 7hours.

Also, I tried to size up this to the X30x and it looks as if it is going to be wider! . Lenovo better have a 1600x900 option!

Dimensions Comparison:

231 mm x 337 mm x 16.5 to 21.5 mm (Thinkpad X1)

231 mm x 318 mm x 18.6 to 23.4 mm (Thinkpad X300)

 

Will this have a soldered/built-in non removable SSD like the Macbook air? Has to have because no HDD/SSD would fit in this? Am I correct?

Keep updating the thread with more details?

 

The Macbook Air is thinner than the X1 to the point of being impractical, that extra few mm will make all the difference in the X1. I can see them trying to stick in a intel 7mm SSD that isnt soldered in. Lenovo also aren't complete !@#$! like apple.

 

Nope, looking at the pictures, there is absolutely NO WAY that they can fit a 7.mm drive into that bad boy. Also, part of the design I'm sure will be made so it's more difficult to change RAM, HDD etc. That starts off with a non-removable battery.... This laptop is going to be designed to look sleek, minimalistic etc. My bet is that the RAM, HDD will be soldered onto the motherboard like the air.

I just can't imagine having that much work space on this laptop. Very unlikely.

 

Some more detailed info on this alleged machine. If this is really true then most likely this will be my next machine. I desperately want a good 13" laptop - preferably a ThinkPad.

 

The RAM should at least be upgradable, it is not soldered on in the samsung 9 series ( as seen there, so with the thinkpad tradition, I just don't see it happening) and as for the hdd, I would bet on an upgadable msata ssd.

 

Actually, it might be possible to replace the hard drive as it seems that they are using the mSata interface (SSD via mini PCI slot). Makes sense because this is lenovo and not Apple.

EDIT: On that note, I think replacing the ram should be easy as I believe once this device is released, they will most likely offer a 4GB option. Perhaps not CRU, but shouldn't be too difficult.

For your reference on more details, use this link:
Thinkpad X1

 

Considering all of the leaked specs say 160GB SSD, I'm all ears if this turns out to be mSATA.

That battery looks technical user replaceable to me.

 

Looking at the pictures over at Anandtech it looks like this will be a Lenovo Edge branded notebook and not a part of the ThinkPad Premium / Business series? Looking at the keyboard you can clearly see that they have gone for the chiclet styled keyboard instead of the sturdy more common thinkpad one.

This make me question if this will have sturdy thinkpad housing at all? And from the pictures if might look like a glossy screen?

 

I think it is only slightly glossy because of the Gorilla Glass.

 

If you read the reviews (from Die-hard ThinkPad users) the Edge series Chiclet keyboard is the best keyboard many have ever used on any laptop. Just Google "Lenovo Edge Keyboard" and skim through some of the results. Here is one from Cnet:

Our favorite laptop keyboards: Lenovo ThinkPad Edge / x100e - The best (and worst) laptop keyboards - CNET Reviews

This may be the future of the ThinkPad keyboards as according to reviewers, they have kept (and even improved) the ThinkPad feel while making the keyboard capable of fitting in even slimmer latops.

Plus, the keyboard appears backlit as I don't think there is a place for the ThinkLight on the new X1.

 

Any chance of the display being awesome, or Lenovo offering an IPS option?

 

One additional question I have is whether the X1 could run dual displays. On my X301, I have one display tied to the DisplayPort and the other to the VGA port allowing 2 decent sized monitors. Not sure if the X1 will have the same type of capability (so far only see one "hybrid" display port mentioned).

This for me is a dealmaker/breaker as I need 2 displays when at my desk and I'm not sure if a docking station will be available.

 

The Edge like keyboards are actually quite nice. Its exactly what you expect from a Thinkpad keyboard until you look down at them. Good feel, keycaps hug fingertips.

Gorilla Glass is glossy. I have to wonder why they chose to go with this option. Maybe to keep the screen durable at the level of thinness they are trying to get?

 

Thought I'd share this Ad campaign lenovo is launching for the summer. Looks like the X1 will be a tough machine

 

Waw! This is something to write home about!
:wink:

 

Yea, you probably need that high nit screen for Baja.

 

"for those who do" hehe i like that... as opposed to those who spend their entire day at starbucks.....

 

Heh heh heh.

The only concern would be Air-heads being able to counter 'Yeah, as long as you only Do for ~4 hours'.

True, you only get <5 hours on an Air in Windows as well, but that's because no Boot Camped Mac is a 'real' PC anyway due to driver and other issues - and you can get far more in OS X. That battery could be an issue.

 

While it's true that OS X offers good power management on Apple hardware, a machine with Windows installed via Bootcamp absolutely *does* have full driver support. Apple provides drivers for all included hardware as part of the Bootcamp image.

 

Oh it does. It's just that they appear to deliberately cripple it, since 4.5 hours out of a 6500mah battery is ridiculous, even for a two-gen-old CPU + 320M (and that discrepancy is not limited to that particular model, but across the entire range). There's also the fact that the only non-external-device-related BSOD's I've ever seen in Windows 7 are on Boot Camped Macs.

Anyhoo, this is all incidental talk. It just doesn't appear that if the wh rating of the X1 battery is as reported before, even with the best power saving optimisation possible in the drivers, you'll even match the non-optimised Air.

 

When is the X1 getting released? Found some comparison pics

 

While they do have full driver support, they are not optimized in Window. It is understandable to for OSX to have a better run-time than Window 7 so they could persuade the buyer to use OSX as their primary OS.

After looking at the chart made by PCWorld with it's competitor X1 does not look well in the battery life department. I hope they are going to use CULV Cpu with a large battery. I doubt that anyone would need a lot of power if they are looking for a machine like the X1. The price and screen resolution (but slightly better picture quality) is also not very competitive. The only it has it going for it is the IPS screen, the better processor, and the build quality; which I must admit is pretty temping by combination (however You could get that with the x220 which is cheaper, slightly thicker, and a very good battery life) .
http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/575344-thinkpad-x1.html

Guess we will have to wait and see Lenovo's final spec and pricing. I hope they improve on what they are offering right now. Otherwise they might just be producing another good product (note: not great) that nobody can afford.

 

Are you talking about the X1? Does it have an IPS screen?

 

I believe so, but the resolution would be the same as X220 which is HD.

 

OK, let Lenovo introduce the new flamboyant ThinPad series,
and let live the ThinkPads their own 'chic-less' life!
:wink:

 

New real machine photos were added.

Also the machine has a base price of $1400, only memory, HDD/SSD and wireless module are configurable. The machine has only one memory slot.

 

Thanks for the new pics. Display looks at least semi-matt. Backlit keyboard is a real plus. Notebook looks really thin when closed. Any idea on a real weight? I've seen from 2.8 to 3.8 lbs. Can something this thin relaly be as heavy as my 3820TG with dual fan/Dedicated GPU? Has to be >3 lbs, wouldn't you think?

At $1,399 base price, this looks tempting. Battery life is a real questionmark.

Bronsky

 

The new pic really look delicious, I am tempting to dump my saving into this baby.