ThinkPad X240s

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Hardware Maintenance Manual http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x240s_hm_en_0c11160.pdf

User Manual http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/x240s_ug_en.pdf

 

Nice finds!

But what TH are we suppsosed to do with 1366x768 resolution on a 12" in 2013? Hello? Lenovo? Anybody home?

 

Using 1080p on 13" for years I must admit - HD resolution on 12" x220 is OK.
HD+ would work for me too and be in comfort zone but only because of FHD on my current lap.
Most people will be more comfortable with HD on 12".

FHD or anything higher is not needed there. Unless we talking about 200% scale with IGZO panel

This is type of laptop that you certainly use in docked mode most of the time when working.

 

For many practical purposes this is still a good resolution, 2013 or 2015 or 2018. About the same 125ppi pixel density as 1400x1050/1600x900 at 14.1" or 1600x1200 at 15.4", which is/was considered by many as the sweet spot resolution.

Especially when running desktop (non-Metro) applications on Windows.

 

The X240 line is also supposedly coming, perhaps it will have higher resolutions since it will be the flagship X series.

 

Unless you're running iOS or Android, then 1366x768 is a comfortable resolution at this screen size. I'd prefer 1280x800 for a little more vertical, but that's not an option.

 

1366x768 is ok for an average joe but it's unacceptable for me (IT sector). Pretty much everything I do requires a higher res....

 

I can understand that. Personally, I don't want a higher resolution on my x220, but I certainly can appreciate more options.

 

Yeah, but consider how much our users would complain, even with 1366x768 on a 12"? Hell, I get complaints about text size with 1366x768 on 14".

 

Definitely, they always do, lol. Still, a higher res screen must at least be an option on business class machines. They don't have any issues equipping the Helix with 11" 1080p. Same goes for Surface Pro and a bunch of other devices. The reason behind the lack of 12.5" and 14" FHD panels is very simple - lack of initiative $$$ from vendors like Lenovo, Dell, HP. These are non-standard res and mostly exist within a small niche of the business sector. 13" consumer grade laptops have had FHD screens for years. And now, when ultra high res is becoming more and more common (retina, chrombook), and IGP is more powerful, business sector has no choice. Dell recently announced 1080p IPS options for the upcoming 12.5" and 14" Latitudes. T440 is also getting a FHD IPS. Hopefully the x240 will follow, even though it would take more than a 1080p panel to convince me to get back to thinkpads. Soldered components and BIOS whitelisting is a pretty bad trend, now add inadequate cooling, crippled trackpoint and lack of 3 year NBD Onsite support (included with the base price like with Dells and HPs) and you get a pretty unimpressive picture.

 

Besides the touchscreen and Haswell(?), are there any differences between this and the x231s? Specs? Dimensions?

 

While I agree for my own selfish reasons, I really don't think it's the case. I'm glad they're bringing back the 'p' models, and love packing more power into smaller and thinner chassis. But I think the stagnation of Dell, Lenovo, and HP in the business space is evidence to the fact that when it comes down to it, we really don't care for change. We don't want to replace our projectors or worry about adapters, and we most definitely don't want to worry about user (re)education. I just want new laptops that fit my existing infrastructure as easily as possible, with minimal disruption. Sure, I hate clickpads and the new trackpoint buttons, but it's me having to listen to users griping that gets me mad about them.

I really believe Lenovo is screwing up with all this S, L, and Edge series garbage. Not because they're diluting the brand, but because it's unnecessary for business class. Even the 'p' models really aren't necessary. Make W proper workstations, T mainstream, and X roadwarrior and exec candy. Get rid of the T400s, and just make it an X400. Bring back the R series for budget kit, or leave it as L, cut the price, and get rid of the Edge. Their biggest problem right now is that they're trying to do too much, and don't seem to have any unified vision behind it. No no, that's not it. Well it is for geek me, but more so, it's just more crap I know I don't want, but I have to include in my analysis every couple years.

 

^Lenovo tried to cater all segments including smal & medium business, of course by sacrificing the premium brand. It's a bane for long time diehard fans (not bruce willis), but a bless for whom have tight budgets.

 

IBM did too, with the R series. Lenovo has just gone crazy, fragmenting their product structures where you can't count on anything in the next generation. Not that HP, Dell, and Fujitsu haven't done the same to varying degrees.

 

OK, Lenovo published X240s service videos ThinkPad X230s/X240s Service Training RTPW1160 v.0712a

 

From service videos it appears that:
* there are both HD and FHD screen options, IPS, touch/non-touch
* there are PCIe and single-sided M.2 slots, both capable for WWAN and SSD cards, M.2 SSD mentioned only for caching so I assume it does not support boot option -- after all, up to 3 disk drives could be installed simultaneously if you don't care about WWAN: 2.5", mSATA, M.2
* memory is 8Gb max, presumably, single channel

 

Important notice for X220/X230 owners willing to upgrade their screens from HD up to FHD -- that's impossible due to LCD panel interface change from LVDS to eDP.

 

13 inch display? is that true or typo (because of rounding)?

 

I have an IBM thinkpad L series from 1999, which was discontinued soon afterwards.

Interestingly it became dead within a week, was sent back to IBM and was repaired within a week. Today it is still in working condition.

 

I can live with either 768p or even 1080p displays, but that 6 hour battery life is just disappointing. Around the same runtime as the Y410p, no ultrabay battery available and possibly no slice. Knowing Lenovo it will be more like 3-4 hours anyway.

 

I'm pretty sure you could still upgrade. Use a converter maybe or just wait till a LVDS version appears.

 

Pictures 1, 2, and 3 shows 3 completely different screen sizes. 13", 12", and 12.5"... so which one is it actually? (would love it if screen size got bumped to 13".

But starting with the T431s, it appears Lenovo's battery estimates is getting better.

 

My bet is on 12.5"

 

Yeah, it's probably a 12.5" screen, and the rough rounding puts it at 13". Good to see a wide range of screen options, finally including FHD!

 

2 batteries, 6 hour battery life, 4400 series graphics.

 

maybe is something like all the upcoming thinkpad. 13 inch screen with 12.5 size. means. its a thin bezel.
all we can do now is only maybe, probably, i hope. hahaha. lets just wait for the official announcement.

 

What do you guys think the price of an X240s (or X240, simply a Haswell version of X230) would be compared to an X230? The basic X230 costs just around $800 USD right now. With all things being equal, how much do you think an entry level X240 / X240s would cost at its initial release?

I'm contemplating on whether to get the X230 now or X240/s upon its release. It basically comes down whether the higher cost of the X240/s relative to the X230 can justify for its longer battery life.

 

It's really hard to say at this moment in time. With the X220 and X230, those more closely followed what the X series has traditionally been and when they were released, they had some pretty good coupons. The X240s is farther afield from that idea, which makes the pricing estimates less certain. I'm sure Lenovo is mindful of the fact if they make them too expensive in this day and age, no one will buy them.

I would be very surprised if Lenovo didn't offer some sort of slice battery to extend battery life, though it will add cost and weight.

I was kind of hoping for a HD+ IPS option, though I've no plans to upgrade from my X220i any time soon. If the FHD IPS LCD will finally get all the whiners to stop complaining about the lack of a FHD option, I'm all for it.

 

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I wish lenovo would spend a little bit more in the and get proper calibration for models with IPS screens before they're shipped like apple does.

Still not entirely sure whether I like the overall look of the 2013 thinkpad makeover.

 

Wish they would have upped the screen res. I don't think I'll be getting a 240s

 

the service video says there is a FHD IPS option.

 

X240s product page on Lenovo Japan site: ThinkPad X240s

Closer look:
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-front-1.jpg
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http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-front-win8-fnc-keys-5.jpg
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http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-side-back-8.jpg
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http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-back-zoom-11.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-side-12.jpg
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From here:

後日販売開始予定 = Sales scheduled to start at a later date

 

Looks like a much larger touchpad than the X230. Hopefully it's a little easier to use than the last one.

 

Everything is OK with this laptop except for one key absent: Insert
unfortunately this is one of the mostly used key for me cltr+insert, shift+insert
so for one reason will have to skip this one. crazy decision on lenovo end...

 

the insert key is the same as the end key.

 

The keyboard seems slightly different. The Enter key looks smaller than before though in real life that might not be the case.

I never used those buttons on the top too much so their removal isn't a big deal. Not sure if many people used them. The removal of the HD indicator light on the LCD panel is a bit mysterious. It seems Lenovo is going for the "clean and neat." The exterior looks a bit like the Thinkpad Edge series, though I might be mistaken.

 

So if I switch to always use F keys by default (which I assume switchable somewhere in bios or driver) the Insert will be a default action on that key?

 

Not likely. That's for function keys, not for blanket fn modifiers.

 

If I remember correctly, with the X230 there were some great, but brief, initial coupons that got it close to the end of life X220 prices. You had to jump on it fast, though. That has been far from typical, so we'll see if they do it again.

 

i can't imagine 12,5 inch with FULL HD resolution.

 

Why no? The 11.6" Sony Vaio Pro 11 has a Full HD Screen.

 

And the Surface Pro has a 10.6" FHD display. I think it's perfectly usable. It's about time more ~12.5" ultraportables had higher resolution screen options.

 

Yep, FHD should be a must. There are 1800p 13" screens out there.

 

I'm happy with 1366x768 IPS screen on my 12.5" X220.

Higher color gamut I can understand, but why higher rez on a small screen??? Seems a stretch to me.

Pun intended.

OTOH if it didn't cost any more, then what the heck!

 

I've used a FHD Vaio Z for a short period before, and found the high-density screen and the large amount of screen real estate to be very helpful. Fitting two documents side by side, for example, is very important for a lot of the work I do, and that's just not possible at 1366x768. At the same time, it's also highly inconvenient for me to carry my T500 around all day. So, a small 12.5" X-series Thinkpad with a FHD display would be perfect for my usage.

 

I'm also one of those who prefer 1366x768 on a 12 inch screen. I owned an X200 in the past with the 1440x900 high res display but the text from this high PPI display were way too small for my poor eyesight. I keep getting blood-shot eyes after just 1 hr of use and eyesight deteriorated after a few years.

I'm happy that the upcoming X-series will offer a wide range of resolutions and PPIs for everyone to choose from.

As an aside, I wonder if the X240s will be available in the US or only as a China-exclusive product like the X230s was.

 

I'm for HD panel as well: only sharp-sighted people could work long hours with FHD without eye strain, me personally configured 120% scaling on my X220 -- even 100% 1366*768 at those 12.5" are too small for me. And I'm not sharing the overall hype regarding scaling in Win8.1 -- while scaling works more-or-less good for desktop apps, Metro UI is not scalable at all and Win8 Start Screen texts are not readable on my 37" FHD TV from distance of 3m/9ft.

 

Through experience, whatever that means, I have realized that I don't need high resolutions on a laptop. On a desktop monitor, 1080p is necessary to some extent, though 900p is also fine. On smaller screens, especially when used for non-work purposes, higher resolution doesn't necessarily have too many benefits. One thing is that higher resolution screens can often have better quality. For instance, the FHD on the T530 is better than the other screens offered on that laptop. If the other screens were of equal quality, I would likely have gone one notch down, maybe to a 1600x900.

I agree with others here regarding scaling issues. For most cases, scaling works fine. Some graphics on some sites and some fonts can look out of place. The graphics can look blurry rather than sharp.

What is interesting is that the new Samsung Galaxy S4 has a FHD on a 5" screen and it is lovely. I just used one a couple of hours ago and it is super sharp. Everything scales well and looks lovely. The 441ppi on the screen no doubt aids in creating a great quality picture. The text is one of the sharpest I've ever seen on any display. Zoom in and the quality remains absolutely the same, no loss in image quality.

So the focus should rather be on image quality rather than resolution, as long as it's no less than 768p (for a 12.5" laptop). A higher quality display can make text look sharper, making it easier on the eyes. Though one can make a case that higher resolution means more pixels and thus a sharper image. Since scaling, in Windows anyway, doesn't work perfectly, there has to be some sort of compromise.